Loderingo Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 As people may be aware we operate under SCMP (salary cost management protocol) which limits clubs to spending 60% of their revenue on wages. Last year this worked against us we were stuck paying out for deadwood like Fontaine and Kilkenny. This summer we've finally been able to clear out the deadwood and this means SCMP can start working for us. If we look at the average attendances of clubs for 13-14 who will be in our division next year they are as follows: Sheff U 17.5k Bradford 14.1k CITY 11.9k Barnsley 11.6k (Champ) Preston 10.2k MK Dons 9.0k Donny 9.0k (Champ) Swindon 8.1k Yeovil 6.6k (Champ) P'boro 6.3k Chesterfield 6.3k (L2) Vale 6.2k Gillingham 6.2k Notts 5,5k Orient 5.5k Crewe 4.9k Walsall 4.8k Oldham 4.4k Scunny 4.0k (L2) Col U 3.7k Crawley 3.5k Rochdale 2.9k (L2) Fleetwood 2.8k (L2) Coventry 2.3k You would expect the relegated clubs' attendances to drop a bit and the promoted clubs' attendances to increase. The key take away from this is that City can potentially spend up to twice the amount of your average L1 club on wages and 3 times as much as some of the smaller clubs, This is no guarantee of success of course. Firstly just because the club can spend 60% of revenue on wages doesn't mean it will. Secondly you have to spend your money wisely. Rovers had one of the biggest potential budgets in League 2 and managed to get relegated. However, research has shown that while clubs under or over perform in the short term, in the long term the clubs who spend the most money tend to be most successful. There's been a lot of talk about Fleetwood and their big spending owner but they will struggle to get any further up the pyramid and will probably get relegated in a few years unless they can get more bums on seats. SCMP will take away an advantage of having a big spending owner. Why is this season a good opportunity? Because no bigger clubs got relegated (like Wolves the year before). While Donny and Yeovil are used to this league they will have to work under tighter constraints than us. If Mr Lansdown allows us to spend up to our cap and Mr Cotterill spends it wisely then we should be in with a good shout of the play offs at least. NB: I am assuming that while the rugby coming to AG may help cut costs it won't lead to any extra revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I confidently predict that next season will be OUR season - as I have done for the last 54 years. Once or twice, I've even been right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Quite agree. Plus Lansdown can still put money into the club in the form of equity for transfer fees, for example. He's always shown himself to be "willing" on that front. Cotterill has the basis of a decent, young squad already IMO and it sounds like he's going to add some experience with half a dozen or so permanent signings. Great opportunity to shape the squad to how he wants it and yes on paper as a club and with the quality of player we are able to bring in, a top 6 finish should absolutely be the aim and not an unrealistic expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I ,stupidly,think this every season .We could just as easily cock it up this year and next season have six new big hitters in the division and go up. Don't Forget this is City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I ,stupidly,think this every season .We could just as easily cock it up this year and next season have six new big hitters in the division and go up. Don't Forget this is City I often ,repeat myself as well. Sent from my frickin i phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KwoodCiderNut87 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 It would be a sound theory, if it just applied to the revenue from attendances. But to be fair our commercial and assets side of things is lacking considerably, so we might not necessarily have as much to spend (within FFP) as some clubs who get lesser attendances. That being said, its about time we had a season where we don't even think about relegation, so lets hope we spend well, regardless of our budget! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Average attendance's don't determine absolute revenues. In our numbers there are a lot of junior/family/student/OAP members who pay a lot less. Also transferred EastEnders seats are numerous and are well documented as the cheapest adult season tickets in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modmuffin Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 When the new east end or the other stands are built, surely Lansdown could use one of his "other" business to pump a massive sponsorship deal into the club for a year. A bit like what Man city did when they moved into the "Etihad", just a few hundred million say for a years deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 When the new east end or the other stands are built, surely Lansdown could use one of his "other" business to pump a massive sponsorship deal into the club for a year. A bit like what Man city did when they moved into the "Etihad", just a few hundred million say for a years deal! No need... Quite agree. Plus Lansdown can still put money into the club in the form of equity for transfer fees, for example. He's always shown himself to be "willing" on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I confidently predict that next season will be OUR season - as I have done for the last 54 years. Once or twice, I've even been right... It matters not what you think, what does the real pundit predict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I confidently predict that next season will be OUR season - as I have done for the last 54 years. Once or twice, I've even been right... I remember saying we would get into Europe at the start of our last season in the old Div 1, we all no how that ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 A frightening reminder of our (current) status when we see that only 5 (including BCFC) has attendances in excess of 10K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 A frightening reminder of our (current) status when we see that only 5 (including BCFC) has attendances in excess of 10K Under Osman, we used to get 7-8k in the equivalent championship. Out attendances have been good. Excellent, if you take into account recent failures on the pitch. A good season will see us getting 13-14k average next season (pretty much full house with the redevelopment going on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Under Osman, we used to get 7-8k in the equivalent championship. Out attendances have been good. Excellent, if you take into account recent failures on the pitch. A good season will see us getting 13-14k average next season (pretty much full house with the redevelopment going on) I wonder if the lack of seats will actually lead to higher attendances and people having to commit earlier to make sure they'd get in. Anyone know how the league would stand on restricting away numbers during redevelopment? A similar attendance to last year could mean seriously few matchday tickets for 'bigger' games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Aye and don't Bradford offer very cheap tickets? The OPs post is quite interesting though. Yes they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The key is a good start. 