Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 On the plus side only 30 minutes to go to the next instalment of LVG torture. Quote Link to comment
KeepUpLino Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, havanatopia said: 4-0 FT ... thought we would lose but also thought we might come out angry after Charlton.. seems like a depressing whimper. Lacking quality all across the pitch, confidence is obviously a major worry now and dispensing with Wade Elliott and a bunch of other players close season before their replacements were brought it is looking somewhat awkward on the Cotts copybook. I am sure he has reason but surely you have to hold on to what you have before finding a replacement. January is do or die now for him and for City.. got to get it right. Your kidding right... Cotts needs to go and now, new manager, new ideas.. Let's get someone who can attract decent players in this league 1 Quote Link to comment
OddBallJim Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Its getting very hard now to maintain belief in the manager as a fan, when he can't seem to drag our lads heads out pf the sand. We are bereft of confidence and I am failing to see how the current management and coaching staff are addressing or at least hope to address this. Quote Link to comment
NorfolkInChance Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 For all the people that keep saying out squad isn't strong enough, etc just look at how Preston seem to be doing with what is a squad like ours or even worse.... The time for excuses is now over and it's time to act. Do we give Cotts money in Jan (can't see anything exciting happening anyway) or do need need aa change at the top? Difficult one but there should be no sentiment involved whichever way it goes... Quote Link to comment
lenred Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 6 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: Your kidding right... Cotts needs to go and now, new manager, new ideas.. Let's get someone who can attract decent players in this league Exactly this. Why people are still defending him and his inept running of our football team is beyond me. He needs to go and we need a proven champ manager brought in preferably before next weekend. We are certain to go down if we don't do it. We still have a chance if we make the change. Quote Link to comment
Shtanley Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'd give him until after Middlesborough at home, if things haven't improved I think I'd be edging into the Cotts out camp. That way it allows the new manager to have the back end of January Quote Link to comment
samo II Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 We now have fewer points than after 24 matches compared to last time we were at this level (21 compared to 22), and we all know how that season panned out. In our home game against Burnley there was a case to be made we were undone by a couple of slack moments on set pieces, and we at least fought to get a consolation goal - today we were brushed aside; that does not equal progress, by any measurement. Also worth noting that Burnley were also in a run of form as poor as our own before this game, so it's not like we've met them at the 'wrong time' - they'll probably not hit as bad a patch as this for a while, so this was likely an opportunity for us, despite the fact I had no faith we'd get anything today. I don't know what to think right now; I don't any other manager is getting more from the players we have, as I don't think the players we have are good enough to keep us up on their own - we need players of the right quality to make us competitive, and need them now (and several of them) - without quality additions, we should accept it will be a long remainder of the season, and that relegation is highly likely. Quote Link to comment
Ivorguy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Criticised by some on otib before ko for being a pessimist, I answered that I, and others, were in fact realists It gives me little satisfaction to say I was right SC must go. If he has any decency he will resign, but sadly I guess he will have to be sacked Yet I despair of our Board, of whom I have been consistently critical, for their deafening silence, this season. But now they MUST act I really fear that, again as I have been saying for a long time, I think SL and The Board are happy with third division football I haven't felt like this since we hurtled down from first to fourth division in successive seasons Please someone, anyone, cheer me up but please don't mention the January window; Even if we identify the right players and make an acceptable bid, who would want to come and join this sinking ship ? Quote Link to comment
wallaceboy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 30 minutes ago, Nube Rojo said: SL is hopefully beginning to see the real possibility of League 1 and a 27K stadium Premiership derbys with Gloucester and bath could well be tho. Quote Link to comment
steviestevieneville Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'd give him until after Middlesborough at home, if things haven't improved I think I'd be edging into the Cotts out camp. That way it allows the new manager to have the back end of January What good is that. If we are going to get someone in then he will need the whole month of the transfer window. I hoped it would work out for him but it isn't. Serious lack of flexibility to his management 1 Quote Link to comment
joe jordans teeth Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 If he hasn't lost the dressing room God forbid when he does,4 nils will be good results,gutless and spineless the lot of em Quote Link to comment
