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What kind of "group" adjectives are you wanting to put in that blank? If you have to think twice before posting one of them - probably not ok. If you don't, it's probably alright. I can't say I've ever really had the desire to shout something - especially at a footballer - that I'm even slightly worried someone may think is racist or homophobic, but maybe that's just me. e: and certainly not to a colleague at work

Glad you're making use of that thesaurus you got for Christmas! If you can't work out pretty accurately what is and isn't appropriate to shout at a football match, or are really that desperate to get at close to the semi subjective racism/homophobic line as you can without crossing it to such a degree you get banned, I'd suggest maybe the problem lies with you, rather than our crazy "PC illiterate" society. Should just put up a load of posters saying "don't be a ********". Job done.

If you're getting anything like that "rubbed in your face" before the game you're getting a very different match day experience to me!

I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding over what people mean - and I'm not someone who particularly wanted Warnock last year, although I am not a Johnson fan either. In my view, there are two major differences with the "poor" football comment you're talking about. Firstly when you hire Warnock, you know what you're getting... it's not pretty, but it works. Maybe that's what you call "poor" football, as it's undeniably not for the purists - free flowing busy bees through the thirds (someone get the vomit bag), but that also doesn't mean it can't be very entertaining and exciting - and talking to Cardiff fans I know, they were very entertained last year. It's quick, it's aggressive, it scores goals, and their players end up at 90m blowing out their arses for the team. There is a large difference there with what we're currently getting... ours is also not free flowing for the purists, but it's also not quick, or aggressive, and it's not entertaining in the slightest. Both "poor" football - yes, maybe. But still very different. Secondly, as far as I'm aware, Warnock was made manager of Cardiff at the start of the 2016-2017 season, and at the end of the 2017-2018 season they were automatically promoted to the premier league. Lee was made our manager getting on for three years ago now, and around eight months before Warnock arrived at Cardiff. That's fine - and we were sold a grand vision so we all knew it would take time. Well it has been a fair bit of time, and I'm not really seeing this vision coming to fruition. I understood the football may not be great at the start as Lee had his windows and coached his team, and brought in our young exciting academy players - that's perfectly fine, and even laudable. However three years later there is now scant reflection of this grand vision on the pitch. I would expect that after this time with the squad, we would at LEAST be starting to see the vision of Lee Johnson's Bristol City appearing, which we thought we had this time last year. But, instead, all we have is "poor" football, and nothing more. Yesterday, our young, academy prospect stuffed group of busy bees had an average age of 25.18 years - by the way, I believe our youngest player is also a loan so we don't even own him. Boring old Rotherham's average age was 25.45 years, so less than 0.3 more than us. Rotherham were more energetic, had a better game plan which they executed more competently, and in my opinion looked more likely until having two players sent off. It all comes down to expectation and execution, with Warnock you get "poor" but exciting, aggressive, attacking football that gets results - he knows that, and he wont tell you anything else. With Lee, you get sold the world, but you end up with "poor" but boring, pedestrian football which isn't really getting results - I believe our last 10 games (including our entire "run") is W3, D4, L3. I believe that's around 60 points over a season, or mid table. Wow. There is a difference in "poor" football, it's far too broad to use in the way you have - and calling people morons at the same time when you don't understand this is just bizarre. For the record as I said, I am not a big fan of either Warnock, or Johnson.

I can't see anyone saying that, just that if we want to be a top ten club as was alluded to recently by our owner we should be beating teams like that at home. Your posts are so full of hyperbole and trying to create division where there is none, very tiresome

The ones near the oppositions box are usually pretty quiet, although you will have to move your car at half time.

The argument I see of "We are where we should be in the table" is a slightly odd one to me - in my mind, an awful manager would take us down (i.e. below our "wage" position, or whatever similar metric you want) and a great one would take us up for the opposite reason. Awful managers have their team performing far below where you would expect, great ones have them performing far higher - and truly great ones have them performing far higher consistently. The fact we are around where we should be implies to me that Lee is a very average manager - and that we're looking down rather than up implies since he started here, he has not improved and is in fact going backwards. The fact that we also have the much vaunted stability factor here which should weigh in our favour is even more disturbing. The "value add" factor I want to see from our manager - their ability to stamp themselves on our club, and have us performing above expectations is sadly lacking. If i could see a coherent strategy or long term plan I could accept an average "now" if I expected a good "later" - but I can't see that either. If there was excitement at the Gate, and a feel good factor around I could also accept an average "now" - but I personally feel the opposite, I can't be bothered with Sunday (although I'll still go). Lee has assembled his team, had approaching 3 years here to get his ducks in a row, hired his backroom staff, spread his ethos, talked his bullshit, and spent a shit tonne of (not his) money... and there is still no value added from him that I can see - we're not performing anywhere above where you would expect us to be. In fact, our trajectory is currently steadily downwards. You would expect an inconsistent patch near the start of his tenure, but it's getting worse if anything the longer he has, and the more that he touches and makes his. That's not a good sign in my eyes. I don't accept the arguments about development. We should have a strategy for now, and a strategy for the future - and a very solid strategy for how we get from one to the other. Our strategy for now seems haphazard at best, full of excuses and money, and basically non existent. The strategy for the future doesn't seem clear, and at this point I'm very dubious as to whether the future will ever even arrive with Lee, or will always be 2 more windows and a load of excuses away. Yes I know we sold our best players, but we knew that was coming. I thought that was part of our plan. Maybe I'm being harsh, but that's a long time and a lot of money - and ultimately I don't want an average manager (or worse) here. I want a good manager, with a solid strategy laid out. What I see is an average at best manager on a downwards trajectory, with no strategy.

So, with all that said, why do you think that incidents of racism are so markedly fewer today compared to even say 30 years ago? If a player wears rainbow laces, why does it matter to you? You seem aggravated at some pretty small gesture - the colour of someones shoelaces. Why do you even care if people want to do it? I don't know whether rainbow laces will encourage someone to come out or feel more accepted, but showing support can't do any harm, right? So what's the issue? That's great and I agree, but you must accept it is odd given how reported on players lives are that that's the case though?

I feel like in 2008 at least we were often the ones scoring a jammy late winner personally. I also feel like for periods we've often conceded late under Lee. I'm surprised if we haven't this season, but I suspect in general it's down to belief from the players who will keep going to the end 100% for the win, compared to taking their foot off the gas. In 2008 if we were one nil down with ten to go it felt like the crowd always believed we'd get a draw, if not a win! I can still remember Brooker coming on to head one in against Norwich in the last minute in front of the East end to put us top... Great times!

@reddogkev, author of such threads so far this season as "Lee Johnson, stay for life!" after 3 wins, and "This team is good enough for promotion" after 4 wins, talking about how annoying it is when people make knee jerk reactions after changes in City's form... really?!

I've certainly seen a few of our players not turn up until then before.

I feel like forcing teams to play X number of English players is treating a symptom rather than the cause. Invest more in young people's and grassroots football, train more coaches (look up how many we have compared to other similar European nations), and see how the Germans and French do it would be a better use of money and time in my opinion... And then wait twenty years!

Yes, 99% of people already agreed. The thread then turned into a pretty interesting debate. Yawn, get a life and stop stirring.

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Whisper it... But good coaching/management?