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We are a club in dire straights... Fans have gone from dreaming of playing premier league football in a brand new stadium to more than likely playing league 1 football in a mish match of a stadium that can only ever house 27,000. Some may say that puts the gas in a superior position to us going forward... The Ashton vale saga and the way we gave gone down with no fight or a whimper has left a massively bitter taste in our mouths...

Is that poor excuse of a stadium ( the new gate) gonna take that bitter taste away.. Nay chance

 

Does anyone know if the design of the new Gate has the potential for an increase in a capacity from the 27,000 or is that the absolute max?

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Does anyone know if the design of the new Gate has the potential for an increase in a capacity from the 27,000 or is that the absolute max?

Currently that's the max. Otherwise I'm certain the club would have gone bigger.

However, the only time we would ever need to increase from 27,000 would be if we became an established premier league side, like Swansea have done. (Long way off anyway). If we found ourselves in that positionI reckon the council would be far more willing to back further expansion works then they currently are, and the increased financial power of the club may even allow it to buy up and demolish houses behind the EE or Atyeo to enable further expansion.

Who knows? It's just a theory. Either way, I like the plans for redeveloping AG and the new facility will suit us just fine most likely.

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Does anyone know if the design of the new Gate has the potential for an increase in a capacity from the 27,000 or is that the absolute max?

 

Probably the most pertinent question surrounding the subject and brings us squarely back to what SL said at the outset in no uncertain terms: he said that we need a stadium of a minimum of 30k to have sustainable football in the top flight. So then.. we end up with one 3k short of that with no hotel and far fewer revenue streams which is about a quadruple whammy.

 

Either then he has another idea up his private sleeve for buying out all the houses behind the Atyeo or he will go as far as he can and get us to be a sustainable championship club with a 27k capacity... oh but hang on... with revenues about 1/10th of what they are in the prem we end up with a financial stranglehold of a refurbished stadium that sinks us in then Championship or makes too little revenue in the Prem. 

 

I would therefore be flabbergasted if SL goes ahead with AG UNLESS he has that private idea up his sleeve to expand the 27k at some point in the future. Buying out about 15 houses is a very tenuous link to that. Knock down the Dolman at a later date?

 

p.s. notwithstanding a rugby club helping to cushion the financial blow I suppose. So maybe the proverbial goal posts have changed in shape and design literally and metaphorically. 

 

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Probably the most pertinent question surrounding the subject and brings us squarely back to what SL said at the outset in no uncertain terms: he said that we need a stadium of a minimum of 30k to have sustainable football in the top flight. So then.. we end up with one 3k short of that with no hotel and far fewer revenue streams which is about a quadruple whammy.

 

Either then he has another idea up his private sleeve for buying out all the houses behind the Atyeo or he will go as far as he can and get us to be a sustainable championship club with a 27k capacity... oh but hang on... with revenues about 1/10th of what they are in the prem we end up with a financial stranglehold of a refurbished stadium that sinks us in then Championship or makes too little revenue in the Prem. 

 

I would therefore be flabbergasted if SL goes ahead with AG UNLESS he has that private idea up his sleeve to expand the 27k at some point in the future. Buying out about 15 houses is a very tenuous link to that. Knock down the Dolman at a later date?

 

p.s. notwithstanding a rugby club helping to cushion the financial blow I suppose. So maybe the proverbial goal posts have changed in shape and design literally and metaphorically. 

 

 

Since Ashton Vale was announced, and with the impact of financial fair play rules I've always felt that, as far as our stadium is concerned, doing nothing would never be an option.

 

Ashton Vale would have given the best chance of putting in place all the facilities that would enable the club to maximise income both on match day and also on non-match days - hotels, conference facilities etc.

 

I don't  think that AV is necessarily dead in the water, but suspect that SL realises that to get it will take a long game, so in the meantime the only alternative is to make the most of AG through redevelopment. Ok it might not give us a hotel and conference facilities, but we can get better spectator facilities and some corporate boxes in place and while we are in league 1 will we really miss a 30,000 capacity?

 

At the time AV was announced we could conceivably have been a season from the prem. Realistically, and with the new football philosophy, player recruitment and bringing through young players we are at least 5-7 years from a shot at the prem - baring something quite remarkable so will we need the ability to increase the capacity of AG if, during that time other stadium options materialise - either AV resurfacing or your idea of SL having a trick up his sleeve.

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The new stadium will hopefully have better seats with more elbow and leg room as well as decent sight lines. The other important issues are access and parking - and both of these will be poor at a revamped AG. AV is the only long term solution that will give the Club the potential to survive beyond the Championship. If the Lansdown clan really want to make their mark in Bristol for the next century they need to build AV. A revamped AG will leave us as a nearly club for all eternity.

Its crap or get off the pot time!