Flagon Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I completely get why some want Cotts gone but I don't think another manager coming in would make any difference other than shifting some players around in different formations and maybe giving other players a chance. I don't personally feel the current squad in whatever formation is good enough. It might just about be good enough to avoid relegation but that's it. Any new manager would need exactly the same as Cotts. New players. I just hope we can get some in before it's too late. God knows what happened that the summer transfer window went spectacularly wrong but we really need to move on and focus on what is in front now. Right now I think a change of manager would be even more disruptive. They've got to focus on getting some players, stay in the division, add in the summer aswell and then we will see where Cotts can take them. 5 Quote Link to comment
ChippenhamRed Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Unless we already have someone lined up, there would be absolutely no point in dismissing Cotterill now - though I completely understand the temptation. We simply cannot have a period without a manager with the transfer window just days away. On that basis I think we will stick with him. My biggest concern therefore is how do we expect a manager who had an entire summer and the momentum of a title-winning season to buy players, and failed, to now sign players in a single month with the side in the relegation zone? Quote Link to comment
havanatopia Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Loved what Terry had to say... not all accurate but thats not the point.. loved his passion. Good on you mucker. Quote Link to comment
EDoubleD Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I think we need to give cotts money to spend. We bought the lowest number of players of any championship club this season - and that's in a division that includes Blackburn and forest who were on embargoes plus Bolton and Birmingham city who have no money. we're in a league with 9 (I think) teams that have been in the prem in the last 5 years, and Add to that Brighton, boro, Wednesday, Derby and Leeds who all have a net spend for this season of over £4million. This is a tough league, but the manager has not been supported to improve the team. If he doesn't improve it in Jan then he should go. spending money paying him off then giving the new manager money would be an even bigger gamble. We'd be better letting cotts spend the money. Quote Link to comment
Shtanley Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 12 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: What good is that. If we are going to get someone in then he will need the whole month of the transfer window. I hoped it would work out for him but it isn't. Serious lack of flexibility to his management Yeah but I don't want to get rid of him. Although I do blame Cotts for the general transfer failings. Clearly a bit too optimistic with his targets. Quote Link to comment
havanatopia Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 12 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Criticised by some on otib before ko for being a pessimist, I answered that I, and others, were in fact realists It gives me little satisfaction to say I was right SC must go. If he has any decency he will resign, but sadly I guess he will have to be sacked Yet I despair of our Board, of whom I have been consistently critical, for their deafening silence, this season. But now they MUST act I really fear that, again as I have been saying for a long time, I think SL and The Board are happy with third division football I haven't felt like this since we hurtled down from first to fourth division in successive seasons Please someone, anyone, cheer me up but please don't mention the January window; Even if we identify the right players and make an acceptable bid, who would want to come and join this sinking ship ? Right about what exactly? You were a pessimist before, you still are; you wanted Cotts out, i think you said that before, and you still want him out. Criticism or fact matters little; I do not see any reason to attempt to be deferential given its your own opinion. You look more smug than anything. Odd. Go and enjoy new year.. more things in life than football. There. Cheer up, its not the end of the earth. 4 Quote Link to comment
Red Exile Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 If we get out of this it will be little short of a miracle. I've followed the club through some dreadfully depressing seasons in the past…early 80s taking the biscuit…and what they've had in common with this season is the simple fact that from the off the squad hasn't been up to the job. I feel sorry for the fans…and for the players who did such a good job earlier in the year. Shambles. Quote Link to comment
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 24 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I'd give him until after Middlesborough at home, if things haven't improved I think I'd be edging into the Cotts out camp. That way it allows the new manager to have the back end of January Is this you on RB now @Shtanley? Quote Link to comment
steviestevieneville Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Yeah but I don't want to get rid of him. Although I do blame Cotts for the general transfer failings. Clearly a bit too optimistic with his targets. No sentiment in football though. He doesn't change formation, he's pig headed to say the least. Look at today, 2-0 at half time we obviously need to go for because we were getting thumped anyway. We have a proven championship striker on the bench and he doesn't even get on. As regards the summer, you are right. Who chooses the transfer targets, the manager. SL has already stated the money was there for wages. Quote Link to comment
