Malago Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 You think Ferguson got rid of Beckham because of his footballing ability?? I do, it wasnt in the interest of Man U to keep him, given the attendant off field media circus. Which is exactly my point. If he had been the great player a lot of people thought he was, Ferguson would have moved heaven and earth to keep him. As it was he was more valuable selling shirts at Real Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I do, it wasnt in the interest of Man U to keep him, given the attendant off field media circus. Which is exactly my point. If he had been the great player a lot of people thought he was, Ferguson would have moved heaven and earth to keep him. As it was he was more valuable selling shirts at Real Madrid. Interesting that you have brought up George best as a comparisum and then you are criticising Beckham's media circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I do, it wasnt in the interest of Man U to keep him, given the attendant off field media circus. Which is exactly my point. If he had been the great player a lot of people thought he was, Ferguson would have moved heaven and earth to keep him. As it was he was more valuable selling shirts at Real Madrid. If they got rid of him because of his footballing ability surely they wouldn't of had him on their books for 10 years?? It's no secret that Beckham and Fergie had a strained relationship prior to his move, and it basically all spilled over in 2003. Obviously we will never know but Man Utd would of kept Beckham if they didn't have a falling out in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Beckham had an eye on moving anyway, and he hardly went to a rag ass Rovers club after United did he.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 No Aiz, I just think he's hugely over exposed and overrated. Would you pick him ahead of Gascoinge, Hoodle, Keegan, Peters, etc Without a shadow of a doubt I'd pick Beckham over .... Hoodle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Interesting that you have brought up George best as a comparisum and then you are criticising Beckham's media circus. That's a fair point. The only thing I would say is I don't think GB courted the media in the same way as the Beckham's. Also he was a far better player imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 If they got rid of him because of his footballing ability surely they wouldn't of had him on their books for 10 years?? It's no secret that Beckham and Fergie had a strained relationship prior to his move, and it basically all spilled over in 2003. Obviously we will never know but Man Utd would of kept Beckham if they didn't have a falling out in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Beckham had an eye on moving anyway, and he hardly went to a rag ass Rovers club after United did he..Fergie fell out with Beckham and got rid. As he did with Van Nistelrooy, Stam, Ince and probably a few others. Fergie didn't get rid of Beckham for footballing reasons, as the others mentioned. Not sure how anyone can slate Beckham. Dedicated, committed model pro who was able to play at the highest standard with 'the media circus' surrounding him the whole time. That could have had a detrimental affect on his whole career. He made a silly mistake at the World Cup in 98 and came back stronger for it. Some aspects of his game were world class, others were not. As mentioned I'm not sure who in football has over rated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Think this thread deserves an award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The older heads on here can vouch for this or not as it is many years before me but my old man states the most naturally gifted football player he's seen in England (and down at AG) was Frank Worthington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I can add OP to the long list of OTIBers who don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The greatest player I ever seen at the Gate was Liam Brady. Absolutely ran the show when Arsenal beat us 3-1 here. In all the years since I have never witnessed such a supreme or awesome performance. As for Beckham there is no doubting that he gave his all for England and in 2001, during qualifiers for the WC, he singlehandedly ran the midfield and got us into the finals...only to get injured just prior to the tourney and not be 100%. He was a great dead ball specialist, but as others have commented I have seen better England talents hardly get a look in at international level such as Hudson, Bowles, Worthington, Marsh and Currie. It goes to show what paucity of talent there is now in this Premier Lge age that our best players are guaranteed, injuries aside, of gaining 100 plus caps, whereas back in the 1970s our best players were lucky to make the subs bench a few times as there were so many great players around vying with them for the coveted spots on the pitch. Great though Beckham was, especially in 2001, I doubt he would've gained 100 caps competing with the likes of those already named and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The greatest player I ever seen at the Gate was Liam Brady. Absolutely ran the show when Arsenal beat us 3-1 here. In all the years since I have never witnessed such a supreme or awesome performance. As for Beckham there is no doubting that he gave his all for England and in 2001, during qualifiers for the WC, he singlehandedly ran the midfield and got us into the finals...only to get injured just prior to the tourney and not be 100%. He was a great dead ball specialist, but as others have commented I have seen better England talents hardly get a look in at international level such as Hudson, Bowles, Worthington, Marsh and Currie. It goes to show what paucity of talent there is now in this Premier Lge age that our best players are guaranteed, injuries aside, of gaining 100 plus caps, whereas back in the 1970s our best players were lucky to make the subs bench a few times as there were so many great players around vying with them for the coveted spots on the pitch. Great though Beckham was, especially in 2001, I doubt he would've gained 100 caps competing with the likes of those already named and others. Hudson, Bowles, Worthington, Marsh and Currie. Ability they might of had but there's a reason none of them won many honours or England caps Ohhhh yes the 70s , when we were so good we failed to qualify for two successive World Cups !!! Agree about Brady - saw that game and he took us apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 There have been numerous more naturally gifted players than Beckham. However, Beckham worked tremendously hard to make the very best of the talent he had and as a result made the very most of his career both with England and with some of the very best clubs ion the world. All too often people's dislike of Beckham, or more likely his celebrity lifestyle, clouds their judgement as far as his football ability is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I can add OP to the long list of OTIBers who don't have a clue. You can add me to any list you like. He certainly wouldn't get into my list of the 100 greatest players and I've seen enough to be confident of my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Thought you were making perfect sense until you contradicted yourself at the end.... 