BCFC Jimmer Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Another dream my friend. 3-2-1 you're back in the room. Not bothered about the way we are going? Are you on 150k a year like Aussie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Rail fares are an odd one. I do believe in a nationalised rail, but when you look at the % of the population that actually use the network, it's very small. Hard to justify spending more on it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Not bothered about the way we are going? Are you on 150k a year like Aussie? Not at all, what I am bothered about is dreamers like yourself, who talk about speeches, policies and the like but deep down knowing that Corbyn just like Miliband, Kinnock and Foot leaves the tories to just do what they always do and over a long period of time because the labour party eats itself every 25 years or so until the dreamers actually get the message that you cannot gain power with unelectable leaders, as in the 70's and 80's the country needs a strong credible opposition and what does it get, a party who have come up with an idea that if you advertise on Facebook that your parents are on holiday and the house is free and you are having a party that 1,000's won't descend upon that house and trash it, the labour party are the Bristol Rovers of politics, they are unfit for purpose, but you think that Corbyn will somehow persuade the electorate like you believed Ed would, the labour party are the problem not the tories because the tories are no different to what they have ever been and the country trust them more than the ridiculous leaders that the labour party and the gatecrashers elect, it's that simple for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It starts - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/17/jeremy-corbyn-wife-mail-on-sunday_n_7997388.html?1439821658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Rail fares are an odd one. I do believe in a nationalised rail, but when you look at the % of the population that actually use the network, it's very small. Hard to justify spending more on it imo. More people used the railways last year than at any time since 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 More people used the railways last year than at any time since 1919. yeah your point? It's a small % of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 yeah your point? It's a small % of the population. And increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Bill Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It starts - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/17/jeremy-corbyn-wife-mail-on-sunday_n_7997388.html?1439821658 Exactly! The MoS article is typical and is about a Corbyn's life 36 years ago. Is there no depth the MoS will descend to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 More people used the railways last year than at any time since 1919. And how many more would use them if they weren't so ridiculously expensive? It would be nice if the public services in this country were judged by their value to the public rather than their value to shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Most people avoid the railways because of cost, make them affordable and many more people would use them. As football fans that's an easy argument to get your head around. I'm not bothering with the Leader debate(I can get that at home), I will say one thing, it is a breath of fresh air someone actually getting back toward the original socialist ideas though instead of being Tory-lite. It would also be a change for the Leader to be un-electable rather than the whole party. That's me done , I'm off back to the million page transfer thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If trains would be well used under public control, why weren't they when they were under public control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If trains would be well used under public control, why weren't they when they were under public control? Because they were drastically underfunded. As soon as they were flogged off to private companies, money mysteriously became available from the Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BCFC Jimmer Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Its very difficult to predict what the future will hold for the labour party, and for politics in general. As I have said, the Tories have already done some pretty messed up things since getting re-elected. They are looking into privatizing the student loan company completly and sold the last remaining public ownership of the Royal Mail. When they told us they were going to get rid of the deficit they didnt really tell us how. What worries me is that they are running out of things to sell. Whats next - Hospitals, Schools? I am adamant that if they keep this up a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party is going to be a popular choice for the honest working man and specifically young people. Despite the parties previous mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Bill Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Its very difficult to predict what the future will hold for the labour party, and for politics in general. As I have said, the Tories have already done some pretty messed up things since getting re-elected. They are looking into privatizing the student loan company completly and sold the last remaining public ownership of the Royal Mail. When they told us they were going to get rid of the deficit they didnt really tell us how. What worries me is that they are running out of things to sell. Whats next - Hospitals, Schools? I am adamant that if they keep this up a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party is going to be a popular choice for the honest working man and specifically young people. Despite the parties previous mistakes. And today it was (quietly) announced they are flogging off the states share in the Kings Cross development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BCFC Jimmer Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Andy Burnham started the process that ended in the first ever privately owned NHS hospital and that worked well didn't it, he's a another labour hypocrite, something he left out of his leadership manifesto. Its all relative though isn't it? Sure, tories