hortonred Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Just another thought on Sam's view of himself as "Not someone who heads a ball a lot." That would appear to be part of his psychological make-up, how he sees himself, the sort of footballer he is. So, over comes the ball on a Saturday, and here is Sam, and somewhere in his conscious, or sub-conscious thought, Sam's telling himself, as he meets the ball with the goal at his mercy, "I'm not someone that heads the ball a lot." Woops. So, next time Sam runs in on goal, just the keeper to beat, what is running through his mind? "I'm someone who misses these a lot," ?? Methinks Lansdown Snr might do well to invest a few bob in someone to work on the between-the-ears stuff. But someone top drawer, not one of the "League One" sports psychos. I reckon Baldock is intelligent enough, sufficiently at ease with himself, to be open to this? Why not just drop the bloke.He has cost us dear this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 He has got goals, and everyone seems to agree, even him, that he dould have got a few more. So here is the thing. Given its not entirely clear who we could play as an alternative that would knock them in for fun, what is our best chance of getting the best out of him? Boo, jeer etc, or give him support, notwithstanding his weaknesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Why not just drop the bloke.He has cost us dear this season.Yes great idea let's drop our top scorer! If only Cotterell had your astute footballing brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Regardless of how easy the chances are in your mind though Nogbad, do you seriously expect Baldock to have 26 league goals at this stage of the season? That is Messi or Ronaldo territory. I agree that he should have "some" more as should other strikers in the world (including JET - 1st minute on Saturday anyone?) but good strikers still miss gilt-edged chances, they have done ever since I started following football & they will do long after I turn to dust. I wouldn't have expected it at the beginning of the season Madger, but if he's had so many gilt edged chances then why not? It's not really a question of 26 being an incredible total at this stage of the season if he's had an extraordinary number of relatively straightforward chances, which in my view he has. There's no rule I know of that says it's somehow understandable to miss numerous chances just because you've got to double figures despite doing so. We all know he should be on alot more. I'd be very surprised if Baldock himself is anywhere near satisfied with his clear cut chances to goals ratio, and he himself would probably admit he should be on well over 20 by now. He's even said himself he's never before in his career been presented with the chances this City team has created for him this season, so amassing an extraordinary total by this stage would have been far from ridiculous had he been confident and on form. By the same token it's also not beyond the realms of possibility that he will notch a further 20 in the run in (if he gets his shooting boots on) should the chances keep coming at the same rate. Then he could end up with even more than Bob Taylor, and he'll no doubt have fired us to safety - so let's hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 The reality is that what you're defining as "gilt edged" and "clear cut" are merely decent chances, and if there were 22 of those plus the 14 he scored that's slightly better than most strikers do. The standard you're trying to hold him to is absurd and nobody would meet it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Headline in The Post "Bristol City's Sam Baldock aiming to be more clinical" But missed. Only joking ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 The reality is that what you're defining as "gilt edged" and "clear cut" are merely decent chances, and if there were 22 of those plus the 14 he scored that's slightly better than most strikers do. The standard you're trying to hold him to is absurd and nobody would meet it. That's your version of reality, mine is different. There are very few who disagree that he's been exceptionally blessed with an extraordinary number of takeable chances this season - including Baldock himself. The debate is only really about just how many more of those we could reasonably expect him to have taken. It's not absurd at all to believe he could, and should, have taken alot more, and it seems to me that if you're content to argue his conversion rate is acceptable then your expectations of Baldock are remarkably low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 That's your version of reality, mine is different. There are very few who disagree that he's been exceptionally blessed with an extraordinary number of takeable chances this season - including Baldock himself. The debate is only really about just how many more of those we could reasonably expect him to have taken. It's not absurd at all to believe he could, and should, have taken alot more, and it seems to me that if you're content to argue his conversion rate is acceptable then your expectations of Baldock are remarkably low. the top scorer in the league has 15 goals baldock has 12, your expectations are extremely high in fact only 3 players in the world meet them currently Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez, I can't see any of those dropping down for a league 1 relegation battle, The fact 2 players have have scored 2 thirds of our goals is the shocking thing and the fact we can't keep a clean sheet in the last 4 years is equally shocking, But still lets pick on one of our top scorers for missing chances even though he has one of the best strike rates in the league we are in, Bristol City trying to destroy good players since 1894 