Leveller

I see the listing has a new note from yesterday

"SPARE SHIRT BOUGHT TO WEMBLY FOR THE FINAL,MATCH WORN IN OTHER LEAGUE MATCHES"

22 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

The problem with Worldpay for some reason appears to be from desktop PCs as I had the same but mobile device worked fine (after seeing the issues here this morning thought I’d best do mine as opposed to leaving it until 12 on the last day). The £1.25 is only charged once (I did three tickets and got one £1.25 fee)

As I said prior, always going to renew - not happy with the hierarchy/football but it’s my club. This is the latest I’ve left it to renew and it’s the latest I feel comfortable leaving it in view of our abysmal technology!

I've just renewed witha credit card on a desktop PC and there was no problem at all.

45 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You seem surprised by his view!!!

Whatever suspicions about Cole Not Gas, he didn't actually say he trusted Manning's judgement over Pearson's - just that he trusted Manning's. W-S-M Seagull (not surprisingly) twisted his words.

As was pointed out in the match day thread, Rudoni looked stronger, more dynamic and generally more effective than Twine on the day. It’s quite possible he’ll be available as an alternative and probably cheaper.

I’m intrigued by all those who can see a clear difference between the style and standard of football played under Pearson and Manning.

I confess I can’t  - neither positive nor negative. Had I not read all the stuff on OTIB, I’d have been hard placed to know there had been a change.

The sacking of Pearson was a shock, but I can’t say it seems to have changed much. We remain consistently inconsistent with occasional ups but more downs.

On 01/04/2024 at 10:23, Three Lions said:

its not a trip your saying its the same and with respect fella thats not how you ref you apply the laws to each different separate incident. if you watch the clip of Phillips and Gordon there is no trip!! The only contact is? Phillips smashing Gordon. Clear 100% foul you cant kick a players leg away. 

 

I’d be interested to see how you define it as “not a trip”. Sticking your leg between another players leg and the ball so that they kick your leg seems pretty much the definition of a trip.

3 hours ago, Three Lions said:

In a kids game I will let things go when they feel unfair and i will tell managers do you really want me penalising that?? But this is adults and pro football the laws are clear very clear black and white the opponent Phillips hasnt brushed or tapped Gordon hes cracked  his leg away and totally missed the ball what i feel doesnt matter as the law takes my emotion and feelings out of it. nothing to debate its a stonewall foul!

The laws may be clear but they can be changed - and should be, in this instance.

2 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Just to illustrate my earlier comment - here you can see Phillips in the process of clearing the ball, clearly in front of Gordon and not even looking at him.

Gordon stamps his foot down, behind the ball and behind Phillips’s standing foot. There appears to be no effort on Gordon’s part to play the ball - he’s stepped over it in order to impede Phillips, who, being already in mid-kick makes inevitable, unavoidable contact. 
The penalty award may well have been applying the rules of the game, but it was morally wrong  IMHO. 

 

Precisely. Phillips didn’t “miss” the ball. Gordon planted his foot where he did to ensure he got kicked.

3 hours ago, Three Lions said:

 Phillips wasnt running down the touch line with the ball at his feet and its not similar with respect Phillips kicked an opponent when trying to clear a ball he wasnt in possession of and made no contact at all with the ball so its a foul on Gordon.  

There is clear merit in your logic. Yet … it doesn’t feel fair or just!

1 hour ago, Three Lions said:

We can disagree and you say Gordon is attempting to instigate contact but Phillips kicking his leg would still be a foul. 

Suppose Phillips was running down the touch line with the ball at his feet and Gordon put his leg between Phillips and the ball? If Phillips then made contact and fell, it would be seen as a deliberate trip and a foul by Gordon.

Its a very similar action seen from a different perspective IMHO.

13 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

There is a part of law that can be applied for impeding to delay block or impede an opponent but I dont see it for this one. Gordon is attempting to win the ball misses it and his opponent so Gordon gets there fractionally first and Phillips whacks his leg. Theres also playing in a dangerous manner and is Gordon endangering himself or the opponent!  Its unfortunate for Phillips feels wrong because hes unlucky but you cant kick an opponent. Theres a food mixer of things going on there and in real time i dont see all that but with the replay i can its still back to you cant kick an opponent.   

