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2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Yeah , ok

 

It all makes sense now

 

 

You can also add the evidence of our recruitment policy to get cheaper lower league players. 

1 minute ago, spudski said:

Your last sentence is questionable...meant to be a  Professionally run Club...or how BT prefers to spell it...' Proffesional ' or ' Teknical '...very professional .

Having spoken to previous managers and former players, the underlying mantra from all of them, was their surprise as to unprofessional and Amateur we were run. 

It is a game of opinions. Tins recruits well and develops player well. He doesn't need to be the best educated person in the club to do his job. Forget the snobbery and try to appreciate his contribution.

5 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

So you’re saying Nigel and his team were sacked to save money ?

 

 

I'm saying that the club is owned and run by accountants. Work it out from there. This is the same reason that the academy is so important because it is a cheaper way to recruit and pay players. Those who don't quite make it can be sold or provide sell on clauses. There are no coincidences.

7 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Wow

 

 

La Di la Di la Di la 

 

Breaking News

Nigel Pearson removed from post in cost cutting exercise

Nigel plus two coaches replaced by a manager and coach from the lower leagues. Go figure the cost and add in Rennie whilst you are there.

8 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Devotion to the club! Do me a favour

No other club would employ him is my guess, it's not as though his stock has ever been that high!

He's been handsomely rewarded for his time here, he wouldn't have come back from Spain otherwise.

All this great servant, devotion etc is bullshit! They are all very very well paid (some would say overpaid) for what they have achieved

As you say, it's your guess.

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Like I implied and said numerous times. His strengths are at Academy level. 

You don't give jobs to people, especially when they've failed at being manager, let alone Technical Director just because of being a loyal servant.

Management was clearly not his best position but his vast football experience and devotion to the club are worth a lot in my opinion. I also reckon that he is part of a management team that costs a lot less than previous iterations. If he continues to recruit well, then he is doing his job.  I very much doubt if he could sack someone like Nigel, but he would have been under some pressure from the bean counters to help to lower costs. After all it is a professional club.

6 minutes ago, spudski said:

Whilst BT has been a long servant for this Club, do you really think his position now is justified?

He spent the great majority of his playing career at 3rd division level. Failed as a player/ manager. 

Proved he's got what it takes at Academy level. 

Which is where his strengths are. 

What qualifications and experience does he have at this level that makes you think he knows what he's doing to get promoted or even stop us getting relegated. 

Combine him and Crayola...and it reads like a joke. 

In all seriousness...how do we expect great things under their guidance...

Tins has very extensive football experience and is a loyal servant of our club. His involvement in the academy and desire to help players to get into the senior squad is incredibly valuable, even in cash terms.  If we did not have his input we may have had to pay very much more in wages and transfer fees.  I also have reservations about JL, who is shadow of his father. 

3 minutes ago, spudski said:

I think you'll find most of the negativity isn't towards Manning perse.

It has more to do with what's been said by JL and BT...how NP was sacked, the lies around that, the quotes that we have a squad that in their eyes is top 6. Even saying they expected promotion this season. 

Manning was brought in to implement that...not to be given more transfer windows and to break up a squad considered promotion quality. 

A squad by their own thinking has quality, which they now want to replace with the likes of Mehmetti. 

And to rid the experience...

We are not totally opposed in our views. We do not know what happened inside the club in terms of debate and discussions. Everyone assumed that Tins is the baddy, but they are only putting two and two together and maybe ignoring the fact that the answer is not 22. 

Of course Manning will hope to better himself by managing at a higher level. From what I can see he doesn't seem to stay in one job for very long, maybe that is an indication that he stays until he is "found out" but that might be unfair.

Mehmetti certainly can be a frustrating player and I have said before that his main problem is lack of pace to go with his obvious skill on the ball but inability to consistently make good decisions. Hopefully he will come back next season as a better player.

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

For pity's sake, those 2 cup ties - CUP TIES - are no sort of barometer of this squad's ability to perform week in, week out for 46 games.

They're no barometer of any team's.