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 the top scorer in the league has 15 goals baldock has 12, your expectations are extremely high in fact only 3 players in the world meet them currently Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez, I can't see any of those dropping down for a league 1 relegation battle, The fact 2 players have have scored 2 thirds of our goals is the shocking thing and the fact we can't keep a clean sheet in the last 4 years is equally shocking, But still lets pick on one of our top scorers for missing chances even though he has one of the best strike rates in the league we are in, Bristol City trying to destroy good players since 1894 "Bristol City trying to destroy good players since 1894 "and largely succeding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 the top scorer in the league has 15 goals baldock has 12, your expectations are extremely high in fact only 3 players in the world meet them currently Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez, I can't see any of those dropping down for a league 1 relegation battle, The fact 2 players have have scored 2 thirds of our goals is the shocking thing and the fact we can't keep a clean sheet in the last 4 years is equally shocking, But still lets pick on one of our top scorers for missing chances even though he has one of the best strike rates in the league we are in, Bristol City trying to destroy good players since 1894 One of your worst posts ever I'm afraid monkeh. If the top scorer in this division has 15 goals then, on the chances we've witnessed, Baldock should be top scorer by some way. Simple as that, and no one's 'picking on' Baldock, or trying to 'destroy him' - quite the opposite, the AG crowd have been remarkably supportive, as has the manager, his team mates, and everyone else, while he's displayed some nightmare finishing. His conversion rate remains a valid discussion for this forum and there's really no need to drag down the thread with comments like the above. It does seem it's run it's course now though - apparently discussion and opinion on Baldock's missed chances simply isn't allowed, and anyone putting forward arguments that he should have done better MUST want to drive him out of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 One of your worst posts ever I'm afraid monkeh. If the top scorer in this division has 15 goals then, on the chances we've witnessed, Baldock should be top scorer by some way. Simple as that, and no one's 'picking on' Baldock, or trying to 'destroy him' - quite the opposite, the AG crowd have been remarkably supportive, as has the manager, his team mates, and everyone else, while he's displayed some nightmare finishing. His conversion rate remains a valid discussion for this forum and there's really no need to drag down the thread with comments like the above. It does seem it's run it's course now though - apparently discussion and opinion on Baldock's missed chances simply isn't allowed, and anyone putting forward arguments that he should have done better MUST want to drive him out of the club. To be honest I don't see the problem in having an opinion and constructive debate about it. Can people not accept that others may have a difference of opinion without wanting 'destroy him' What an utterly ridiculous and petulant statement. Don't say I didn't warm you Nogbad! Soon you will be accused of forcing him out of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 To be honest I don't see the problem in having an opinion and constructive debate about it. Can people not accept that others may have a difference of opinion without wanting 'destroy him' What an utterly ridiculous and petulant statement. Don't say I didn't warm you Nogbad! Soon you will be accused of forcing him out of the club Nogbad is forcing Baldock out . When he's missing tons of one on ones for another club it Will be Nogger's fault . Don't say you have n't been "warmed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Feel sorry for Baldock personally. Runs his socks off every game. As hes said is just going through a bad patch atm however has still scores a decent amount of goals. Imagine how many he will get in this league when hes inform. People need to remember hes still young as well will get better. Baldock when hes not scoring offers work rate and stretches the game with some clever off the ball runs. Same cant be said about jet who when he has an off day offers nothing. That being said we have two of the best strikers in this league the defence and midfield lets us down sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Same cant be said about jet who when he has an off day offers nothing. That being said we have two of the best strikers in this league the defence and midfield lets us down sadly. He had an off day Saturday yet could have scored and had assists - harsh to say that is offering nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Feel sorry for Baldock personally. Runs his socks off every game. As hes said is just going through a bad patch atm however has still scores a decent amount of goals. Imagine how many he will get in this league when hes inform. People need to remember hes still young as well will get better. Baldock when hes not scoring offers work rate and stretches the game with some clever off the ball runs. Same cant be said about jet who when he has an off day offers nothing. That being said we have two of the best strikers in this league the defence and midfield lets us down sadly.I think it's frustrating when you see SB miss chances. But I think most intelligent fans can See what a good little player he is. Remember this forum is not representative of your average fan. And there are a lot of attention seekers on here. If we can tighten up the defence, and if Jet and SB can keep scoring at the rate they have been. There is no reason