BS4 on Tour...

That’s not true, Billy Elliott returned a 53.8% win percentage before departing as Sunderland manager in 1979 - LJ’s win percentage with the Black Cats was 51.3% ...

I’ve never had an agenda with regards to football - an agenda was what we used to have in pathetic meetings back in my previous corporate life - and the last item on the agenda was always ‘AOB’ - which was when the real debate started! And that annoyed the majority of the meeting attendees who were just waiting for the buffet to arrive! I’ve never disliked LJ or had ‘an agenda’ against him, never ever ...

Anyway @TonyTonyTony - it’s getting late now, but just to say, I appreciate our online sparrings, it’s great that you constantly hold me to account for my views and I do the same back at you. It’s never personal for me, just good old fashioned debate, which is what a forum like this is all about - especially on a Friday night! Have a great weekend - cheers

What ‘achievements’ has LJ got on his cv?

Lee Johnson has been a manager for 450 games at various clubs - he is not a ‘young upcoming gaffer’ as many try to portray him, and his one claim to fame is winning the tier three/tier four Football League Trophy for a club as massive as Sunderland - and that is it. Really not sure why you describe my questioning of this as ‘strange behaviour’ - he hasn’t really achieved anything ... it’s sad, but it’s true ...

Sad

I never disliked LJ at all, ever ... just to make that clear - he obviously loved our club but he just wasn’t up to the task of getting us promoted - we seemed to be in with a shout at New Year each season then we plummeted to the depths each time ... I haven’t tried to degrade LJ’s cv - he has zero achievements on it - that’s all I said, and it’s pretty true ....

Blimey, and I thought I was the pedantic one - ok, I don’t believe winning the Football League Trophy as manager of Sunderland when your opponents are all from the bottom two tiers of English football plus a group of youngsters looking for experience from higher clubs, is an ‘achievement’ ... Happy now pedantic one?

I’ve said on here before, I went to all the finals of The Football League Trophy in which we were involved - but I saw them all as a day out and I wasn’t that bothered if we won or not, with the exception of the 1986 one, because to me that was a real statement about how we were on the way back after 1982 - and the emotion that poured out of Terry Cooper after the rollercoaster of the previous few years just meant so much. But, as I’ve also said on here before, two City fans sat in front of me at the 2000 final, when we lost to Stoke, were in tears at the final whistle - and they not youngsters by any means - I couldn’t believe that and I just can’t get too excited by The Football League Trophy competition - and now we are not in it, it seems loads on here ridicule it annually too ...

So you think winning the Papa John Trophy is a major achievement? Fair enough ... I don’t feel I was ‘corrected’ because I don’t think it’s a major achievement ...

I’ve never said or held the view that anyone who supported LJ is a snowflake ... strange assertion that ...

This is only about five seconds but it's the funniest example of Millwall stewards “trying to stop a pitch invasion” ever! I laughed long and hard ...

“Seven figure fines” - for the clubs or the individual?!

You go steady there BW - when I recently suggested on here that LJ had ‘zero achievements on his cv’ I was leapt upon by the cancel culture/snowflake brigade because apparently he won the Leasing.com/Papa Johns Trophy ... oh well, what an achievement ...

Are we counting clubs that don’t exist anymore or who aren’t in the league anymore?