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Oh that'll sort it will it?

He got a team promoted on 102 points sat in the stand next to his mate on a laptop. If he has an assistant he trusts, can get messages down and feels he gets a better idea of the game from up in the stand, what’s really the issue?

Remember plenty of similar Nige interviews to begin with second time. I think one of the issues with him is that he doesn’t seem to be very good at getting something out of players that don’t match up closely with his ideals. If he isn’t having you then he isn’t having you and it doesn’t work, whereas some manager can be a bit more pragmatic and still get a tune out of players they want out on their arse in an ideal world. The whole thing relies on culture and if it’s not right it’s a struggle for him. He was fortunate at Leicester in that first time around relegation gave him chance to create a squad in that image and second time around he had money

He does take his foot first by the looks of it but I’m not sure whether I agree with that being a sending off. We had one go for us last year at Southampton that never got much discussion but I thought was also pretty controversial like this one. Vestergaard won the ball in a similar situation but caught Vardy after, the question was whether Vardy could still get there or not. Didn’t seem clear that he would and DOGSO was given as the reason. Tbh he deserved sending off for endangering an opponent but it wasn’t the reason given.

Pretty impressive as a site just for their academy, although strange that it will presumably be better than the first team training ground now and I think there’s advantages to being all on one site but just to get them ext to each other in London is decent enough.

They dropped the ball sticking with him this long instead of getting Poch in when they could. Now it’s difficult to see who they’re gonna get. Conte probably ends in tears, can’t see them going after Brendan, not sure I’m convinced Zidane could do it, it’s too early for someone like Potter

I mean it’s a problem in away ends (at least well attended ones) up and down the country just as it’s a problem in city and town centres up and down the country. And if you ever have the misfortune to find yourself at a big Saturday race meeting at Ascot and the like then it can be even worse. Maybe this always feels the case but it feels like it’s getting worse. It ruins the day when you’re near them and it’s beyond embarrassing. I’m sure we’ve all had one too many at some point and not covered ourselves in glory but when you see the same people week in week out you can only feel pity for them. No idea what you do about it

Clearly no point sacking him this season unless things go really awry which they won’t. The point to get rid of him was in the summer when he’d underwhelmed at the end of last season, but now you’ve jumped into it he has to have the chance to remould the squad whilst the club sorts the mess of a structure that seemed to have been created previously. Another manager might be able to do better now tbf but they still won’t do well and if you’ve got to take a period of pain to sort the mess out, you might as well go with somebody who has been able to do similar before. Was it Norwich the other year that were painful in Farke’s first season but selling Maddison allowed them to sort out an aging, struggling squad. Problem is you don’t have any 20m quid players to sell because you sold them all and replaced them with lots of hangers on.

Yes. Certainly an acknowledgement that Pearson, Shakespeare, Walsh were a team and even those that love Nige would say it was just him. Idk how fair it is to say he can’t do it without them, he didn’t have him at Carlisle or Southampton but they were just short-term rescue jobs. Shakespeare has the benefit of continuing into Ranieri’s time which makes it look even more like he was the glue that held it together. It seems he was more the day-to-day coach and bridge between squad and manager

Doesn’t feel like that chimes with what’s being said about the team on here, in terms of not keeping the ball well enough and some of the basic possession/passing stats. It’s not solely down to one player to drag everyone else up and maybe in his absence it would be be even worse. Brendan always talks about Tielemans being his coach on the pitch and it usually follows that if Tielemans is shit, we’re shit, and if Tielemans isn’t playing, we really struggle to control the game and play meaningfully through midfield. He dictates how well we defend because he dictates our control of the game and he dictates how well we attack just because of his ability on the ball. I would expect James’ influence to be similar in this team (obviously he’s not at that level and is playing in a team with a different mindset but I think he could do similar, a bit like Grimes at Swansea has been in recent season) but possession stats are poor, pass completion is poor, the table based on expected goals is poor. For me, a lot of that stems from what your key central midfielder is doing.

