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  1. 10 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

    Just like many things, songs evolve.

    When I was (much) younger, I used to join in enthustiastically with the song 'Irene's a scrubber'.

    I suspect that, if such a song was to be sung today, many of our younger fans would wonder what on earth we were singing about 😄

    That sounds great - what was the tune?

  2. 1 minute ago, firstdivision said:

    How can he be right? Lee Johnson was the worst manager in our history. His whole time here was a failure. I simply refuse to believe we reached a cup semi final and challenged for thé play-offs twice. 

    We can never know of course. Young managers can develop and improve by learning their trade, just as young players can improve from season to season.  All that is now gone, but I hope that Nigel will be allowed to really develop the playing side of the club in order to match the development of the infrastructure.  Bristol should have a team in the top flight and we are the only real candidates - unless you include the Mangos.

  3. 5 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

    I remember when some city fans wanted this clown as our manager and clapped him when walking out at Ashton Gate. Must be a different era of fan. Blokes a gas ***** 

    Not me. I would always sing with lust the song that advised Irene what to do!

  4. 2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

    I guess we'll never know.

    Maybe they were just as sick as we were at City and the decisions that have been made over the last few years (and a lot we don't even know about!), mucked around on their contracts, seeing other players get extended almost at random, rookie manager they didn't respect, Pearson comes in and gives them a royal bollocking - and just wanted out. Not too unreasonable imo, although I still think it's unprofessional.

    The problem seemed to stem from fielding weak teams. The kids are very good but not up to the demanding standards of the Championship.  I agree that the attitude was disappointing and that that is a sad reflection on their professionalism.  I wonder if our current medical team could have stopped the rot.

  5. Just now, Davefevs said:

    Is that you agreeing with me?  Does it make sense that Nige and Deano’s situations were quite different?

    Maybe Dean Holden was overwhelmed with the injury crisis. Nigel coped no better with the same issues when he inherited the squad.  I believe that both were/are good candidates and have/had the ability to succeed. Nigel would clearly be better placed to perform a root and branch overhaul of the squad in view of his experience.  We will never know what really happened unless someone spills the beans and then you may have to consider that that individual might have a self protecting agenda.  We have to move on, and I would like to see continuity with the only manager who is now in a position to achieve that - viz Nigel.

  6. 4 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

    I wonder if they thought they might be able to do the bare minimum and get Pearson the boot at the end of the season for poor results, then have a new manager keep them on as a consistency/stability thing.

    I'm sure a few of them weren't too happy at the end of last year.

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Maybe they realised that the rump of the squad chosen on matchday was simply not strong enough to cope given the huge injury list.  I still think that the attitude of certain players was disappointing.

  7. 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

    I’m sure he tried that….then over a period of time he recognised the character traits of some.  Injuries meant he couldn’t swap those players out…unless he played the kids.  Ultimately that’s what he had to do.

    Holden was a bit unlucky.  But a bit naive too.  He allowed Ashton and SL to execute a terrible re-contracting strategy that summer…that played a big part.  As we’ve seen with the summer released list, there’s no way Nige would have let the same thing happen.  If you take Nagy, and go back a year, then Diedhiou would’ve either signed a new deal or been moved on.  He would not have been allowed to run his contract down at a cost to City.

    That’s the differences.

    I liked Holden I didn’t have a problem with him getting the job, but he showed his inexperience and naivety throughout that 6 months.

    The past has gone and the future must be out concern now. I would like to see Nigel given a dozen years or so to really develop the club. I fear that a further  run of bad  luck could cause a clamour for a change that would not benefit us in the long run.

  8. 5 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

    I think it was the opposite, he gave the players enough rope to hang themselves and see who was worth keeping and up for the fight

    I would have expected a new manager to try to lift a dispirited team.  Maybe the number of injuries were just too much for him to handle - as it had been for Dean Holden?

  9. 8 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

    Something to do with chicken shacks?

    The problem with chicken shack is that they can encourage blood sucking mites.  They have to be built with wisdom and consideration of the risks involved!

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  10. 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

    We do know - the replacement manager (Nigel Pearson) told us several times in the 3 months that he was in short-term charge here - that some our professionals weren’t very professional.

    I was puzzled that Nigel could not influence the non injured players to come up to the required mark.  

  11. 7 minutes ago, IdliketoRogerMoore said:

    I read that like a puff piece about how good I am with bits about City and rovers chucked in!
    And the bit about City was nonsense admittedly I know little about Rovers plight other than their shit! 
    but he mentioned His time at Grimsby their fans hate him, then goes off tangent about what he’s been doing in the lockdown! 
    Blokes a prize *****!