Where we disagree is that you say Gordon is attempting to play the ball but misses. I think he simply inserts his leg where he hopes to be kicked.

1 minute ago, Three Lions said:

I ref a bit and theres no law in the game that allows kicking an opponent. The second is a penalty. 

Thanks. But do you think there should be a change, or do you think that what Gordon did (and many others are doing) is a deliberate ploy we should accept? 

Anybody else uncomfortable with these?

In each case (in my opinion) Gordon saw an opponent trying to kick the ball, and deliberately put his foot in between the opponent and the ball, so that he (Gordon) got kicked. So he’s “bought” a foul and the well intentioned opponent is penalised.

Now you can argue that kicking an opponent is a foul and no intent is needed; fair enough - probably 70% of fouls are unintentional in that they’re honestly mistimed challenges.

Still, to me this feels like cheating and it seems to be happening more and more.

I don’t actually know whether Gordon instigating the contact means it shouldn’t be a foul - I’m not that familiar with the laws. However, my gut feeling is that these situations should not be rewarded with a free kick or penalty.

I’d be interested to know if anyone agrees.

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Maybe the Leicester fans who were booing their side and angrily gesturing towards the manager and players for the sin of only being in second place in the league might qualify as more fickle? 

Their forum is astonishing. A majority seem to think the club is rotten to the core and that the owners, manager and squad all need to go!

The Wales game actually matters and lots of people with Welsh roots/connections live in England.

51 minutes ago, phantom said:

Missed that.. 

Taunton lost 2-0

Weston lost 3-1 at Welling 

Bath lost 3-1 at Chelmsford 

Yeovil drew 0-0 at Slough 

Yes, BBC now showing the result, but for most of the match showed it as Abandoned, as did some others.

Odd. A couple of websites showing Taunton’s match as “abandoned” but the club’s Twitter is providing comments on the action!

2 minutes ago, Mike Stone said:

The clock was on 94 which was the end of the 4 extra minutes. When he blew up for the foul they obviously thought it was the end of the game.

 

 

 

That was my thought. They looked too young and innocent to be doing anything deliberately bad.

4 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'll bet you any money in the world that Manning would pick Sykes for that position every single week if the player wasn't coming back from injury.

His post match comments seemed to indicate that, in view of the recent results, he wanted to get to half time “still in the game” so started with a cautious lineup. 

Just now, lenred said:

Not what the Swans fans I was chatting to on the walk back were saying I can assure you.  

Did any of them rate their manager? Their forums seem to feel they were as bad as us today and think he’s a mistake.

Meanwhile I’ve just been reading comments on a Swansea forum, praising Manning for doing a job on them and wishing they’d appointed him!

I didn’t want Pearson to go, but the season was pretty poor under him too. I’m not sure we’re any worse under Manning - leaving aside “recency bias”.

Purely because change for change’s sake is rarely a good idea, I’d stick ftb.

17 hours ago, The Nest Egg said:

O'Dowda is my most disliked City player ever. I'm sure someone on here will tell me I'm wrong and some random bloke who played for us decades ago was more dislikable but I genuinely detested how long COD got at this club despite being clearly not up to it, bar a couple of months in late 2017.

I’m not sure why you consider O’Dowda dislikeable. Certainly ineffectual, but seemed a lovely lad. To me, at first sight he seemed to have it all - ability on the ball, strong, floated over the ground. But then the courage to use his skill seemed to disappear. I always wanted him to run at players, surge through the middle with the ball - but he didn’t. 
 

I don’t know if he lacked courage, or simply had risk taking coached out of him. I suspect the latter. Modern coaches want to retain possession rather than lose it, even if it is the risk takers that create chances. Callum just seemed endlessly to receive the ball wide, then turn and lay it backwards. But surely we see a lot of that in many players today as well?

22 hours ago, David Brent said:

To think we sent him out on loan to accommodate Palmer and Szmodics. He was twice the player of both and proved it when we recalled him. 

Isn’t Szmodics top scorer in the Championship, or thereabouts? Nothing wrong with buying him - if only we’d used him properly! 

1 hour ago, Out of his pie crust said:

Disgrace. Millwall aren’t cockneys. Lock that man up and throw away the key

To be fair, if you’re from Millwall (the area, on the Isle of Dogs, where the football club originated) then you are a cockney. But not if you’re from Bermondsey where the club moved about 1910.