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  1. Dave L

    Multi-Story Car Park at Ashton Gate

    There will be two stops nearer than the P & R. One is just the other side of the railway tracks behind the Ford garage, as the flyover finishes. The other one is behind the block of flats where the bowling place used to be. From there it's a short walk across Greville Smyth park. This route will open in the Autumn following some last minute tweaks to the infrastructure over the summer. It remains to be seen what impact Metrobus will have on accessing AG by public transport. If they run enough buses at the right time, it could really help those people coming from the centre or the North of the City.
  2. Dave L

    Govt Safe Standing Petition (Merged)

    Yet another example of the conflicting and ludicrous nature of the current arrangements. I have yet to receive a reply to my letter to Tracey Crouch.
  3. Dave L

    AdamB/Beanhead made redundant

    How sad that this important thread has descended into such predictably misogynistic drivel. For RR's benefit, I can confirm that Beanhead has left, though I know nothing about the whys and wherefores.
  4. Dave L

    Govt Safe Standing Petition (Merged)

    I have emailed the minister. This is what I said: Dear Ms Crouch I am writing to you in relation to your recent comments on West Bromwich Albion’s attempts to introduce rail seating at The Hawthorns. For nine years I worked as Supporter Liaison Officer at Bristol City FC, until I stood down in 2016. I am now writing to you in a personal capacity. During that time I worked closely with the club, its supporters, the local Safety Advisory Group, the Police and local politicians to try and deal with some of the complex and often passionately expressed issues that can affect football clubs. One of the issues that provoked the most debate during my time in post was that of persistent standing during matches. In an article in The Daily Telegraph (11th April) you are quoted as saying: “I get as many messages from people asking me to deal with persistent standing as I get from people asking me to introduce safe standing”. That was certainly my experience too. The main problems usually arose at away games where we had sold all our allocated tickets. Elderly and disabled supporters who were unable to stand for 90 minutes would complain about people standing in front of them and blocking their view. Those who insisted on their right to stand were often unsympathetic. If they did try and find an area at the rear of the stand where they could stand without obstructing someone’s view, they would often be told by stewards that they had to remain in their allocated seat. And so the same problems continued, week in and week out. Like it or not, there is a significant minority of supporters who want to stand at football matches, and continue to do so at every football ground in the country, including all-seater stadia where standing is theoretically banned. In a large scale act of civil disobedience, they ignore the rules which ban standing, and stand in areas which were designed to be sat in, and which provide a less-safe environment for those who choose to stand. This not only creates tension amongst supporters whose views are obstructed, but also creates problems for stewards and police officers who have the thankless task of trying to enforce unworkable ground regulations. In the Telegraph article you are quoted as saying “There are regulations to deal with persistent standing. I would like to see them enforced”. Unfortunately, when a hard line approach has been tried, it hasn’t worked. Ejections, banning orders and the threat of the removal of season tickets have all been tried. They may have worked in isolation, with certain individuals, but they clearly haven’t resolved the problem. Persistent standing remains an issue. Confronting it head on has not worked, and will not work in the future. People want to stand at football matches, and however Draconian the methods used to stop them, they will continue to do so. There is one blindingly obvious solution to this problem. Provide an area where those who wish to stand can do so in a safe, controlled environment. Rigidly enforce the rights of those who wish to remain seated in other areas of the ground by not allowing standing in seated areas. Opposition to standing is often emotive. Those of us old enough to remember the Hillsborough disaster will be full aware of the tragedy which unfolded. A few years ago, Bristol City installed some trial rail seating at Ashton Gate, which provoked considerable debate in the footballing and political communities. At that time, I met with Trevor Hicks and Margaret Aspinall from the the Hillsborough Family Support Group. Both lost children in the disaster, and it was impossible not to be moved by the impact this had had on their lives. We were in complete agreement that such a situation should never be allowed to happen again. It was their view that any form of standing would still present an unacceptable risk. While having immense sympathy for their loss, and that of the other relatives, this is not a view shared by myself, or many other people who currently work in football stadia. In my opinion, it would be wrong to allow the sorrow we feel for the needless deaths of 96 people to cloud our objective judgment on what might be the best way forward. The recent inquest into events at Hillsborough found poor stadium design and inadequate policing were at fault, and that supporters were ‘utterly blameless’. The Taylor report led to a necessary overhaul of safety standards at football grounds. The old crumbling terraces have gone, and there can be no going back to those days. But new rail seating has been proved to be safe. At massive stadia in Germany and at Celtic Park in Glasgow, thousands of fans stand in comfort and safety in a segregated, controlled environment. Those who wish to remain seated in other parts of the ground still can. Many of the underlying tensions that previously existed between supporters, stewards and the police have been reduced as a result. The Football Safety Officers Association (not a body, in my experience, who would rush to make rash judgements when it comes to crowd safety) have supported West Bromwich Albion’s application for a trial of rail seating. Next season’s EFL Championship could well include West Bromwich Albion (want to install safe standing but aren’t allowed), Brentford (should have got rid of their terracing by now but have been given an extension because they are building a new ground) and Shrewsbury (planning to install rail seating because they are currently a League One side). The situation is confusing and illogical. Allowing the trialling of rail seating at a major English ground is a pragmatic, safe, logical and obvious step in resolving what continues to be a serious issue at football grounds. I believe it is the only workable solution. I urge you to reconsider your decision.
  5. Dave L

