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Bat Fastard

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  1. Maybe Socrates would have preferred that.
  2. So was Socrates after he drank the hemlock!
  3. It depends on what you mean by PC!!
  4. It depends what you mean by TV ads and also depends on your definition of Owen Wilson.
  5. I have not worked out how to add coloured responses, but I congratulate you on your business success - maybe you will be able to buy out the Lansdown family one day. I should mention that we have NEVER had a say in running the club and that the decisions have always been made by owners and their employees. Although virtually all clubs are supported by the largesse of wealthy owners, you must recognise that from time to time the deep pockets are simply not quite deep enough and the clubs get into huge financial problems - as we have seen in our time as supporters. City have not been immune to these financial horrors. You may even concede that City have been very stable under SL and that we have aspirations to win promotion rather than to simply stay up. My point is that things are pretty good right now and may well get even better. If we look at the difficulties being experienced by some clubs at present, you might even agree that we are better off than most.
  6. I have to be humble and admit that my shortcomings are many. Over the years I have found that the most critical people in life are those who tend to be a lot less enterprising than more optimistic types. If people only ever see negatives, it is hard to get motivated to try to do something positive. If you would like a philosophical debate, I am happy to accommodate you. I love all that and did my degree in single subject Philosophy.
  7. The expectations of the fans should have been informed by the fact that MA had said that there would be a thorough process to get the right person. Many on here automatically assumed that this would be a Hughton or Cook and were disappointed that it ended up being Dean Holden. Now either you think that there was not a thorough process, or you must come to the conclusion that we have the best person for the job. Of course we are not able to judge this without knowing the detailed job specification and if the people being interviewed could subscribe to the game plan. I have faith that the board would have tried to find the best solution for the club and not tried to pick a complete dud. They have seen Dean working for four years, so maybe they know a bit more about his abilities than the "experts" on this forum. Congratulations on not being a failure in life and I wish you the best of fortune, but you elegantly make my point because you are not one of the more rabid and rude critics on this forum.
  8. If you cannot see the strategy you are barking. Let me help you to understand..... woof woof!
  9. The infrastructure will be there for many decades to come and may even be further improved. The aim of this is to bring more cash into the club so that it can eventually be self sustaining. SL realises this and knows that he will not be around forever. He will leave a very well founded and funded club behind him. We will still be at a disadvantage against parachute payment recipients, but SL has given us the very best chance of competing for promotion and if we keep knocking at the door, eventually our time will come. Clubs like Wigan and Bolton have undergone financial meltdowns and more will probably follow. In these difficult times we should count ourselves lucky that City are secure and in good hands who have a plan to make us even more secure in years to come. Maybe a bit of gratitude and respect is on order?
  10. Dave, you make many excellent posts and this was not really aimed at you. What really gets my goat is that people use their negative imaginations and work out what they think has happened and what they think should have happened and then started to post as if their suppositions are based on fact and not fiction. Many of the decisions made by SL and the board will be finely balanced and we cannot know what the real situation might be. The same will go for choice of players in a team. We don't know how they have trained, if they have a cold, if they have had a row with a team mate or member of staff. Every aspect of a player will go into the decision of whether it pick him or not. We can speculate and discuss the issues b but surely not from an antagonistic position. We ned to have faith in the people leading the club and have sufficient respect to give them room to do their jobs. Some people even criticise SL being proud of what he has put into the club. If we take a step back, we can surely recognise the enormity of the contribution that SL has made to our club - and this has warped our expectations. Maybe we should be grateful and play our part as supporters.
  11. All you negative types must be "supporting" a different Bristol City than the one that I have supported since the halcyon days before the Dolman Stand was built. I see a club with a newly refurbished stadium, that would be the pride of any club in our division. I see that we are getting a new training ground that will be up there with the very best around. I see a large number of academy products playing senior and league football on loan and a couple joining the first team this season as important players. I see a club that has bought some very good players and managed to make a good profit on some of these after they have served the club well during their development. I see an owner who writes off millions of £s in our debts on a pretty regular basis so that we are not as vulnerable as many clubs who run continual losses. I see a club with huge infrastructure development plans that will feed further cash into the club to help in the goal of becoming sustainable after SL departs the scene. I see stability - something Bristol City has not always known! On the other hand I see a bunch of critical pygmies who say the support the club but criticise every decision without knowing the reasons for those decisions. At every turn they denigrate the members of the board, management and even SL himself. I see these people and am willing to bet that they are not hugely successful individuals, their sort seldom are, and that they represent a very small minority of the fan base but a larger percentage of the people on this forum who seem to have nothing better to do than obsess about what they see as failures. We see things differently.
