Sheltons Army

Superb post Dave And I’d add to your summary ‘Whilst not in the best of personal health’ Let’s not forget this guy had a serious bout of Co-Vid , not quite Cotts serious , but not a million miles away, besides his back issues. For the majority of his time got on with the messy job without a hint of a moan and any irritation came only , when I’d suggest he felt he’d earnt the right , and got the Club into a situation , where he , and his staff , deserved a bit of backing and it didn’t come In fact what he got was digs and criticism from JL and I’d assume Tinnion about King etc etc

BOOM

Watching Stokes for Aldershot the other day , Bobby Gould’s grandson was playing !

I think , with the wrong appointment , the season after was the more dangerous one Gull with the alarm bells There was some immediate need for some stabilising but it was deeper than that looking forward

Personally What are you actually on about ? For me it’s an opinion, and clear opinion, quite simple ,about the job someone did for my Club , something that you always strongly claim is what you are all about ..... The fact that affected me personally because I really enjoyed what I was seeing , ( in terms of health and revamp of the Club, for what I regarded as a crucial period ) maybe makes it personal If so I’m quite happy with that You wanted him binned after 9 months

Yes I do Super and haven’t compared NP to LM at any point or used him in a debate about Manning But , for the reasons I’ve indicated above in my posts , I will continue to challenge some of the unappreciative and complete b****** (IMO) thrown in his direction or at supporters who do appreciate , whilst it’s still garbled.

Yes , Max , good recall Says it all really See , for me , Dicks to the present day he did a job that won’t show on an honours list in terms of a promotion but was as crucial as some of our promotions If we’d slid at that point we would have been bemoaning that for probably the next decade whilst we found a GJ or SC to turn the ship around at that level (We average 8 yrs to get out of L1)

What is quite stunning is that having an opinion about whether he had taken us ‘as far as he can’ is one thing I keep saying it but for some (sadly a fair few) not having the nouse , Recognition or comprehension of all the good things he did do at OUR Club , when we really needed it , is actually quite depressing Then the few who go a step further and hilariously ridicule those who did , and do appreciate , what he did .... is simply embarrassing By the way , keep laughing , because for very good reasons , we always will

No 2021 Dave The ‘Pearson , Fleming Out’ was November 21

We could have put a stop to it all by sacking* him in Nov 21 when he’d Proved , beyond any doubt that he was not up to the role * Caveat , if you are LJ , replace ‘sacking’ , with ‘handing new 4 year contract’

Enough signs that we won’t be any worse than mid table , or even lower mid , next season And that’s an honest answer

Indeed you did , Fleming too A whole 9 months (inclusive of 3 summer months) into his tenure having taken on the complete Cluster**** that this Club was Liam Manning better start getting things together I’d guess then ? Yes , about 9 months , or 5 months or so with the players , and with absolutely Zero context

The ‘I actually liked Nige’ at the start of numerous posts , and in false claims (repeated) by certain posters , are one of the most transparent , false , and hilarious phrases used on here

Some of our born and ‘bread’ ‘super fans’ are certainly pure ‘comedy gold’ Wonder if they’d be laughing so much if we’d fallen into L1 again

Royle and Agostino (Cup game ?) are two others

Yes Fulham rings a bell

Ha ha Get in lad , good finish Him alongside Tommy (The real Tommy) would be pretty tasty !

You probably had a far longer view Lrrr but I saw him in U21 ganevatbthe Gate after he arrived and he showed everything he is now in terms of being a livewire , ability to beat a man , quick feet , and busy busy busy - he probably worked harder than I’ve ever seen for a player in U21 games The only thing absent in that game was his finishing Ge certainly has improved but at the time he looked as if he could have a real X factor once he broke into regular starts Shame

Absolutely

Good , and interesting point that One to keep an eye on

Really Excellent post - Not specifically regarding LM There is always a danger for any process coach that he coaches all decision making ability and footballing in pitch ‘instinct’ out of players or , severely diminishes them - something that most players wouldn’t be over wild with That balance is , as you highlight very important

I did think it slightly strange that in talking about Sat post match he highlighted their first goal and how easy they’d played thro us with two passes He said they had largely been working on the defensive base , and not only did I Not , personally think it needed masses of work or change , but that a large part of the work is not particularly showing as it largely didn’t need to be We weren’t a car crash defensively then and we aren’t now

Totally agree I think most are thinking where are we / what’s it looking like as we step forward , and where are our potential exit points and options if things started to look really concerning ‘Really concerning’ of course is absolutely subjective I can also see people’s thoughts and concerns about not sliding into next season , and how much you back him £ and number of changes in the summer. It is a tricky one but ultimately if you still have any confidence in your recruitment , plan , and appointment you have to stick and back him , Unkess , of course , and you are professional and ruthless enough to have seen with your close up view that it’s not what you thought and doesn’t look like being. JL via BT should with their close constant view , be constantly watching , listening and assessing LM every day and week on a rolling and growing basis. As I’ve alluded to elsewhere BT is actually the man in the spotlight , that’s his job , to execute professionally , well , fairly and if need be ruthlessly He’s the one around LM , staff, players , everyday , watching sessions , listening at minimum , to pre match preps and briefs , gauging the response from and mood of players etc etc Over to you Brian

I would say he’s actually very , crucially important to LM , Gull Liams very much a prep man and to do significant analysis for upcoming opponents , prepare clips for LM , players etc is I would think a fair bit of work Remenber too that Krause then goes out on the grass and has a fair part in match prep , walk thros in game plan etc I can see the thought / sense and potential benefits in that Any debate about preparation , potential ‘over preparation’ , game plans , etc etc is maybe left for another day