we can't finish mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think it's frustrating when you see SB miss chances. But I think most intelligent fans can See what a good little player he is. Remember this forum is not representative of your average fan. And there are a lot of attention seekers on here. If we can tighten up the defence, and if Jet and SB can keep scoring at the rate they have been. There is no reason we can't finish mid table. Quite right, defence have been shocking for far to long now, Jet & Baldock must have more goals between them than any other pairing in the division (with the possible exception of the Coventry strikers) and still plenty of moaners on here complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Feel sorry for Baldock personally. Runs his socks off every game. As hes said is just going through a bad patch atm however has still scores a decent amount of goals. Imagine how many he will get in this league when hes inform. People need to remember hes still young as well will get better. Baldock when hes not scoring offers work rate and stretches the game with some clever off the ball runs. Same cant be said about jet who when he has an off day offers nothing. That being said we have two of the best strikers in this league the defence and midfield lets us down sadly. Apart from his off day Saturday that involved creating a chance for Cunningham that he should have done better with and 2 chances for Baldock that helped to spark the debate on this thread on whether he wastes too many chances. I've seen players have good games and do less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Apart from his off day Saturday that involved creating a chance for Cunningham that he should have done better with and 2 chances for Baldock that helped to spark the debate on this thread on whether he wastes too many chances. I've seen players have good games and do less. There have been games this season when its been like literally playing with one less player. I'm not saying hes a bad player there's no doubt ability wise hes the best we have. I'm just saying that his work rate is poor and his lack of movement off the ball is poor. I also think he slows down our play too much. But as mentioned its not the strikers we should be complaining about. If we kept more clean sheets we would be in a much better position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Well whoever started this thread must feel like a bit of a tit Well done Sammy and keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Sammy Baldock, finally found consistency, well done....keep it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Like I said in another thread, if Maybard had the same service that Baldock gets now he would of bagged 20/25 already this season. For the amount of chances he gets he is very much an a average striker IMO. And we all know your opinion means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Captain Baldock, show us the way! (and i thought, he is no captain) WRONG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 PS Sam Baldock Bristol City 18 Britt Assombalonga Peterborough United 17 Ryan Lowe Tranmere Rovers 17 Callum Wilson Coventry City 17 Leon Clarke Wolverhampton Wanderers 16 David Mooney Leyton Orient 16 Clayton Donaldson Brentford 15 Joe Garner Preston North End 15 Kieran Agard Rotherham United 13 Nicky Ajose Peterborough United 13 Chukwuemeka Aneke Crewe Alexandra 13 Jay Emmanuel-Thomas Bristol City 13 Cody McDonald Gillingham 13 Nouha Dicko Wolverhampton Wanderers 12 James Hanson Bradford City 12 Kevin Lisbie Leyton Orient 12 Franck Moussa Coventry City 12 Callum McGregor Notts County 11 Bakary Sako Wolverhampton Wanderers 11 Lee Frecklington Rotherham United 10 Danny Kedwell Gillingham 10 Moses Odubajo Leyton Orient 10 Tom Pope Port Vale 10 Marcello Trotta Brentford 10 Craig Westcarr Walsall 10 Good night xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 With ten games still to go, it is a brilliant achievement for Baldock that he could quite feasibly reach 20 league goals. He's played a big part in the positive parts of our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Well done Sam! Keep it going fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yep a lot of humble pie to be had here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SODS_LAW Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Not just a goal scorer, runs his socks off every second he's on the pitch. will miss him when he's gone. Well done Sammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yep a lot of humble pie to be had here A lot of self-indulgent w..kers on here too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 His quality should never have been questioned by anyone. His failure to convert chances earlier in the season was clearly more psychological than anything else. I'm glad Sam has got over that block and is now made a few people look very silly. Leading by example, and on a side note, also one of the most articulate footballers you'll ever listen to in pre/post-match interviews. We'll be extremely lucky to still have him next season, but hopefully he opts to stay if he continues to score in a team that is being built around him. From Cotterill's very first interview he was talking about getting the best out of Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 He said himself he'd never missed so many chances and should have scored many more - should Baldock himself be eating humble pie? Criticism from fans on forums when he misses a number of sitters, unbridled adulation when he's finding the net. That's the way of the world for strikers and goes with the territory. Nothing more and nothing less than Baldock would expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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