  12. The conversations with candidates would have to be confidential for very obvious reasons. The club acted in a reasonable, measured and responsible fashion. Some on here are not reasonable, measured and responsible - hence the vitriol.
  13. I believe that his answers confirmed what many thought and what was pretty obvious from what has transpired. It would have been surprising if he had announced some earth shattering new information. Our club is in very safe and responsible hands.
  14. It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative. Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.
  15. The reaction from the usual suspects on here is what one would expect. It is generally rude and shows lack of respect for a man who has piled vast amounts of cash into our club. The infrastructure will stand us in good stead for many decades to come and yet people still seem to think that he would deliberately allow a dud to be chosen as head coach. Not much logic in that! Maybe it is time for even the usual suspects to understand that the board chose an candidate who was, in their opinion, a person who could deliver their ambitions. None of the moaners knew what happened during the process, they just make up stuff to believe and get hysterical in their criticism. Maybe time for every supporter to move on and support - the team, the head coach, the staff and most of all our benefactor Steve, who has provided the launching pad for our club to have a great chance of achieving sustainable success.
  16. "Blindly" hardly describes someone who has open eyes and sees all that happens but interprets things through a mind that understands that he does not have all the information and therefore decides to have faith in those who actually know. Seems perfectly rational to me. The club are held accountable and have regular meetings where the staff can be questioned and meet the directors/managers and staff. The press regularly question these people on our behalf at the more than 50 press conferences that the club hold every year. Whereas you "don't give a shit" about new kit, some people think this is very important and it cannot have escaped your attention that the club try very hard to please in this respect. I like the fact that kit, catering, viewlines, TV, and much else has improved at Ashton Gate and I look forward to the day when all the other buildings are in place and income is generated to help to take us to the next level. Some have even grumbled about this and yearn for the old days. As I said before, the mob do not care about facts, they care about fictions that blow up into something akin to mob hysteria. When we didn't select some peoples choice to be our next manager, members of the mob threw toys out of the pram and announced that they would never bother going to watch City again. I know because I have been crossing swords with them on this forum. That is a strange way to support your club. Maybe these people could think back to the good old days and try to remember when they ever had the option to select players or staff. Only in the realms of fantasy football can such things be done. As a more sober member of the fan community, I choose to respect the decisions of the board rather than listen to mob hysteria. I always prefer truth and facts to fantasy. Others clearly think differently and that is their choice.
  17. Using the term "blindly" and ignoring the stuff that I wrote about the mob seems to classify you as "one of them". I am happy with the stunning progress that the club has made and I go back to the time before the Dolman Stand was built. All the grumblers and protesters and people who seem to feel affronted at every decision they do not understand frankly cheeses me off. They are virtually guaranteed to not know what they are talking about but the mob seem to ignore all that. 20,000 Bat Fastards would not be a dream for City because I am an old git and will be dead in a few years time. They need young people with families to keep regenerating the fanbase. The problem is, as someone else pointed out, the younger fans did not know what it was like in the old days and take everything for granted. I feel that the club are trying very hard on all fronts and that the mob will not be appeased whatever they do. If someone like me says things about the mob that are only 10% as vitriolic as some on here refer to the board and management, they get quite uppity. They certainly don' like it up 'em. One rule for the mob and another for everyone else. Such is life. But I still respect the board a great deal more than I respect the mob - for all the reasons previously adumbrated.
