joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thought the SNP woman came across very well and actually had more balls than most of the rest of them put together. When surrounded by public school boys like Farage and Cameron I don't really think turning it off based on how those 3 sounded is very fair - maybe you should try listening to what they say instead of what their voice sounds like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I listened to them and they weren't great and as for more balls than farage and Cameron then she probably has,she's got milabands in her back pocket for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I didn't catch the debate but when I saw a photo of the line-up I thought it a little strange that the sitting PM was on the fringe of the set whilst Milliband got a front & centre position. Maybe Cameron actually benefitted as it looks like he is distancing himself from this farce. Is Cameron the new Ashley Cole? Positions on the set were drawn out of a hat. Number one was drawn by the greens etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Get used to it Nick if Ed gets a sniff she will soon be holding England to ransom, best of luck with that. Ed's mission is to actually beat her lot in Scotland. It seems that some have forgot about this! It's also funny how people accept that UKIP want to take the UK out of Europe. But can't accept that the SNP want to take Scotland out of the UK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ed's mission is to actually beat her lot in Scotland. It seems that some have forgot about this! It's also funny how people accept that UKIP want to take the UK out of Europe. But can't accept that the SNP want to take Scotland out of the UK! When things go wrong you blame everyone else, you never actually look at yourself, duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ed's mission is to actually beat her lot in Scotland. It seems that some have forgot about this! It's also funny how people accept that UKIP want to take the UK out of Europe. But can't accept that the SNP want to take Scotland out of the UK! Yes but I can't see Ed starring in mission impossible can you?, so needs a back up plan and i'm would consider a 2 tier Union as a good price to pay. PS:- SNP lost the ******* vote Bill and for the record I don't accept anything from UKIP they are *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 When things go wrong you blame everyone else, you never actually look at yourself, duh! Why would I be looking at myself ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Why would I be looking at myself ?? Oh no sorry, by you I meant when things go wrong people often don't want to look critically at their own country, not literally you! When things go wrong the first people to blame are everyone else - immigrants, (or the scots etc.) UKIP blame immigrants / anyone who isn't white middle class english, the scots blame us, we blame them back, everyone assumes just ignoring everyone else will solve all their problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Has bill just woke up from a year long siesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Oh no sorry, by you I meant when things go wrong people often don't want to look critically at their own country, not literally you! When things go wrong the first people to blame are everyone else - immigrants, (or the scots etc.) UKIP blame immigrants / anyone who isn't white middle class english, the scots blame us, we blame them back, everyone assumes just ignoring everyone else will solve all their problems Question, will you be happy or even believe it is correct having the SNP extorting more powers and more money out of labour/the electorate for their own political agenda and creating a 2 tier Union, with absolutely nothing in it for English voters, on a vote by vote basis?. or will you be nice and liberal by saying well let's wait and see? by which time it will be too late. They had their vote and they lost **** em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Has bill just woke up from a year long siesta I wish!! What I'm saying is that anything can happen in Scotland over the next few weeks. As this piece says,when the realisation kicks in to the Scottish people,that they may well get Cameron for another 5 years, a lot of Scots may change voting intentions.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/a-shocking-scottish-opinion-poll-reveals-that-labour-arent-dead-yet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Question, will you be happy or even believe it is correct having the SNP extorting more powers and more money out of labour/the electorate for their own political agenda and creating a 2 tier Union, with absolutely nothing in it for English voters, on a vote by vote basis?. or will you be nice and liberal by saying well let's wait and see? by which time it will be too late. They had their vote and they lost **** em. They are a political party, why is them doing it any worse than the lib dems when they formed a coalition with the tories? What exactly is it you're expecting to happen? People assumed the lib dems would have a stablising on the right leaning tories (who had more seats), why do you assume labour (who will have many more seats) will just bow down to the SNP (who will have far fewer seats)? If it prevents the tories getting another 5 years then yes, I would be happy with an SNP/Labour coalition. In my opinion another 5 years of Cameron and his ilk would be far more damaging to our country than a minor SNP influence. And god help us if UKIP get anywhere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Yes but I can't see Ed starring in mission