    Govt Safe Standing Petition (Merged)

    I get as many messages from people asking me to deal with persistent standing as I get from people asking me to introduce safe-standing. This was certainly my experience when I worked as SLO. However, the easy way to deal with both of these issues is to give those who wish to stand a safe place to do so, and not to allow it in areas put aside for seating. The argument against safe standing is an emotive one, and doesn't in any way take into account the proven safe nature of current rail seating as opposed to the unsafe terraces of yesteryear. The fact that next season's Championship could well include WBA (wanted to install safe standing but weren't allowed to), Brentford (Should have got rid of their terracing by now but have been given an extension because they are building a new ground) and Shrewsbury (installing rail seating as they are currently a League One side), only goes to expose how ludicrous and illogical the current situation is. Not to mention the hugely successful trial at Celtic, which has led to few, if any safety concerns. I have signed the petition, and applaud @Blagdon red's continued efforts to highlight this issue.
  6. Dave L

    3 out of 5

    I think it means we are progressing steadily, but not quite there yet, and that our long term policy of buying and developing younger players means that we're not in the position of other clubs with higher wage budgets who can go out and attempt to buy instant success. It means that for every disappointing draw against Sunderland, Burton or Barnsley, there is an unexpected and brilliant victory at Fulham or at home to Derby or Manchester United. It means that we are one point off the play offs with 7 to play, having finished 17th last season. It means that in one of the most competitive leagues in the world we are more than holding our own, blooding new academy players, getting to the semi finals of the League Cup and pushing for promotion. It means that we will always find something to complain about, because we are football fans, but when we look back on this season - irrespective of where we finish - we will see that the trend is up and not down, and if we continue this gradual progression, who knows what next season, or the one after that, may bring?. Or something like that anyway.
  7. Dave L

    SC&T/FAN/Supporters meeting

    I'm certainly not laughing, but quite relieved! I know from experience that Matt will be in an impossible position in this situation. But having met him, I also know that he will have the best interests of supporters at heart at all times, and will be very clear about the way in which he puts those forward.
  8. Dave L

    SC&T/FAN/Supporters meeting

    I might find you and give you a big hug @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO:-)
  9. Dave L

    RIP - Ken Dodd

    "I never left the house as a kid. My parents were so poor they couldn't afford to buy me clothes. Then, when I was 12, they bought me a top hat so I could look out of the window"
  10. Dave L

    Tired of the Wurzels

    That's taken from The Wurzels website.
  11. Dave L

    Tired of the Wurzels

    I think Drink Up Thy Zider is a great song. It's unique, it's West Country and its ours. It's sad that's it's hardly sung any more. I think one reason for this might be confusion over the lyrics. Although there may be some who relish the prospect of going down the Rovers and doing them over, thats not a lyric I would ever sing, nor the vast majority of City fans I suspect. If everyone could agree on the original, I'd certainly join in. Drink up thy zider, drink up thy zider, For tonight we'll merry be, We'll knock the milkchurns over, and roll 'em in the clover, The corn's half cut, and so be we!
  12. Dave L

    City's old boys Mark Little(2) and Wibraham(18) at Bolton

    Split loyalties maybe?
  13. There will be a metrobus stop behind the new flats on the other side of Greville Smyth park. It's a short walk across the park from there, and that will be very useful for people coming from Whitchurch or the Centre.. But given that it's only a 10 minute walk from the Park and Ride, why would you get the bus, unless your mobility is restricted?
  14. Dave L

    Loïs Diony - Confirmed Loan Agreed

    I would guess at Low iss dee on eee
  15. Dave L

    Loïs Diony - Confirmed Loan Agreed

    Tickets are already bar coded and scanned in. I think the hold up is due to people collecting tickets on the door, and also the need to find out which tables guests are on. I do agree that it would be good to find a more streamlined way of achieving this though, particularly when lots of people arrive at the same time..