The first picture is an interesting one because you can make the argument either way. Either your back line needs to push up and not drop off like that or your midfield needs to be deeper and closer to the back line to stop the player being able to bring it down between the lines and get Notts running. 90th minute, you’re 1-0 up and knackered, I’d tend towards the latter. The problem there is it’s neither one thing nor the other, compounded by the fact there’s three players a few yards from each other in a vertical line rather than across the pitch, shape is all wrong. The less said about the last picture the better. A lack of pace is always an issue and it’s so glaring when I watch you. It can get you up the pitch and it will always create doubt in the oppositions mind about how much they can push on. But also I’ll be honest, I’m a bit disappointed with Matty James judging by what I read on here, doesn’t seem to get explicit criticism but a lot of the problems I read about Id expect less from a Championship side with Matty James in it. Maybe it’s unfair and what’s around him is a problem

Who goes there? Do they end up with a stopgap to keep them up before a summer rebuild or try to get a preferred choice now? Would enjoy a Spurs situation where they get rejected by everyone around and end up with Hughton so the best fans in the country can again show they’re anything but.

What’s he supposed to do if there’s a lack of options otherwise? Whether it’s the best way to do it idk but he’s stuck with these players run so he’s got to get them to buck their ideas up somehow. He did exactly this when he first returned to Leicester. He came in during November of 11/12 and for the rest of that season he criticised players in a much similar fashion, he fell out quite acrmioniously (head butting Matt Mills) with a couple of them. Difference is he was able to spend 3m in January on Drinkwater, Morgan and Marshall. Then about another 10-12m the following season plus just paying off or taking a big financial hit on players he didn’t want around. Of course that’s back in 2012 so bigger fees than they sound now, before FFP, with his recruitment setup and with an owner willing to spend. So whether he can achieve the transformation need given the constraints he has now is up for debate.

I think you might have brought him in too late in a sense. For both yours and his sake, had he been with you when he was at Leuven things probably would have been better all round because he may well have been able to influence a better structure that meant you didn’t spaff millions on some of the dross that you’ve had. Leuven didn’t work out for many reasons, I think he said himself he made big mistakes and took his eye off the football trying to be involved in too much at the club. Leuven fans will also say he was naive to the division and for a long time it was pretty grim - that he almost took them down is pretty bad, had he done that would have been scandalous for their budget in that league. But also he’s clearly taken the wrong jobs. He said he should never have taken the Derby job, and looking at Derby it’s not hard to see why that might be, Watford was never going to suit him (although he did ok there) and Leuven, sits between. Idk whether he can succeed but he has to be given time to stamp his mark on the side. He’s had a summer operating in a structure that has blatantly failed and has only been able to bring in 3 players that can play plus 2 more bodies. Culture was so vital to what he built at Leicester that he will struggle to succeed anywhere where he doesn’t get the chance to stamp his mark in that respect. I’m not saying you’ve got a bunch of wrong ‘uns but he was fortunate at Leicester that he a)had some of his players left from his first spell and b)was able to spend a bit of cash early and add his bodies quickly, getting pretty much spot on too. The home form is rotten, there’s no excuses. It’s worth saying we had some dire spells with him in charge too. 12/13 where we won about 3 games in 20 at the end of the season, bottling promotion and culminating in the Deeney moment. The Great Escape was also not possible without the 3 wins in 26 or whatever it was before that. For me, from what I’ve seen, the squad he has had consistently available just isn’t quite there. Players like Palmer and Bakinson remind me of players like Neil Danns and Matt Mills who Pearson wanted shot of cos they’re just not right for the environment he wants. Players like O’Dowda are just a bit meh. Martin scored a few but I’m not sure what else he offers Having said that I think Williams (not seen a huge amount of admittedly), James and Massengo could be a really decent midfield 3 if they got consistent time on the pitch together, Bentley is a decent keeper, and the options at CB are alright. It’s around that there’s a problem, both in the first 11 and the depth. Just a real lack of pace, power and technique. It’s a squad that is where it probably should be, it’s not miles off but needs some upgrades and the thing is, even with the transfers that didn’t quite work out, I struggle to fault the recruitment during either of his spells at Leicester. Whether that was just right man, right place, right time or whether he can replicate it, idk