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I love the "dream" idea that if we stay at Ashton Gate, then SL builds houses on Ashton Vale in return for the block of flats behind the Dolman.

 

In the meantime, the houses behind the Atyeo are then bought up over the years, and when(or if) the need arises in future, we then have the necessary footprint to rebuild the Dolman & Atyeo to be much larger.

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As I understand it, once the safe standing is official, there will be room for another 3,000 or so due to the fact that you can get 2 people standing as opposed to one sitting in the safe standing seats (if you see what I mean...). So capacity could be around 30k once safe standing is formally adopted.

Hotel etc etc?

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Hotel etc etc?

Dead right.  

 

I'd rather the club dug in and fought this TVG crap, as I've seen us settle for second best too many times in my lifetime and that's probably why we're where we are now.  

 

We've got to go for for the 1st choice, or we'd live to regret redeveloping AG in a very short time and where the hell is everyone going to park anyway???

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I did mention that I believed work would start as soon as planning permission is obtained, DaveL stated no it wouldn't but it has always been pretty obvious. When season tickets went on sale there was a note at the bottom on the website that said as much. Not long after January the 1st I expect the EE to be pulled down. I hope for just one game before the old lady goes the club make the whole end available to only home fans.

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Dead right.  

 

I'd rather the club dug in and fought this TVG crap, as I've seen us settle for second best too many times in my lifetime and that's probably why we're where we are now.  

 

We've got to go for for the 1st choice, or we'd live to regret redeveloping AG in a very short time and where the hell is everyone going to park anyway???

what do you think they've been doing and spenting millions on twiddling their thumbs?

If we've settle for the revamp it means there is no legal way we can win Ashton Vale, if the club want a new ground with Ashton Vale off the table then they have to move out of the city to severn side or portishead or something like that which isn't going to happen,

27k isn't the maximum we can have, its whats being banded around with 3 stands being devloped,

The club have silently been buying the houses and areas around the ground for years, if we started using the 27k max then they atyeo would be redevloped (if planning permission were to be agreed) filling in the corners and slightly highering the stand which would make it a capacity of problliy 30 - 32k which is the absolute max we could get on the current land we own,

 

Yes Ashton gate is the second option but it isn't a poor second option, the main revenue we are missing out on in footballing terms is conferencing and boxes something thats been incorprated into the re-design, thats the main reason we were never on a level playing field in terms of cash in the championship and thats the main reason we want a new/redevloped ground not some fancy hotel or nice housing estate but some boxes we can sell and make additional money on match days for both the rugby and the football club

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what do you think they've been doing and spenting millions on twiddling their thumbs?

If we've settle for the revamp it means there is no legal way we can win Ashton Vale, if the club want a new ground with Ashton Vale off the table then they have to move out of the city to severn side or portishead or something like that which isn't going to happen,

27k isn't the maximum we can have, its whats being banded around with 3 stands being devloped,

The club have silently been buying the houses and areas around the ground for years, if we started using the 27k max then they atyeo would be redevloped (if planning permission were to be agreed) filling in the corners and slightly highering the stand which would make it a capacity of problliy 30 - 32k which is the absolute max we could get on the current land we own,

Yes Ashton gate is the second option but it isn't a poor second option, the main revenue we are missing out on in footballing terms is conferencing and boxes something thats been incorprated into the re-design, thats the main reason we were never on a level playing field in terms of cash in the championship and thats the main reason we want a new/redevloped ground not some fancy hotel or nice housing estate but some boxes we can sell and make additional money on match days for both the rugby and the football club

You are wrong!

The club has failed miserably. This should have been taken to the very top of government. National media should have been informed etc etc.

Ashton vale sunk without trace.

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You are wrong!

The club has failed miserably. This should have been taken to the very top of government. National media should have been informed etc etc.

Ashton vale sunk without trace.

it went to the secutary of state who like the gas signed off on the project but it didn't stop Trash or the TVGers going to the courts and thats the problem with democracy

and it hasn't sunk with out of trace we have a hearing about it in a fortnight with the expert who told us last time that only the norht part wasn't a tvg (which we werent going for at them time)

The national media has been reporting on it right the way through its only out of everyones minds as since feb this year we havent been able to do anything until first 30th oct and now 27th Nov,

 

You are the one who is wrong

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also when was it bad to have a back up plan? unlike the gas we are able to redevlop because our owner has the money to do so, if the gas lose to trash they are stuck with the minimal forever

 

Yes but will it be more good money going to waste?  For me redeveloping AG is like trying to revamp a run-down inner city high street, whearas AV would have been like getting a brand new shiny, easy access, easy parking out-of-town shopping centre.

 

You will always have the die-hards who will want to stay with the traditional (be that AG or high-street shopping), but to see an real increase in trade you have to have something that offers wider appeal, is comfortable, easy to get to, easy to park etc (i.e. AV or out-of-town shopping centre). 

