Shtanley Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I wonder if he'll bring Roofe with him. Presumably he was the one that got him there from West Brom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Can someone enlighten me to how this chap is going to play such a vital role? I do not doubt that he will but I'm struggling to understand what he does? Burt finds the players I'm sure we all agree on. Then what? This Ashton butters up the player and agent to get them to sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 37 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I wonder if he'll bring Roofe with him. Presumably he was the one that got him there from West Brom? Nice research Shtan. ....and would've been at West Brom when Pearson there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, pride of the west said: Can someone enlighten me to how this chap is going to play such a vital role? I do not doubt that he will but I'm struggling to understand what he does? Burt finds the players I'm sure we all agree on. Then what? This Ashton butters up the player and agent to get them to sign? Pretty much it in a nutshell I think. At the end of the process, SL pops in and signs the cheque and the job`s a good `un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Nice research Shtan. ....and would've been at West Brom when Pearson there too. Afraid not! Roofe would've been 12 when Pearson was caretaker for 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Afraid not! Roofe would've been 12 when Pearson was caretaker for 4 games. No, I was linking Ashton to Pearson. My research ain't that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, I was linking Ashton to Pearson. My research ain't that bad! Ohhhhh sorry Yes he would've been haha. I wonder whether Pearson would like having someone like Ashton. I doubt we'll get Pearson if we're after a young head coach type. I'm gonna guess we get a Southgate type person. Maybe even Southgate himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Are we assuming Stockhausen is ITK. Nothing against the bloke, but I think the press would be the last people we would give any insight to in fear of us not getting the man we want. Monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, cynic said: Mr. Ashton will be dead keen to get someone in PDQ to get people on side. I reckon we'll see a new player in early doors this week. Agree. He said the word 'imminently'....putting himself on the line if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Are we assuming Stockhausen is ITK. Nothing against the bloke, but I think the press would be the last people we would give any insight to in fear of us not getting the man we want. Monk? Stockhausen is actually ITKT (In The Knights Templar!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Mr Ashton has previously worked with Appleton and Pearson. As I said in another thread I believe it's probably being battled out with whether we want a Head Coach or Manager. But that maybe last weeks news. Lets see if anymore names crop up other than these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 David Dein had an epiphany whilst playing Charades with the young Monaco manager, Arsene Wegner ("Arsene for Arsenal, it's destiny") one evening and appointed Wegner on the basis of this. Clearly, things at AG have been a bit of a "charade" for a while now, and bringing in Ashton can only mean one thing: Mark Robins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 39 minutes ago, RedM said: Mr Ashton has previously worked with Appleton and Pearson. As I said in another thread I believe it's probably being battled out with whether we want a Head Coach or Manager. But that maybe last weeks news. Lets see if anymore names crop up other than these two. And I think this is at the heart of the apparent conflicts in the club. Before I put the following scenario before you, I should say I am far from being ITK, have hardly ever spoken to anyone in and around the club in my 50 years of supporting so this is all supposition, but this is how I see have occurred and what might have happened. ---------------------------------------------------- 1. The 5 pillars was put in place due to the lack of a cohesive long term plan (LTP), Mark Ashton was tasked with assisting/designing this and it was seen as the future of the club. 2 In the short term both DMC and SOD, struggled to produce results, which to a certain extent is understandable because LTP's don't always produce short term improvements, in fact in most businesses they cause a lot of disruption. 3 Our position was so dire and potentially damaging to the LTP that the club ripped it up in panic and brought in Cotts to troubleshoot the first team in the short term. The success that he had was far greater than anyone could have predicted to the point that Cotts was "the man" and calling all the shots. (an example might be that the U21's were playing 3-5-2 and judging by Saturday this was imposed on Pemberton and Elliot rather than being their preference). In some ways Cotts was too successful for the club, because they wanted to return to the LTP, elements of which were being dismantled or ignored by the Manager. In the summer they tried to reintroduce some of these elements such as control of transfers which Cotts dug his heels in over and we ended up with a mess of a transfer window because of people pulling in different directions. 4 Because of his great success the club wanted to give Cotts some time to see if he could reproduce it in this division, but they were always looking for a way of getting back to the LTP if they could. Results and eventually performances, coupled with obstinancy over using the signings that had been made eventually gave them the excuse to pull the trigger. 