redsquirrel Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 as per title really,does the ref do it still or someone on the side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 4th official is linked with ref's watch isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Isn't it automatically 30seconds per sub, and then the 4th official decides how much else. The ref can still take off/add on time based on his own opinion of how long the 4th official holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 thanks guys,dolls, i couldnt work out how they knew what to put on the board but i forget all this modern tech stuff is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I thought that was what the refs second watch was for and then as it gets to just before 90 mins he says to the 4th official how much he has on his watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 The referee acts as timekeeper and then advises the fourth official of the minimum added on time that will be played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ref tells 4th official, some games just as its about to be 90mins look at ref and he signals to 4th official how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Well 4 minutes was held up, but according to the BBC (who take their figures from PA who have a guy with a stopwatch at the game) 6 minutes was played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 was that 6 mins after the celebrating the goal etc? As we scored in the 4th minute of extra time i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 was that 6 mins after the celebrating the goal etc? As we scored in the 4th minute of extra time i think. Didn't seem like 2 mins to me, but I guess it's hard to tell unless you're timing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 yeah think it was around a minute and played 20 seconds or so, so we were probably in the 6th minute of extra time at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 The referee is the ultimate (and ONLY official) timekeeper, and he signals to the 4th official at around 45 minutes (2nd half elapsed time) how many minutes are remaining to be played on his stopwatch. (Before the introduction of radio mics, the ref used to signal the remaining minutes by showing a number of fingers against the dark background of his shorts). Contrary to popular belief, fuelled by the media phrasing - it is NOT ADDED time, it is TIME REMAINING after stoppages made by the referee during the half (when his, and only his, stopwatch reaches 45 minutes - he blows the whistle to signal the end of the half - he does NOT ADD time!). The time shown on the board is merely a GUIDE to the audience of the time remaining to be played - it is NOT written in stone, since the referee may well stop his watch AFTER the board has gone up for various occurences of time-wasting, free-kicks, substitutions, goals and penalties. Therefore, anyone who bleats abouth the referee playing "6 minutes added time" when only "only four minutes was put up on the board" is totally incorrect on two counts: (1) The actual time remaining to be played (only the referee knows that) and (2) that "Added Time" is a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 30 secs per sub and 30 secs per goal, So we scored 3 thats 1m30secs there were 6 subs so thats 4m30s and ref's some times play a little bit more if a team is on the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I think, people just get annoyed with the figure put up sometimes. You'll be at a game with 6 subs and 3 goals and 2 mins go up. Next game exactly the same and 5 will go up, I know it's up to ref just sometimes so frustrating with the inconsistency of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Therefore, anyone who bleats abouth the referee playing "6 minutes added time" when only "only four minutes was put up on the board" is totally incorrect on two counts: (1) The actual time remaining to be played (only the referee knows that) and (2) that "Added Time" is a myth. Wasn't bleating about it, just making an observation. Nonetheless, where the f- the ref found 6 minutes of stoppages in that half I can't begin to figure. I think the odious little twerp had a draw down on his pools coupon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JammyOne Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 The referee is the ultimate (and ONLY official) timekeeper, and he signals to the 4th official at around 45 minutes (2nd half elapsed time) how many minutes are remaining to be played on his stopwatch. (Before the introduction of radio mics, the ref used to signal the remaining minutes by showing a number of fingers against the dark background of his shorts). Contrary to popular belief, fuelled by the media phrasing - it is NOT ADDED time, it is TIME REMAINING after stoppages made by the referee during the half (when his, and only his, stopwatch reaches 45 minutes - he blows the whistle to signal the end of the half - he does NOT ADD time!). The time shown on the board is merely a GUIDE to the audience of the time remaining to be played - it is NOT written in stone, since the referee may well stop his watch AFTER the board has gone up for various occurences of time-wasting, free-kicks, substitutions, goals and penalties. Therefore, anyone who bleats abouth the referee playing "6 minutes added time" when only "only four minutes was put up on the board" is totally incorrect on two counts: (1) The actual time remaining to be played (only the referee knows that) and (2) that "Added Time" is a myth. Why then does a manager put on a sub at 90 minutes when they're winning, simply to 'waste time'? Not necessarily disagreeing with your points, I'm genuinely interested to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 30 secs per sub and 30 secs per goal, So we scored 3 thats 1m30secs there were 6 subs so thats 4m30s and ref's some times play a little bit more if a team is on the attack The allowance is at the discretion of the referee - no 30 second guideline for subs or goals exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Why then does a manager put on a sub at 90 minutes when they're winning, simply to 'waste time'? Not necessarily disagreeing with your points, I'm genuinely interested to know why. Tactical reasons? To send on with instructions, perhaps disrupt rhythm of opposition while giving the team making the sub a bit more time to organise to keep out the last big opposition push I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Wasn't bleating about it, just making an observation. Nonetheless, where the f- the ref found 6 minutes of stoppages in that half I can't begin to figure. I think the odious little twerp had a draw down on his pools coupon. Wasn't accusing you of 'bleating about it', just that some do... I simply can't understand why people make a fuss about the amount of time played AFTER the board's gone up. It was always, and only ever was, an "indication" of the amount of time left in the half. The referee is, and always has been the sole keeper of time played - he blows his whistle when HE considers time has expired - NOBODY, not even the FA, can question him about the time he has allowed. It doesn't even have to be exactly 45 minutes - how many referees do you see blow up when a team is in the middle of an attack? You usually find that referees blow when the ball is in midfield or goes out of play. This is done deliberately to avoid controversial incidents when he blows. When I was a referee, even when my stopwatch stated 45 minutes were up, I would let play continue for a few seconds until the ball was in a non-controversial location. When you do referees training, you are taught to do this - if you blow up just as an attacker takes a shot at goal and scores, you're going to open a whole can of worms, so it's easier to avoid it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Why then does a manager put on a sub at 90 minutes when they're winning, simply to 'waste time'? Not necessarily disagreeing with your points, I'm genuinely interested to know why. I can only echo the other poster's comments and assume it is for tactical reasons. Certainly not to waste time because as soon as the Referee signals to allow the substitution, he will stop his stopwatch until play is restarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Simple When Man Ure play its always Ferguson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I can only echo the other poster's comments and assume it is for tactical reasons. Certainly not to waste time because as soon as the Referee signals to allow the substitution, he will stop his stopwatch until play is restarted. I once asked a Ciy manager directly what the reason's were why substitutions are made in after the board had gone up. He said that sometimes it was for tactical reasons but more often it was to make a player feel involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky89 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Suppose to be 30seconds a sub, and a minute for a goal/red card. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Suppose to be 30seconds a sub, and a minute for a goal/red card. . . . No it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bywaterred Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 I have always been led to believe the 4th official watches and when play has stopped, he hits a stop watch. At the end of the half he puts up how ever long is on his stop watch. Is that not the case? You never see the ref stop starting a watch unless its in stoppage time. It must be this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 I have always been led to believe the 4th official watches and when play has stopped, he hits a stop watch. At the end of the half he puts up how ever long is on his stop watch. Is that not the case? You never see the ref stop starting a watch unless its in stoppage time. It must be this way? No - the referee is the sole timekeeper - see my post above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 11, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Ref is the timekeeper, watch him about 89/90 minutes you will see him indicate to the 4th official. And REMEMBER it is a MINIMUM time to be added on, who knows what will happen in the added on time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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