'You don't get over 100 caps for being overrated' you said 'Now he's an overrated player Gerrard' you said 'Clueless supporters who say crap like this really do make me wonder what fans we have' you said Hmmmm..... Yes I did but didn't mean it as in Gerrard isn't a world class player just Bristol born Liverpool supporters who think he's god making him the most overrated player.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 You can add me to any list you like. He certainly wouldn't get into my list of the 100 greatest players and I've seen enough to be confident of my opinion. Let 'red dave' think what he likes pal, you are most certainly not alone in your thoughts on ant Beckham trust me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 You don't get 100 caps for your country, play for Man Utd, Madrid and Ac Milan and be overrated. Whether he is overrated I think is up for debate. What isn't is that he sold millions of shirts and this is integral to a top club's desire to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 People who think David Beckham was overated are obviously clueless when it comes to football. Name a better crosser of the ball from England in the past 50 years? His commitment, work ethic are 2nd to none. You don't get over 100 caps for being overated! Cluesless supporters who say crap like this really do make me wonder what fans we have! Are you a closet Liverpool supporter or something that thinks Gerrard is the greatest ever player?! Now he's an overrated player Gerrard! Semantics. You can be a de facto world class player and still be over rated. Beckham was, just about, a world class player, but not as good as many think. Plus he was shit at going past anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Christ... some people let their dislike of the guy get ahead of his clear talent. He wasn't a 'winger' but he made Right Midfield his own my focusing on what he did do best. An absolute class act and a model professional who all the young kids these days could take something from. I don't think anyone is disputing Beckham's talent. He was a very, very good footballer. I think where the OP and others might be coming from is that because of his fame off-the-pitch he is talked about by people who don't really know football (ie: most of the media) as if he was England's best player for the last 50 years, which he patently wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Can we bend this thread now ffs x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I don't think anyone is disputing Beckham's talent. He was a very, very good footballer. I think where the OP and others might be coming from is that because of his fame off-the-pitch he is talked about by people who don't really know football (ie: most of the media) as if he was England's best player for the last 50 years, which he patently wasn't. I hear you, but I haven't seen anyone claim he is that, therefore how can they have overrated him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 You can add me to any list you like. He certainly wouldn't get into my list of the 100 greatest players and I've seen enough to be confident of my opinion. So? Nor would I. Still a fantastic player. You do know football didn't start in 1995 yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I hear you, but I haven't seen anyone claim he is that, therefore how can they have overrated him? Not on here you won't, I mean among the non-football loving general public. You must admit, it's his looks and celebrity wife that have made him Britain's wealthiest and most A-list sportsman, not his on-field career. There are two sides to it though, I suppose, and if Beckhamania helps interest young kids in football that's not a bad thing. Provided they support their local team, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hudson, Bowles, Worthington, Marsh and Currie. Ability they might of had but there's a reason none of them won many honours or England caps Ohhhh yes the 70s , when we were so good we failed to qualify for two successive World Cups !!! Agree about Brady - saw that game and he took us apart To be fair to a very good England team of the 1970s, it was in the days when the World Cup finals only had 16 teams comprising of 14 qualifiers, the hosts and the defending champs. Thus, world cup qualifying groups were a lot harder to win. In the 1974 qualifiers were were very, very unlucky to be knocked out by Poland who finished 3rd in the 74 finals. In the 1978 qualifiers we were knocked out by Italy on goal difference despite beating them 2-0 at Wembley, mainly through our failure to stuff Luxembourg as the Italians had done. In the 1978 finals Italy made it to the semis. Thus we were knocked out very narrowly by two teams who both went on to make the semis. Nowadays with more than double the amount of qualifying places up for grabs it's a far easier proposition trying to make it to the finals. I firmly believe that despite our 'failure' to make the 74 and 78 World Cups England were always in the top half dozen international teams in that decade. This couldn't be said of the England Beckham played for, despite his, at times, valiant efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Numero Uno Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I would have Beckham in my side over Ralph Milne every single day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 One of the very best at making the most of the talent he'd been blest with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come on Eileen Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 You can add me to any list you like. He certainly wouldn't get into my list of the 100 greatest players and I've seen enough to be confident of my opinion. I'm 60 and haven't seen 100 great footballers, of those I have seen not many are English...Charlton and Banks with probably Best the best of the other Brits, (although John Galley in his first season with us performed some pretty heroic deeds) in the next strata Beckham would be right up there with the best of the rest if for no other reason what he did counted and was effective. There are loads of players spraying great balls around in their own half, running themselves into the ground furthering lost causes and scoring consolation goals but Beckham hit killer passes, his Greece display was incredible and his goals often sealed wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUMMAT OUTTA NOWT Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The thread title is very misleading. For me it covers 75% of the current Prem League with Gerrard, Balloteli, most of current Man Utd squad as stand outs. As for Beckham he carried England on many an occasion but just because he has an attraction to a stick we should not judge. Do as I do and not read the press ( Over Ten Years now ) and that way he won,t upset you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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