Using your logic, Maidstone Utd are Real Madrid. But they're not are they?

They're 8th in National League South for a reason.

And we're 12th in the Championship, going backwards, for a reason.

Plus, your inability to separate Tinnion the player from Tinnion the failed manager is baffling - no other club has seen fit to employ him since he stopped playing, why do you think that might be?   

The cup games were not a barometer reading but an indication of how the squad could perform over 4 matches.  

Tinnion the player was, in my opinion, very good. His sheer number of matches showed that he was a great servant. He was clearly not temperamentally suited for management but he has clearly distinguished himself as a top class recruiter and developer of young talent.  His vast experience in the football industry has served us well and as I said before, he is paid to make decisions and like any senior executive, not all his choices will be correct or popular, but someone has to make those decisions. He deserves a degree of respect for his service to our club.

25 minutes ago, frenchred said:

So a pretty shit coach then and not all he's cracked up to be

That may be right but, in fairness, he should be given a bit more time to see if he can turn it round.  We seem to be out of any promotion race for this season, so I would expect him to be assessing the squad for next season. We may well see a few interesting team selections. Hopefully the results will improve, but I have reservations.

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

But this squad was supposed to be good enough for promotion this year according to junior and the snake, or do you conveniently forget they fed us that bullshit to fit your agenda?

Playing at the same level achieved against West Ham and Forest, the team might have been good enough for a promotion shot, but Manning has not been able to keep them performing at that level. Can and will are two different things.

3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

And pigs might fly

That is certainly a logical possibility!

23 minutes ago, spudski said:

LM mentioned the mental strength of the players. So did NP. Who are they going to learn that mental strength from if you get rid of experience who knows how to deal with situations. 

I tend to agree and think that Nigel had the greater depth.  Maybe Manning will surprise us all. 

1 minute ago, spudski said:

If you tell players they are good enough for top 6, and they aren't performing to that level, then I can't see how that is positive. 

All it does is create questions as to why you/we/ they aren't performing to that level. 

NP used to repeatedly say he needed the players to believe in themselves. 

We have had and have now a squad that is mediocre. Telling them they are better than that does nothing. They need to be told they need to improve and better themselves. 

I think that every player in the squad would want to do better and become better players  that is ambition. They have to believe that can achieve those ambitions - including maybe playing at the highest level. It is the job of the leaders in the club to nurture that belief and I find it disappointing that some on the forum, which I guess is representative of the fan base) are prepared to rubbish the prospects of a very talented 19 year old player making only his second sub appearance in a very demanding league.  There are always those who look at glasses being half empty. The games against West Ham and Forest showed that there is great potential in the squad.  It is wonderful what can be achieved with belief and positive reinforcement.

21 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Sorry to say but I for one will not be an apologist for liars.

 

Then I suggest you look into the concept of ambition. It concerns a journey to a destination that does not yet exist. To that extent it could be described as a lie. Without ambition we can never get anywhere but some ambitions are not realised. All clubs in the league have ambitions but not all can achieve those ambitions.

26 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

But he could have said “we are a club with ambitions of being in the top 6”.

That’s very different to “we have a top 6 squad”.

That is cavilling. With luck and a following wind we probably have a squad that could scrape into the top 6 but only if everything went in our favour. Of course, life is rarely like that.

20 minutes ago, spudski said:

There's being positive...and then there is delusion. He said they expected promotion this season. And put that as one reason why they sacked NP as they thought he wasn't getting enough out of the squad. 

Now Manning is dismantling a squad considered good enough for top 6. 

Cmon...its all delusional bollox being spoken by the Club. 

I did not want to see Nigel leave and I have reservations about Manning, but apart from that there are a lot of very young men who are caught up in the turmoil.  It cannot help to criticise so many aspects of the club, including the man who managed to get their careers launched.  I have always disliked managerial changes (apart from Pulis, who I really disliked) but we must never lose sight of the fact that we have a role to support and encourage the squad and those in charge of them. Delusion and promotion are sometimes close bedfellows, but belief can give people a massive lift - just what we need right now.

