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Blagdon red last won the day on December 13 2017

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  1. Indeed, not all police officers always get it right and you'd hope that the fan on here who said we should all blindly trust the police in every instance will now reconsider their view. Clearly in this case even a serving officer from our own force thought that their WMP colleagues had got things wrong. Well done to that local officer, I say!
  2. Now booked. Next free date: 18th January.
  3. The Reading game in October is now unexpectedly free. Get in touch if you can put together a group of 2 adults and 6 kids (aged up to 18) or know someone who would welcome the chance to take along such a group. Details here
  4. Welcome to the totally illogical world of football ground safety, where one of the most contentious regulations is based on now totally discredited views on the cause of Hillsborough, which have since been proved in the courts to have been completely wrong. It is time that politicians revoked a standing ban based on a lie.
  5. Cheers! Payment received. I'll ask @TomF to turn you purple!
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  7. It IS crazy. The national body for sports ground safety is the aptly named Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA). It is they that have now told clubs with all-seater grounds that rail seats are allowed and that if they have areas of their ground where fans habitually stand, they should consider installing them to increase safety. At the local level, each club then has its own Saftey Advisory Group (SAG). That is chaired in each case by an officer from the council and its other members are typically other council officers, representatives of the emergency services and a stadium safety inspector from the SGSA. The latter is technically only an observer, but given who they represent, what they say carries a lot of weight. A club's stadium manager and safety officer would typically also attend the SAG meetings. It is an SGSA recommendation that SAGs invite a supporters' representative to attend their meetings. Some SAGs do this. Ours refuses to do so.
  8. The number of fans who like to stand at each club will naturally vary. The layout of any given ground will also make it easier or more difficult for a club to take a tolerant approach to standing in certain areas. The people involved (e.g. the personnel on the SAG) are another factor that is naturally different from club to club. I think that given all those things, the 1,100 or so in the 'S82' corner is a pretty sensible solution for now. The very fact that fans from other parts of the ground do try to sneak in there does, however, show that there is a greater appetite for watching the game in this way than can be satisfied by that small area. As and when safe standing is formally allowed, it would therefore make sense for the club to try to gauge the level of demand and to cater for it accordingly.
  9. The Lower Barclay at Norwich always all stand. The SAG got concerned a couple of years back about kids standing on seats in order to see. Consequently the club relocated a few family groups to another part of the ground. I believe that the SAG is now relatively relaxed about the situation there but would welcome the installation of rail seating to add that extra level of safety.
  10. From the MOTD highlights last night, it was clear that all fans in the rail seat areas at Spurs and Wolves were standing. No rules on this have changed this season, so the stadium management teams will be managing these areas in the same pragmatic way that they have in the past, i.e. ensuring no overcrowding or spilling out into the aisles, but refraining from any heavy-handed attempts to make fans sit down.
  11. That's one for the politicians! Part of the non-sensical laws that demonise football supporters. When the stadium is being used for a concert or a rugby match for that matter it is no longer an 'all-seater' stadium from a legislative point of view! Standing can thus be allowed, even in areas of the stadium considered especially unsafe when it is being used for football.
  12. Except perhaps to protect themselves from any legal liability in the event of an injury being sustained in an area where standing is openly tolerated and a club has failed to take the added safety measures that they are now allowed to take and are being advised to consider. Not to mention, simply doing what might now be called best practice in terms of providing fans with the highest possible level of safety.
  13. I believe that the SAG are particularly anxious at about standing at the back of the Dolman due to the steep gradient of that stand. Shallower gradients, as in the Section 82 area, give safety people fewer concerns, which is why you often see clubs informally allowed to take a more tolerant approach to standing in such areas. Add rails along every row and the last remaining concerns of even the most cautious stadium safety inspector must then surely be allayed.
  14. Yes, as @Mr Popodopolous says, self-tipping rail seats (for example, like those shown here) are now allowed in all grounds, including those covered by the all-seater policy. In fact, it is now an official recommendation that clubs consider installing such seats as an added safety measure in areas where fans habitually stand. That is what both Wolves (based on past experience) and Spurs (based on expectation) have done. Other safety-conscious clubs are bound to follow suit ... and be encouraged to do so by their SAGs.
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