and labour are always going to cross over on certain polcies. But would I trust the tories to not sell all our schools and hospitals? Not a chance. Labour might dabble in it but never going to be as extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Colis, why does the student loan company need to be publicly owned? Because young people are already getting a raw deal. By privatizing the loan company its likely that the interest rates will go up and graduates will be hassled for loan repayments. You know, the way stuff usually goes when privatized - maximise profits whilst the bottom feeders get bent over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Because young people are already getting a raw deal. By privatizing the loan company its likely that the interest rates will go up and graduates will be hassled for loan repayments. You know, the way stuff usually goes when privatized - maximise profits whilst the bottom feeders get bent over. The interest rates have been going up since loans were first issued. I know, I went to university in the first year we had to get loans and my interest rate has been inching up ever since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Its all relative though isn't it? Sure, tories and labour are always going to cross over on certain polcies. But would I trust the tories to not sell all our schools and hospitals? Not a chance. Labour might dabble in it but never going to be as extreme. Show me a NHS hospital that the tories have privatised, that's the only thing that is relevant, I can offer you Hinchingbrooke hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The interest rates have been going up since loans were first issued. I know, I went to university in the first year we had to get loans and my interest rate has been inching up ever since http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,6678642&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL I've not looked at student loans before as it's not something that has ever affected me..looking at this table, what is it I'm missing here as the rate seems to have been steady for some time? Just interested to know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Daily Record front page today. "It must be Corbyn" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,6678642&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL I've not looked at student loans before as it's not something that has ever affected me..looking at this table, what is it I'm missing here as the rate seems to have been steady for some time? Just interested to know how it works. Evidently it doesn't work how I thought it did! I don't recognise those interest rates from my loan statements, but I haven't given it a great deal of thought in recent years as it's taken from my PAYE deductions before tax. I'll try and dig out a 'statement' next time I'm in the filing cabinet. To be honest, I don't think student loans and fees as I had to do them were that bad. There's was a lot of pushing back against the idea of a 'graduate tax', but that's essentially what I pay now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Show me a NHS hospital that the tories have privatised, that's the only thing that is relevant, I can offer you Hinchingbrooke hospital. You have missed my point though. You can cherry pick one example, but there are countless other cases of tories privatizing aspects of the nhs - I saw another one the other day and there are more to follow. Tory = exponential privatisation of all public services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Show me a NHS hospital that the tories have privatised, that's the only thing that is relevant, I can offer you Hinchingbrooke hospital. Wasn't Hinchingbrooke 'privatised' (though as I understand it, it was only A&E that was actually 'privatised') in 2012 under the Tory led coalition, when the DoH was under the control of a Tory minister? Sorry, that might have been the point you were making, I just misinterpreted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 You have missed my point though. You can cherry pick one example, but there are countless other cases of tories privatizing aspects of the nhs - I saw another one the other day and there are more to follow. Tory = exponential privatisation of all public services. Jesus are you an MP, I am talking about an actual HOSPITAL. Wasn't Hinchingbrooke 'privatised' (though as I understand it, it was only A&E that was actually 'privatised') in 2012 under the Tory led coalition, when the DoH was under the control of a Tory minister? Sorry, that might have been the point you were making, I just misinterpreted Yes the coalition signed it off, Burnham spent 18 months setting it all up and by the time the coalition took power the bidding process (under labour) had reach 3 preferred (preferred by labour) bidders, one of the bidders pulled out leaving 2. Burnham tried to bullshit his way out of it, but it rather dents his attacks on the tories over the NHS, when he is the only health secretary in history who privatised an actual hospital. Imagine the joy that the tories must have had the day the coalition took over government, a guinea pig already set up in an unstoppable process, if it worked 'look we told you that privatisation would work', if it fails which it spectacularly did 'don't blame us, blame labour, they privatised it", it must have been a tory wet dream handed to them by the Bristol Rovers of politics. it was such a huge gaffe by Burnham/new labour that even Cleggy was able to make him look stupid. http://health.spectator.co.uk/who-privatised-hinchingbrooke-hospital-and-does-it-matter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Jesus are you an MP, I am talking about an actual HOSPITAL. Do you have to be an MP to understand that a Tory government will look to privatize everything, whilst in general a Labour government won't? Naming one example of Labour privatization isn't exactly a groundbreaking discovery. Certainly not a reason to rule out voting for them if you want public services to remain intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 We need a healthy dose of socialism to close the gap between the rich and poor and to nationalise the railways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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