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what do you think they've been doing and spenting millions on twiddling their thumbs?

If we've settle for the revamp it means there is no legal way we can win Ashton Vale, if the club want a new ground with Ashton Vale off the table then they have to move out of the city to severn side or portishead or something like that which isn't going to happen,

27k isn't the maximum we can have, its whats being banded around with 3 stands being devloped,

The club have silently been buying the houses and areas around the ground for years, if we started using the 27k max then they atyeo would be redevloped (if planning permission were to be agreed) filling in the corners and slightly highering the stand which would make it a capacity of problliy 30 - 32k which is the absolute max we could get on the current land we own,

Yes Ashton gate is the second option but it isn't a poor second option, the main revenue we are missing out on in footballing terms is conferencing and boxes something thats been incorprated into the re-design, thats the main reason we were never on a level playing field in terms of cash in the championship and thats the main reason we want a new/redevloped ground not some fancy hotel or nice housing estate but some boxes we can sell and make additional money on match days for both the rugby and the football club

Do we know the club have been buying up houses or just hearsay? Atyeo can't be increased in height as like the dolman of light problems for the residents.

Don't think we could fill in the corners for would mean the pitch wouldn't get enough light on it and as of next season with it being used double the amount needs lot of work on it even when it's moved.

We also need av for the hotel retail development there which makes extra money. Parking at ag is bad enough already, would the council let us build boxes conference facilities without looking into traffic management in the area.

Amount of money we would get from a few boxes is nothing compared to av, and with ffp next season in the championship as well we need as much revenue as possible to compete.

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I'm all for staying at Ashton Gate

 

I'd also like for us to struggle to stay in League 1 each year, with a massive debt hanging over our heads with no prospect of ever being a decent football club. Much better than having a new stadium we can be proud of, that will generate a steady flow of revenue, increase our crowds and get us to a standard of football that the likes of Reading enjoy.  :P

 

Totally respect your view, but I honestly can't understand why anyone would want us to stay at AG. 

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Do we know the club have been buying up houses or just hearsay? Atyeo can't be increased in height as like the dolman of light problems for the residents.

Don't think we could fill in the corners for would mean the pitch wouldn't get enough light on it and as of next season with it being used double the amount needs lot of work on it even when it's moved.

We also need av for the hotel retail development there which makes extra money. Parking at ag is bad enough already, would the council let us build boxes conference facilities without looking into traffic management in the area.

Amount of money we would get from a few boxes is nothing compared to av, and with ffp next season in the championship as well we need as much revenue as possible to compete.

 

With a dessa pitch it does need light and specialised clear roofs will help with this. In winter there are options to use lamps that sit just above the pitch to help the grass grow, similar use at Old Trafford.

 

With staying at AG I can see a hotel eventually being built on land currently used by the BCCT on match days in the Hirerite building. They can use this area as a hotel.

 

With retail, this is the area that will be lacking staying at AG as there is already a retail park next to AG plus there is no room to build.

 

As for buying houses backing on to the Ateyo. I don't think that will ever happen.

 

MM

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The one thing that we'll never be able to fix at AG no matter how many houses we but up is the transport links. With AV, people could have got on a train at Temple Meads and got off 5 minutes later at the stadium. That not only makes it more attractive to new/part time fans, but it makes it more attractive as a conference venue and hotel. We just can't replicate that at Ashton Gate, no matter how great it would be to stay there and redevelop

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The one thing that we'll never be able to fix at AG no matter how many houses we but up is the transport links. With AV, people could have got on a train at Temple Meads and got off 5 minutes later at the stadium. That not only makes it more attractive to new/part time fans, but it makes it more attractive as a conference venue and hotel. We just can't replicate that at Ashton Gate, no matter how great it would be to stay there and redevelop

that can be solved by re-opening Ashton Gate Station along the POD along with a station in Pill and Portishead, you can also catch the train from Parson St and Bedminster too if you cba to walk

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With a dessa pitch it does need light and specialised clear roofs will help with this. In winter there are options to use lamps that sit just above the pitch to help the grass grow, similar use at Old Trafford.

With staying at AG I can see a hotel eventually being built on land currently used by the BCCT on match days in the Hirerite building. They can use this area as a hotel.

With retail, this is the area that will be lacking staying at AG as there is already a retail park next to AG plus there is no room to build.

As for buying houses backing on to the Ateyo. I don't think that will ever happen.

MM

I agree, but do the plans for ag include clear roofs.

If we use the hirerite building for a hotel, where will the parking be for that and where do all the community activities go.

Just think at ag we are basically stuck regards space, unless we buy a load of houses and some of the retail park and that would work out so much dearer than av.

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