Just watched your highlights and what the **** is Nathan Baker doing there? He’d be out my 18 next game for the decision to dive in there like that in the 90th minute, it’s inexcusable. Any manager that has this home record has to have questions asked of them no matter what the context or the results they’re getting on the road. But if you’re 1-0 up in the 90th minute and end up losing 2-1, the players on the pitch at the time are the big problem Can’t really tell whether the Scott penalty shout was or not with the angles they give but instinctively the reaction of the Notts player suggests it was. Also can’t tell if it’s handball or shoulder for the winner. This is why I can never get on board with VAR bashing, for all the issues with it, it would most likely, though not definitely, clear those two key incidents up

Might pick one up if it goes to general sale - just down the road, we play on Sunday that weekend. If you hear someone singing to the Flintstones theme about Southgate putting Simpson in the England team, it will probably be me ? Eye opening that it’s been 10 years since I last went there. First day of 11/12 season, Kasper’s debut, we took over 6k full of expectation with Sven as manager. Dire performance, down to 10 early but shaded it 1-0. Not had to play there since and both of us have been on a bit of a journey since. Don’t mind seeing them doing well atm tbh

I seem to know one of very few Newcastle fans who can’t understand how the rest of them can claim their when they’re now a geopolitical tool for an awful state actor. As ever football has no back bone when it comes to money, Man City and PSG were questionable, and don’t get me wrong many owners aren’t squeaky clean and I include our own in that despite the lauding they get across football, but this is beyond the pale. All the good social messages that football tries to support completely undermined by the complete disregard for any of it when it comes to inflating bank balances.

Have to say when watching this, I do miss the miserable, autumnal Saturday 3pm games away at someone like Peterborough (more so with the old terrace) in a 3-2 type game and a lateish winner. Decent finish for the winner. Never have been particularly sold on Chris Martin, even at Derby when he scored a load, but he bags goals.

Swap deal for Maddison

Really good goal, completely undeserved but great counter. Massengo looks like he'll go on to be a super player, you might struggle to keep him if he has good, consistent season.

Looking forward to watching this one if I can get a stream. Haven't watched one of your games since Swansea but having watched QPR the other night, I'm expecting a half decent game. From what I've read, performances are close to there, goals are a bit difficult to come by and too sloppy at key points in the game.

With us having been there in 2002 and hours away from going out of business, albeit I am only just old enough to really remember it, I should have more sympathy for their fans but none at all really. Of course, nobody should lose their club, I hope it doesn't come to that. I've felt sorry for Cov fans with some of the stuff they've been through in recent year and I'm not actually displeased to see them doing alright again, despite growing up disliking them far more than Derby. But the fans fell hook, line and sinker for the owners rubbish and repeatedly gave it the biggun, they refused they refused to believe it could end badly, they refused to believe they could be punished, they decided it was a conspiracy against them, they've gone fully down the victimhood route, they thought they'd won the jackpot with the Sheikh despite everyone else telling them otherwise. It's been pure delusion all the way along, it must be something in the water in the northern half of the East Midlands. Tbf, the only point I feel sorry for them on is that we also had a supposed FFP transgression (in much different circumstances) but got away with it by getting up and out. Of course the people to feel sorry for are the ordinary people that will lose their jobs and the small creditors who will get stuffed over. There's really only one man to blame and Derby fans expended so much energy defending him it almost became a cult. Good thing for them is that they might hopefully be able to take Notts with them. Having the Brian Clough Trophy is about the only point of either club atm.

Switched off on the 90th minute expecting you to hold on, only just seen it finished 1-1. You should been out of sight first half, just a real lack of quality in the finishing and final ball. I expect King to bury that header and the wild attempt from Weimann was desperately poor. It was a reasonably controlled if unspectacular performance that should have been a comfortable win. Looked a mid-table side for me and that’s surely where this season is headed. Thought Scott was good and solved a problem I saw at the end of the last season in terms of nobody getting between the lines. For me the problems were, and it’s not too dissimilar to what I saw the end of last season, you need some pace or at least some runners. I don’t see anyone really looking in behind or picking the ball up and carrying it. Also RB looks a big problem, Vyner was woeful going forward and Simpson is very much defensively minded.

Does anyone have a working stream that they can PM me?

I think @Mr Popodopolous hates Derby more than most Forest fans