impossible can you?, so needs a back up plan and i'm would consider a 2 tier Union as a good price to pay. PS:- SNP lost the ******* vote Bill and for the record I don't accept anything from UKIP they are *****. My point Esmond, the SNP haven't given up on another vote. The more MP's they get the more pressure they can assert for another vote for independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 They are a political party, why is them doing it any worse than the lib dems when they formed a coalition with the tories? What exactly is it you're expecting to happen? People assumed the lib dems would have a stablising on the right leaning tories (who had more seats), why do you assume labour (who will have many more seats) will just bow down to the SNP (who will have far fewer seats)? If it prevents the tories getting another 5 years then yes, I would be happy with an SNP/Labour coalition. In my opinion another 5 years of Cameron and his ilk would be far more damaging to our country than a minor SNP influence. And god help us if UKIP get anywhere near. Agreed, just imagine Cameron being PM for ten years,whilst never actually winning an election. I would take a Labour/SNP coalition,but just like our football team, anything can still happen in the next few weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 They are a political party, why is them doing it any worse than the lib dems when they formed a coalition with the tories? What exactly is it you're expecting to happen? People assumed the lib dems would have a stablising on the right leaning tories (who had more seats), why do you assume labour (who will have many more seats) will just bow down to the SNP (who will have far fewer seats)? If it prevents the tories getting another 5 years then yes, I would be happy with an SNP/Labour coalition. In my opinion another 5 years of Cameron and his ilk would be far more damaging to our country than a minor SNP influence. And god help us if UKIP get anywhere near. What utter nonsense, Ed said no coalition, so even contemplating it on a like for like basis as with the tories and lib dems is ridiculous, but Ed didn't rule out a vote by vote alliance to prop him up if he was a minority government and the SNP prefer that because they will be able to extort more and they will wield far more power. My point Esmond, the SNP haven't given up on another vote. The more MP's they get the more pressure they can assert for another vote for independence. You'd be happy paying and knowing that a country in our Union is significantly better off than England is? wow. What next UK to become first Islamic state in Europe?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 What utter nonsense, Ed said no coalition, so even contemplating it on a like for like basis as with the tories and lib dems is ridiculous, but Ed didn't rule out a vote by vote alliance to prop him up if he was a minority government and the SNP prefer that because they will be able to extort more and they will wield far more power. You'd be happy paying and knowing that a country in our Union is significantly better off than England is? wow. What next UK to become first Islamic state in Europe?. It doesn't worry me re Scotland doing ok out of it, especially if the money in this country is shared out more fairly than how it is now. Were not 'all in it together' that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 It doesn't worry me re Scotland doing ok out of it, especially if the money in this country is shared out more fairly than how it is now. Were not 'all in it together' that's for sure! You have to question which party actually wants to do something about it. They have all had a go in government and nothing has changed and I don't believe it ever will. Why would they go after their friends who fund their parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 You have to question which party actually wants to do something about it. They have all had a go in government and nothing has changed and I don't believe it ever will. Why would they go after their friends who fund their parties? Screech they all talk tough and deliver little and worst of all edit out of history portions of their past they would rather forget. Take for instance labours guff about the tories backdoor privatisation of the NHS, as Uncle Nick Clegg pointed out when he took down Harman and Burnham in one fell swoop in December last year, it was New Labour who instigated the process to outsource to tender Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Cambridgeshire a process started in 2007 and by the time the coalition took power in 2010 new labour had whittled the bidders from 12 to 6 and eventually to 3 and in it's whittling down from 6 to 3 took out the only NHS trust left in the bidding process ensuring it would end in private hands and the abject failure that it became, so it was new labours baby and hopefully a lesson learnt by the tories, though somehow I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Agreed, just imagine Cameron being PM for ten years,whilst never actually winning an election. I would take a Labour/SNP coalition,but just like our football team, anything can still happen in the next few weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Head in hands moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 union man bill will always vote labour that much is clear,each to their own,but I hope people army that blinded by loyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 When will we ever learn that governments come and go but the Civil Service is constant. Maggie Thatcher once said her favourite TV prog was ' Yes Prime Minister' as it portrayed as it really was. These