     

    The bit about the wall was meant to illustrate that we can all make mistakes and the shed building was to illustrate that you can complete a project even if you lack finely honed skills.  The bit that I liked was about the notion of continuity. It is easy to criticise mistakes (like his wall, and easy to scoff when a less skilled carpenter tries to build a shed, but maybe it is not a bad ideas to criticise less and support more. Call me old fashioned but I usually get frustrated at the cost and staffing implications of frequest management changes. It often seems to waste cash without always bringing the desired uptick in fortunes.  Sometimes it does work.

  12. 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

    Does it come down to respect? 

    It seems many players 'downed tools' for Dean and many have paid for that by not being at the club anymore. Nigel, du to his record should gain immediate respect.

    If that's the case, it's a bloody poor show by 'professional' players.

    We may never know unless someone from inside the camp spills the beans.  It did seem that some players let their heads drop when we all needed them to show a lot more spirit. If we lose then at least lose after giving your all.

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  13. 8 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

    I'm someone who thinks LJ by and large did a decent job here but this article is nuts.

    LJ had just under four and a half years here. (That, by the way, is longer than anywhere Jose Mourinho has been manager. Longer than Pep was manager at both Barca and Bayern). SL kept faith through some dire losng streaks when most clubs would have got rid.

    Garner was Rovers manager for 11 months. They aren't comparable. LJ's tenure here is a paradigm example of the point Holloway is trying to make about keeping faith in your managerial appointments, not a warning against the managerial sack race. When Johnson was sacked, he would have been in the top ten longest serving managers in the football league.

    Tough to argue convincingly that we would be significantly better off under any other manager. We are doing ok. We are two points off the playoffs with a smaller squad, blooding academy players, much reduced wage bill and a fanbase generally supportive of the management and the direction of travel. And there have been clear signs of much improved actual football.

    But regardless, surely if he wanted to make the point he thinks he is making, he would start the article 'would Bristol City be better off if Dean Holden was still in charge'? 

    Dean Holden had a golden start but this collapsed when much of his squad suffered from injuries. Nigel did not fare better with the same depleted squad. One could argue that Nigel is better placed to clear out dead wood and recruit a new squad on lower wages, but that is simply a reflection on the previously unheard of Covid problem.  

  14. 9 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

    I think we are showing support and patience for largish Nige aren't we?

    LJ had his time and (a lot of) money, imagine what Nige could do with the finance LJ had? 

    Yes we are at the present time. Remember that Dean Holden had an excellent start until much of his squad suffered from injuries. Working with the same depleted squad, Nigel fared no better - but then kept some of the long term injured as the cornerstones of his 21/2 squad.  It is hard to make comparisons at a time when wages had to be cut due to the Covid problems.  Every manager has duff patches in his tenure and I really hope that we stay with Nigel and ignore the chorus that will follow if he has a duff patch.  We have to look past his home form and look to the progress we are making. Would we have been so patient with other incumbents?

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  15. Just now, RidgeRed said:

    Morning Bat

    Was that an accidental typo “well sad Ian Holloway”? Has oft been said on this forum by others, mind.

    Maybe. I have never been a great fan of Holloway and the blue few, but I have often wondered what would really happen if a talented manager was allowed to reallly develop his ideas. Sure there would be mistakes, blind alleys and pitfalls but Arsene Wenger, Ferguson and Gradi -and people like them have shown that it can work. The problem it that it requires patience and understanding. The club owners are put under enormous pressure by fans and often end up making rash choices.  

    Usually a new manager feels that he needs to rebuild the squad in order to make it "his team" and that can often compound financial problems.  Not only the costs of appointing a new manager and staff but then selling and recruiting new staff.  The costs can run into many £millions and in these days of FFP can cause further problems.  Even though I find Holloway obnoxious, I wonder if, from the depths of his football experience, he has the germ of a reasonable idea.  I think he may.

  16. Ian Holloway: Bristol City and Bristol Rovers fans must learn from lessons of Johnson and Garner - Ian Holloway - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

    I admit to being conflicted that I end up agreeing with virtually everything that Holloway says about City in this article. I have no idea about the rovers stuff because I don't follow their decline.

    The benefit of stability if too often overlooked and "love the one you're with" seems to be good advice to all fans. I did not agree with the dumping of Lee Johnson but we are where we are and I hope we give Nigel all the time and space that he needs to achieve the results we all want to see. I suppose I should say, Well sad Ian Holloway - although it pains me. Tin hat on.

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