Shtanley Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Is this you on RB now @Shtanley? Yeah mate, rambled on a bit. Quote Link to comment
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Yeah mate, rambled on a bit. Sounded good, agreed with what you said - apart from you not being a huge fan of otib ! 1 Quote Link to comment
ChippenhamRed Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 13 minutes ago, EDoubleD said: I think we need to give cotts money to spend. We bought the lowest number of players of any championship club this season - and that's in a division that includes Blackburn and forest who were on embargoes plus Bolton and Birmingham city who have no money. we're in a league with 9 (I think) teams that have been in the prem in the last 5 years, and Add to that Brighton, boro, Wednesday, Derby and Leeds who all have a net spend for this season of over £4million. This is a tough league, but the manager has not been supported to improve the team. If he doesn't improve it in Jan then he should go. spending money paying him off then giving the new manager money would be an even bigger gamble. We'd be better letting cotts spend the money. Why do we keep hearing this "manager has not been supported to improve the team"?! The board sanctioned enormous bids for players last summer, bids that shocked us all at the time. Very few other clubs in the division were bidding those sort of sums. Furthermore Lansdown has gone on record since to say that wages were not the issue with Gray, it was his preference to join a rival with realistic promotion prospects. If that isn't support, what is? Quote Link to comment
bristolcitysweden Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Things need to improve dramatically Quote Link to comment
hollydog Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 This team is beaten before kick off. SC has effectively undermined any residue of self confidence by saying in the press that he can't ask any more of his players. So they were as good as they could be and couldn't beat bottom of the table Charlton - how could they win today? He sent out similar message before the Derby game through his team selection and - in particular - dropping Kodja. He had effectively signalled before kick off that we weren't even going to try and win. Ditto when we went down to ten men v Blackburn. The reshuffle effectively signalled to Blackburn that we didn't think we could win the game. Ditto the lack of subs until it is too late - the message is that the potential replacements are no better than the first ii which he's admitted aren't good enough. I've been prepared to back SC until now but I honestly think that squad morale has been mortally wounded and it is difficult to see how that can be reversed without a change of manager. Quote Link to comment
Murraysrightplum Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Now or never to go as need to give new guy the whole window. If SL sticks with him fair play but he'll have to live with that decision Quote Link to comment
tts_city Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 He thought we were the better team first half and doesnt want to talk about signing new players in case it upsets his group of lads, mystifying. Quote Link to comment
Andy082005 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) 2 minutes ago, tts_city said: He thought we were the better team first half and doesnt want to talk about signing new players in case it upsets his group of lads, mystifying. Please tell me he didn't say this? Please tell me this is a "whoosh" moment by me? Edited December 28, 2015 by Andy082005 Quote Link to comment
hollydog Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 42 minutes ago, samo II said: We now have fewer points than after 24 matches compared to last time we were at this level (21 compared to 22), and we all know how that season panned out. In our home game against Burnley there was a case to be made we were undone by a couple of slack moments on set pieces, and we at least fought to get a consolation goal - today we were brushed aside; that does not equal progress, by any measurement. Also worth noting that Burnley were also in a run of form as poor as our own before this game, so it's not like we've met them at the 'wrong time' - they'll probably not hit as bad a patch as this for a while, so this was likely an opportunity for us, despite the fact I had no faith we'd get anything today. I don't know what to think right now; I don't any other manager is getting more from the players we have, as I don't think the players we have are good enough to keep us up on their own - we need players of the right quality to make us competitive, and need them now (and several of them) - without quality additions, we should accept it will be a long remainder of the season, and that relegation is highly likely. Spot on. Burnley had only one once in seven before today (v Charlton) and yet they rolled us over with barely a whimper. All vey well Cotts dying how good their squad is but their form was as poor as ours. asSamo says - we're going backwards rather than making progress. Quote Link to comment
exAtyeoMax Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 19 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Yeah mate, rambled on a bit. Shame we couldn't hear your final statement though. What were you saying? Quote Link to comment
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