faceless Sir Humphrey's are alive and well and are esconced more than the gas are in the Conference. Old Boy network is alive and well and will not give in, believe me I actually was an election agent in the 70's in a General Election in Bristol S.E and after that experience walked away from the dirtiest business I have ever seen, even worse than getting Sainsbury's to part with a bob or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Walked away with a boot up your ass you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 union man bill will always vote labour that much is clear,each to their own,but I hope people army that blinded by loyalty No no Joe,your wrong, just because I won't vote Tory, you shouldn't jump to assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 No no Joe,your wrong, just because I won't vote Tory, you shouldn't jump to assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 maybe maybe Davey,why wouldn't you vote Tory,and if I'm wrong and your not voting the socialists and by comments you have made about ukip then I will take a guess and say your voting for green :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Thanks to my old man who is old and bigoted I get fed with ukip propaganda fairly often. I have some sympathies with the cause, which probably makes me inherently racist, but for farage to make that comment about HIV was embarrassing. He probably figured that people with HIV must be one of them 'gays' and therefore less of a human than him. He has a point about health tourism, but to quantify it by highlighting a group who probably didn't exactly want HIV in the first place, to make a political point is rediculous.Can see where the old saying 'No Politics, No Religion' comes from as I'm realising how differently different people view our society, through this campaign. Like you, I have some sympathy for what Nigel Farage is saying. However, his chosen example to make his point made him look the complete c unt, in my eyes. This is going to go down as controversial but why are there no harder measured taken against non hard-working Britons? They seem to be no issue at the political table at all. Prisons are rife with them costing us, the tax payer, a fortune. The prison policy does need reform btw but there are generations of degenerative families, wholly reliant on the state and there's not a word mentioned about them by the UK Independent Party - or anybody else. The graft of some of our immigrants I've seen, on minimum pay with no training, puts some of our indigenous people to absolute shame! I'd like to see the un-span facts and stats put before me and a year off to digest it. Seems a holistic understanding is impossible to achieve on what is an excessively complex matter. Working out City is child's play in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 In my constituency, Mr A (the) Hun, isnt standing so I wont be voting, sorry. When I played football in the 60's and 70's I played right wing for a team on the Downs, I was so right wing I played on the adjacent pitch :laughcont: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Can see where the old saying 'No Politics, No Religion' comes from as I'm realising how differently different people view our society, through this campaign. Like you, I have some sympathy for what Nigel Farage is saying. However, his chosen example to make his point made him look the complete c unt, in my eyes. This is going to go down as controversial but why are there no harder measured taken against non hard-working Britons? They seem to be no issue at the political table at all. Prisons are rife with them costing us, the tax payer, a fortune. The prison policy does need reform btw but there are generations of degenerative families, wholly reliant on the state and there's not a word mentioned about them by the UK Independent Party - or anybody else. The graft of some of our immigrants I've seen, on minimum pay with no training, puts some of our indigenous people to absolute shame! I'd like to see the un-span facts and stats put before me and a year off to digest it. Seems a holistic understanding is impossible to achieve on what is an excessively complex matter. Working out City is child's play in comparison. UKIP have never said at any point they don't like or want immigration. They have always said they want CONTROLLED immigration, so Johnny Foreigner would still be over here working in our care homes and hospitals etc. etc. I have to give the Labour mouthpiece the BBC, full credit for continuing this state led propaganda. It's true I suppose that sling enough mud in a direction and it will stick. Anyway I have decided for the first time since I stupidly voted for Tony way back when, that I can place a vote, should I be bothered on the day. She came across as almost human in that room on TV, then again it wasn't difficult I suppose. The Greens will have my vote, based on their desire to look after the local communities first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 maybe maybe Davey,why wouldn't you vote Tory,and if I'm wrong and your not voting the socialists and by comments you have made about ukip then I will take a guess and say your voting for green I vowed I would never ever vote Tory ( not that I ever did!) because of the way Thatcher and her mob treated the likes of me. A few million others must have/do feel the same as me,because they haven't won a mandate to govern us for 18 years now. Hopefully this will carry on in May. To many of us over 45's who were thrown on the dole by Thatchers policies will never ever forgive the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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