15 points after 18 games is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Another thing..... BCFC are seen as a 'Bigger' Club in this division. Players and Agents are going to have to realise and lower their expectations coming here, when it comes to wages. . Am I the only one who is not convinced we are thought of as a big club in this league by neutrals? Several teams in this league have played in the premiership or have even won things in the longer past. When Rovers fans claimed they were a big fish in league two we howled with laughter. The reality is Bristol does not have a big team. This is not a problem though....if we were size obsessed we would be following someone like Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kachina Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I often wonder if Ashton Gate will change it's name when the development is finished to the Hargreves & Lansdown Ashton Gate. Just so a good few mill can be added to annual turnover, via sponsorship revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Although we obviously need to show a big improvement next season it's the season after when we really need to go up. While we're comfortable in L1 with the salary cap if we get promoted to the Championship we'll struggle with the FFP rules especially if the stadium's like a building site with reduced capacity. If we start in the Championship in 2016/17 with the stadium development finished that would be ideal, if we got there a year earlier we might come straight back down because of financial constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 The key is a good start. 15 points after 18 games is not an option. So it's mass suicide if that happens? I honestly don't understand this "not an option" and "unacceptable" stuff. It reeks of Americanism to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 It matters not what you think, what does the real pundit predict? He's certain we'll reach the play-offs and is already investigating Wembley Stadium's policy on accompanied insectivores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I often wonder if Ashton Gate will change it's name when the development is finished to the Hargreves & Lansdown Ashton Gate. Just so a good few mill can be added to annual turnover, via sponsorship revenue. In reality, Hargreaves Lansdowne is a major PLC owned by its shareholders and with a strategic marketing plan built around developing positive brand awareness among its target market segment. If it was Joe Scrott's plumbing co owned by one person, the option to throw cash at the sole owner's plaything might be more viable. Assuming said owner had the funds freely available to divert away from the core business. So in my humble view we will not be attending the Hargreaves Lansdowne arena anytime soon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 In reality, Hargreaves Lansdowne is a major PLC owned by its shareholders and with a strategic marketing plan built around developing positive brand awareness among its target market segment. If it was Joe Scrott's plumbing co owned by one person, the option to throw cash at the sole owner's plaything might be more viable. Assuming said owner had the funds freely available to divert away from the core business. So in my humble view we will not be attending the Hargreaves Lansdowne arena anytime soon.... Nurse! crack open the natch...he's starting to talk sense....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chappers Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Not sure it will be our year, we are still in a state of flux and rebuilding both squad and ground. If we had gone up with the squad that finished last season, likelihood is that we would have struggled/ got relegated, better to build a squad that can not only go up, but also compete at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Not sure it will be our year, we are still in a state of flux and rebuilding both squad and ground. If we had gone up with the squad that finished last season, likelihood is that we would have struggled/ got relegated, better to build a squad that can not only go up, but also compete at a higher level. This is why it is imperative that we bring in the right players...one's that will grow with the team...they have to have experience but not be at the end of their careers. It's all well and good having a back bone of experience, but if you have to keep replacing them every year or two, because they are now too old, then it becomes of vicious circle of going no where fast. That's why I'm so peeved at El Abd being signed on a 3 and half year deal at 30 years old. If we are to gain promotion in the next couple years...what good, is a then 31/32 year old CB in the Championship that's not good enough for a Championship side at 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityboy Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 30 isn't old for a defender. Even 33 isn't over the hill really if he looks after himself. Unless you know the exact details if his contact - which you don't - then I see no reason for your pessimism regarding his purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I think Sheff Utd will walk it next season. I also think we will just make the play offs, that's a realistic target considering the players at helm and the budget we have over other clubs in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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