Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 We all can't wait for Labour to get their hands on the countries money and gold again. It's like giving your 9 year old the pin to your credit card.The irony of this is, this government have borrowed more in 4 years than the last Labour government did in 13 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The irony of this is, this government have borrowed more in 4 years than the last Labour government did in 13 years! That's to cover the interest on the debt that Blair and Brown racked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The irony of this is, this government have borrowed more in 4 years than the last Labour government did in 13 years! Yes but no illegal wars, kidnap and torture of UK citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes but no illegal wars, kidnap and torture of UK citizens. That's true Es, but remember they all voted for the war. As for the kidnap and torture stuff. If you go to a foreign country to engage in an irregular war, don't wear a uniform and join no recognised military unit you are a mercenary and not protected by the Geneva Convention. The Yanks could've saved themselves a lot of time and expense if they'd just shot them in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 That's true Es, but remember they all voted for the war. As for the kidnap and torture stuff. If you go to a foreign country to engage in an irregular war, don't wear a uniform and join no recognised military unit you are a mercenary and not protected by the Geneva Convention. The Yanks could've saved themselves a lot of time and expense if they'd just shot them in Afghanistan. Nobody voted for the kidnap and torture bit but the then wonderful socialist government (with a small blue 's') decided it was fine and dandy and as for killing them in Afghanistan, I think there is a marine sergeant who might just disagree about that as a policy having been cut adrift by the military and this government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Nobody voted for the kidnap and torture bit but the then wonderful socialist government (with a small blue 's') decided it was fine and dandy and as for killing them in Afghanistan, I think there is a marine sergeant who might just disagree about that as a policy having been cut adrift by the military and this government. Quite agree with all that, mate. My main point was that D Cameron et al cannot say that they bear no responsibility for the Iraq War. His party pressed for military action and voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Quite agree with all that, mate. My main point was that D Cameron et al cannot say that they bear no responsibility for the Iraq War. His party pressed for military action and voted for it. indeed on flawed, altered and sexed up intelligence from a pm, who was going to war come what may and who should be properly held to account for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 farrago n. 1 jumble: a confused mixture of things cleg n. 1. Another name for a horsefly, esp one of the genus Haematopota sums them up, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 indeed on flawed, altered and sexed up intelligence from a pm, who was going to war come what may and who should be properly held to account for his actions. The "dodgy dossier" was presented via an intelligence committee which is an all-party body. Blair has to take the lion's share of the blame, but don't let Conservatives or Lib Dems try to suggest they were misled into voting for the war. Blair's defence is he was misled by American intelligence who say they in turn were misled by Iraqi defectors. The fact is due diligence was not done by anyone as Dubya wanted and got a war to follow on from his daddy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 farrago n. 1 jumble: a confused mixture of things cleg n. 1. Another name for a horsefly, esp one of the genus Haematopota sums them up, really. What it really sums up is if the choice is Cameron, Clegg, Milliband or Farage by **** we are in trouble, you couldn't make a viable politician out the 4 of them blended and is a worse defence than BCFC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The "dodgy dossier" was presented via an intelligence committee which is an all-party body. Blair has to take the lion's share of the blame, but don't let Conservatives or Lib Dems try to suggest they were misled into voting for the war. Blair's defence is he was misled by American intelligence who say they in turn were misled by Iraqui defectors. The fact is due diligence was not done by anyone as Dubya wanted and got a war to follow on from his daddy's. I seem to recall a saying in the oval office 'the buck stops here', something Blair wouldn't know if it bit him on the arse, Blair's recent released conversation with Rebecca Brooks tells you all you need to know about how he got away with it and how he hopes she will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I seem to recall a saying in the oval office 'the buck stops here', something Blair wouldn't know if it bit him on the arse, Blair's recent released conversation with Rebecca Brooks tells you all you need to know about how he got away with it and how he hopes she will as well. wholeheartedly agree, Es. When I read about his advice to Brooks I was staggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes but no illegal wars, kidnap and torture of UK citizens. This could go on for ever if were going tit for tat! I haven't got the time today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Brown encouraged the HBOS takeover by LloydsTSB of course so probably felt morally obliged to bail them out with our money. No doubt if Osborne did the same thing we'd have to endure a raft of comments on the theme of helping out his banker chums. More than likely! I'm no apoligist for the last Labour government, far from it. Blair was a Tory as far as I'm concerned. Not as extreme as the current mob though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 More than likely! I'm no apoligist for the last Labour government, far from it. Blair was a Tory as far as I'm concerned.Not as extreme as the current mob though. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, kidnap and torture of one's own subjects is pretty extreme and funnily enough it formed part of Blair's evidence against Saddam Hussein, once he decided there were no weapons of mass destruction and he decided upon a policy of mass distraction to cover his tracks claiming regime change was always part of his strategy anyway and now we even know the enquiry he set up was a whitewash, not that it was ever in doubt but its good to have it confirmed from his own mouth but even now the middle east peace envoy keeps telling us Iraq is safer place today, although not on my holiday list or his I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, kidnap and torture of one's own subjects is pretty extreme and funnily enough it formed part of Blair's evidence against Saddam Hussein, once he decided there were no weapons of mass destruction and he decided upon a policy of mass distraction to cover his tracks claiming regime change was always part of his strategy anyway and now we even know the enquiry he set up was a whitewash, not that it was ever in doubt but its good to have it confirmed from his own mouth but even now the middle east peace envoy keeps telling us Iraq is safer place today, although not on my holiday list or his I suspect. Aint that the truth EMB. Blair should have had the same ending as Hussein, a proven liar who sent many British troops and innocent Iraqi women and children to their deaths. He tops the tree as the scummiest politician that has ever took office in this country. A real shit of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Aint that the truth EMB. Blair should have had the same ending as Hussein, a proven liar who sent many British troops and innocent Iraqi women and children to their deaths. He tops the tree as the scummiest politician that has ever took office in this country. A real shit of a man. and now protected by a labour party full of shit bags who went along for the ride and gutless labour voters, to blinkered to able to admit the truth, this is the same labour party who would enter into talks with the Spanish government over sovereignty of Gibraltar and no doubt Argentina over the Falklands, a government who expected support in government but never offer support in opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 and now protected by a labour party full of shit bags who went along for the ride and gutless labour voters, to blinkered to able to admit the truth, this is the same labour party who would enter into talks with the Spanish government over sovereignty of Gibraltar and no doubt Argentina over the Falklands, a government who expected support in government but never offer support in opposition. Or you could talk about the Labour government in the late 70's who sent a task force to the Falkland isles. A task force that stopped any Argentine thoughts of invasion. Unlike a few years later when ( again) Tory cuts ( HMS Endurance) gave the Argies the thoughts of invasion. War monger Thatcher then had her wishes granted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 and now protected by a labour party full of shit bags who went along for the ride and gutless labour voters, to blinkered to able to admit the truth, this is the same labour party who would enter into talks with the Spanish government over sovereignty of Gibraltar and no doubt Argentina over the Falklands, a government who expected support in government but never offer support in opposition. Actually, and I don't want to defend Labour over Iraq, but it was Callaghan who sent two nuclear subs to the South Atlantic when Argentina first threatened an invasion. Thatcher's actions in removing British citizenship from the Falklanders and decommissioning the only Royal Navy ship that was stationed in the area encouraged the junta to believe that the British had lost interest in defending the islands. Read about it in the staunch Conservative ex-Telegraph editor Max Hasting's book on the Falklands War. It's a cracking read incidentally. EDIT: PB made the points first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Aint that the truth EMB. Blair should have had the same ending as Hussein, a proven liar who sent many British troops and innocent Iraqi women and children to their deaths. He tops the tree as the scummiest politician that has ever took office in this country. A real shit of a man.Ah right,so Saddam Hussain hadn't already gassed to death thousands of his own innocent woman and children then ?? Who knows what he was going to do next. As Red Robbo says,Its not a defence of Blair, but someone somewhere would have eventually done something about Saddam Hussain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ah right,so Saddam Hussain hadn't already gassed to death thousands of his own innocent woman and children then ?? Who knows what he was going to do next. As Red Robbo says,Its not a defence of Blair, but someone somewhere would have eventually done something about Saddam Hussain. Well that's ok then Bill, if he did it, then so can we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well that's ok then Bill, if he did it, then so can we. Serious question,who was going to stop Saddam Hussein from killing his own people? Let's face it,it could have still been going on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well that's ok then Bill, if he did it, then so can we. I don't think we did gas thousands of Iraqi civilians. Let's face it, 99.99% of Iraqis have been killed by other Iraqis - in the name of sectarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't think we did gas thousands of Iraqi civilians. Let's face it, 99.99% of Iraqis have been killed by other Iraqis - in the name of sectarianism. His cousin wasn't nicknamed Chemical Ali for nothing was he. Saddam Hussain is one of the 20th century's most evil men. But it's ok,OTIB posters have proof that it was all the Labour Party fault!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 His cousin wasn't nicknamed Chemical Ali for nothing was he. Saddam Hussain is one of the 20th century's most evil men. But it's ok,OTIB posters have proof that it was all the Labour Party fault!! Are you trying to legitimise in some way our invasion of Iraq? Did we not stand by and watch Robert Mugabe kill his own, he didn't have the oil though did he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Are you trying to legitimise in some way our invasion of Iraq? Did we not stand by and watch Robert Mugabe kill his own, he didn't have the oil though did he. The scale is entirely different. Comrade Bob also hasn't invaded neighbouring countries. Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Not easy to get the better of this man, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 More than likely! I'm no apoligist for the last Labour government, far from it. Blair was a Tory as far as I'm concerned. Not as extreme as the current mob though. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown - like the Tories - are EU loving traitors. The following YouTube video is of Nigel Farage ripping into Gordon Brown when he was Prime Minister 5 years ago - never shown by the EU's BBC propaganda news and views agency.....I wonder why?? ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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