  18. I think you don't quite understand this business of "unconditional support" - so let me try to explain. For more than 50 years, Bristol City has been a central plank in my life. It provides something to think about - often many times a day. It provides huge interest and the anticipation and attending games is, for me the highpoint. I cheer the boys on the pitch and enjoy the banter, singing and everything else that goes with being a Bristol City supporter. Having enjoyed the East End when I was a young boy, I have to say that the pleasure was probably even more intense then. I used to be able to remember every team, goal time and many other details. It is different now. It is more mellow like everything else as you get older but it still fills me with enthusiasm. It helps that I am a naturally enthusiastic person, family, business, our green lifestyle and Bristol City are the driving forces. I could change any one of these, but feel that life would be poorer for making such a choice. I have long accepted that I have no influence in the decision making at Bristol City and I am happy to accept what is handed down simply because of this lack of influence. If we had influence, then there would be so many different opinions that it would be impossible to make progress. I have an almost spiritual distrust of "the mob" - because the one thing that that they all have in common is that they are not in command of the facts that drive decisions - so it is easy for them to foment further unrest and eventually we have people being unhappy as they are now. I am not unhappy because I believe that the board will have been in command of all the facts and tried their utmost to make the best decisions for the club. Clearly people on this forum have made up an awful lot of pretty poisonous rubbish and repeated it often enough for it to not be challenged. This is not helpful and more of a comment on the lack of wisdom of the mob than on the behaviour of those that lead our club. Of course the mob would not see it that way. Covid is a very unusual crisis because the directors can only struggle to make decisions when everything keeps changing as the disease spreads and clusters appear. They might proceed on a course of action only to be told that this is no longer viable. The mob will have no sympathy for this difficulty but will simply ascribe their false and often fictional narratives to what they think they see. Having run a very successful business for many years I know that life is sometimes difficult and I have never met a director who does not try to do the best for his or her business. So I have faith in the directors more than the mob. The mob can ignore things that don't suit their mood, covid, FFP, lack of revenue and all the rest. Directors cannot and have strict rules that govern how they run a business. The mob have no strict rules apart from anything that they can make up goes. They do not seem to accept that they are not in the best position to decide anything. They spout some ridiculous things with all the confidence of ignorance. That is why I support the board. As for communications and many other aspects, they are works in progress and I am sure that everyone in the club is trying to polish and improve every aspect of their offering to fans. We have just had new shirts which seem pretty good - but I am sure there will be some who will be offended by something like style, shape, shade of colour or something else. It is all trivia as far as I am concerned and I do not feel disrespected by the club and I am indulgent because at the end of the day, I am a Bristol City fan and accept everything that that entails. We are all frustrated by Covid and all the crap that goes along with that and I, for one, cannot wait to get vaccinated and get back to a more normal life.
  19. This is all getting a bit sterile and samey. I don't get exercised by "the suits" you do. We are VERY different kinds of people. I have to go and see to my poultry so I wish you joy of the evening.
  20. Constructive criticism in the context of the choice of manager is what I was mainly talking about. No knowledge of the issues discussed in board meetings and interviews means that there can be no constructive criticism - just made up crap. I was not aware that the club have yet announced the rules for attending matches this coming season. Sorry if I have missed this. Personally, I look for reasons to spend cash with the club and would not take a refund on my season tickets if it meant having to move and maybe sit with a different bunch of people. I like the folks in my part of the Dolman and look forward to seeing them again when the pandemic is over. I am clearly not as sensitive as you on any of these issues. I do have sympathy for the financial position of the club and the financial position of those impacted by Covid19. It is a difficult tension and I hope that those who are able to go on supporting the club do so to the best of their ability. I would like to see us emerge from this as strong as possible so we can push onwards and upwards.
  21. I once had to swear to keep a negotiation secret and this upset a lot of people who thought that I should have "spilled the beans". The eventual negotiation saved a lot of people a great deal of distress. I know that in the real world, things are not always easy, convenient or trouble free. Acting with integrity is not always the easy option, so yes, I understand the kind of things that might be concerning the board, some of whom wear suits from time to time. Constructive criticism that cannot be based on all the evidence can hardly be constructive. I have heard very little constructive criticism on here. There have been made up character assassinations that become part of the fact base and then people making up what the traduced executives are meant to have thought or done - again mostly made up and/or wilfully misinterpreted to make uninformed points. People have joyfully said that they won't go to matches again because we didn't appoint the manager that they wanted and then made up all sorts of stuff about board members to justify their action. Some of the critics joyfully wallow in the fact that they haven't been to matches for years! People have enthusiastically entertained all ideas of depriving their club of income as a way of punishing them, and then said that we should be spending more on managers/players or whatever. I wonder about the motivation of people who seem to spend their whole lives on the forum. I just want to get back to watching and enjoying days at the football.
  22. I have been running in and out doing loads of other things and may have got peoples messages mixed up. Others on here have been saying stuff like they were not kept informed. I guess these are the same people who want to deprive the club of income in one way or another whilst demanding that we spend on more expensive players, managers etc etc. _ Form my part, I do not think there is a shortage of information that causes me any distress. I do not feel that I am being used as a cash cow by the club. I like watching football and do not really care about what happens behind the scenes because there is bugger all I can do about it anyway. It is impossible to know whether you agree or disagree about decisions unless you know every aspect of the case you are meant to be deciding. We can never know, just make stuff up and argue about it. Ho hum. Some people even manage to be rude in the process. I wish the season would start in earnest so we can talk about something interesting - like football.
  23. Then how do you keep people informed without giving them information? Keeping them informed with no information would only lead to more mob unrest by people who have nothing better to do with their time. Sometimes in life you have to be a bit patient and await the outcome.
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