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Yet they thought our squad was capable of top 6, full of experience, yet want to tear that idea up. Sorry but for me BT is full of BS.

Well he could hardly say that we were relegation material, could he.  The leaders in the club have to push the message that we are on the up. This should put pressure on players, managers and those hoping to break into the team. It may also sell a few more tickets. Please don't start canning a bloke because he is too positive!

1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

But....but... we are supposed to progress THIS SEASON!

Or was that a lie?

Hope springs eternal.  We have a small squad and a newish manager. If we miss out this season, it will be interesting to see how the summer recruitment goes.  My main concern is the apparent lack of strength of character, but after Nige, most managers will seem that way.

Every time we chop and change managers, we are left with a residue of the squad who do not fit in with the new plans.  The cost of carrying these players and changing them is exceptionally high, so it seems eminently sensible to have a strand of continuity in the management structure. Tins is that man. He may not get every decision right and others may not always agree with his opinions and he will never please all the people all the time.  That does not mean that he is not making a massive and valuable contribution to the football side of the club.

23 minutes ago, spudski said:

Well we certainly haven't been playing like he describes under Manning. 

Less hard press, less running, less physical and more about moving the ball quicker and possession. 

Also a higher reliance on width.

We look nothing like BT describes.

And if you are going to fill your team with unproven raw talent from league 1 and a coach with no higher experience other than league 1...and get rid of all your experienced older heads and Pros...the likelihood is you'll end up in League 1 where they're coming from.

It's madness to get rid of experience.

But yeah..BT knows best...his managerial career tells us that

If we are building towards the kind of team Tins described then it is not surprising that we have not finished the squad building yet. We are clearly a work in progress  although that is probably a permanent state of affairs for a selling club.

22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This was summer 2023’s plan!

And will probably be the plan for years to come.

20 minutes ago, spudski said:

Well we certainly haven't been playing like he describes under Manning. 

Less hard press, less running, less physical and more about moving the ball quicker and possession. 

Also a higher reliance on width.

We look nothing like BT describes.

And if you are going to fill your team with unproven raw talent from league 1 and a coach with no higher experience other than league 1...and get rid of all your experienced older heads and Pros...the likelihood is you'll end up in League 1 where they're coming from.

It's madness to get rid of experience.

But yeah..BT knows best...his managerial career tells us that

If we are building towards the kind of team Tins described then it is not surprising that we have not finished the squad building yet. We are clearly a work in progress  although that is probably a permanent state of affairs for a selling club.

1 minute ago, spudski said:

BTs quotes on how we intend to play and recruit. 

"Yeah, there will be money in the summer," Tinnion continued. "We'll be in a position to buy players like Anis Mehmeti. There won't be any players coming in that are on the down. They'll all be on the up, they'll all be young, they'll all be athletic, they'll all be able to run because that's what our team is going to be based on now. We're going to be an athletic, young, physical running team."

"There are some really good players in League One that just need the opportunity. What we're looking for is players that have maybe played 200 games, they've got the experience but they just haven't had that opportunity to play in the Championship. We're very clear on what we want, we're very clear on the positions, and we're very clear on our targets so, hopefully, when the final whistle goes on that last day we'll be active."

 

 

That sounds very sensible to me. Clearly the big wigs in the club have all sat down and decided on a way forward. They may be frustrated by missing out on some of their targets but they certainly have a direction. The three players that we have recruited from Derby show how we have been carrying out the plan.  I very much doubt if we will be buying many 30+ year olds who find it more difficult to press to the required standard.

2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Who was the leader of the drinking culture ?

I've heard plenty of stories re BT in and around the pubs of Nailsea.

Stories and rumours abound.  Personalities do not always agree, but that does not mean that we should take sides. I liked Danny Wilson and I like Tins. Tins has been part of the club for so long that he now part of the warp and weft of the place. Many footballers owe a great deal to his wisdom and guidance but there are still many on this forum who seem content to rubbish his achievements. I believe that he has made a very significant contribution and I appreciate his efforts on behalf of our club.