5 The almost immediate recall of Mark Ashton shows that they want to reinstate the LTP as quickly as possible and as you say M, the main question they will be asking candidates is, Can you work within this framework? Like I said, this is my own personal reading of the situation nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Well Port Said, for someone not in the know, I'd say you have made a very educated guess. I don't think you are very far from the truth at all. The trouble is I think the board want their manager like they wanted the big players this summer. A proven name to raise the profile to attract better players and spend money wisely. Only they want to be able to tell him what to do, give him a tight budget and work a League one set up to get to the a premiership. It can't be both can it. And by the way I am believing the 3-5-2 was being insisted on by Cotterill at a much, much younger level than the u21's. He had pretty much full control on anything and everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 What happened at Watford exactly? Seen a lot of lovely comments from their fans about him on twitter over the weekend....anyone got a one liner on it? Have to say, from the interview he does appear to be a very confident bloke, another marmite I suspect..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: And I think this is at the heart of the apparent conflicts in the club. Before I put the following scenario before you, I should say I am far from being ITK, have hardly ever spoken to anyone in and around the club in my 50 years of supporting so this is all supposition, but this is how I see have occurred and what might have happened. ---------------------------------------------------- 1. The 5 pillars was put in place due to the lack of a cohesive long term plan (LTP), Mark Ashton was tasked with assisting/designing this and it was seen as the future of the club. 2 In the short term both DMC and SOD, struggled to produce results, which to a certain extent is understandable because LTP's don't always produce short term improvements, in fact in most businesses they cause a lot of disruption. 3 Our position was so dire and potentially damaging to the LTP that the club ripped it up in panic and brought in Cotts to troubleshoot the first team in the short term. The success that he had was far greater than anyone could have predicted to the point that Cotts was "the man" and calling all the shots. (an example might be that the U21's were playing 3-5-2 and judging by Saturday this was imposed on Pemberton and Elliot rather than being their preference). In some ways Cotts was too successful for the club, because they wanted to return to the LTP, elements of which were being dismantled or ignored by the Manager. In the summer they tried to reintroduce some of these elements such as control of transfers which Cotts dug his heels in over and we ended up with a mess of a transfer window because of people pulling in different directions. 4 Because of his great success the club wanted to give Cotts some time to see if he could reproduce it in this division, but they were always looking for a way of getting back to the LTP if they could. Results and eventually performances, coupled with obstinancy over using the signings that had been made eventually gave them the excuse to pull the trigger. 5 The almost immediate recall of Mark Ashton shows that they want to reinstate the LTP as quickly as possible and as you say M, the main question they will be asking candidates is, Can you work within this framework? Like I said, this is my own personal reading of the situation nothing more. All very feasible. Could be totally right/wrong or somewhere in between. English clubs are slowly coming round to head coach thinking, yet Wenger is one who fits the old style manager better than most. Head Coach with less involvement in player recruitment is IMO, the way forward. Thus the rest of the club has continuity even when first team coach/manager changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: All very feasible. Could be totally right/wrong or somewhere in between. English clubs are slowly coming round to head coach thinking, yet Wenger is one who fits the old style manager better than most. Head Coach with less involvement in player recruitment is IMO, the way forward. Thus the rest of the club has continuity even when first team coach/manager changes. Ummmm yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Haven't the club talked of a new Head Coach rather than a manager ? I still believe the problem was giving into SC over his insistence on being the manager but keeping in place the infra structure for a Head Coach; in particular a conflict between the role of manager and Director of Football. In other words I agree with Port Said Red's analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Aldhelms Red Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I've got a big issue with having a "suit" recruiting players for our manager. What if the manager doesn't rate that player, or has a personality clash with him, or he doesn't fit in with the style he wants to play. At the end of the day, the manager will be the one who gets the sack if it goes wrong, not the smarmy**** in the suit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, St Aldhelms Red said: I've got a big issue with having a "suit" recruiting players for our manager. What if the manager doesn't rate that player, or has a personality clash with him, or he doesn't fit in with the style he wants to play. At the end of the day, the manager will be the one who gets the sack if it goes wrong, not the smarmy**** in the suit! He's not recruiting players he said that himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, St Aldhelms Red said: I've got a big issue with having a "suit" recruiting players for our manager. What if the manager doesn't rate that player, or has a personality clash with him, or he doesn't fit in with the style he wants to play. At the end of the day, the manager will be the one who gets the sack if it goes wrong, not the smarmy**** in the suit! That is why when you interview perspective managers , they have to fully understand and agree to work within the parameters of the club. As long as they know what they're role is, there should not be a problem. I think perhaps under SC, there were to many grey areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Aldhelms Red Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 37 minutes ago, john from high littleton said: That is why when you interview perspective managers , they have to fully understand and agree to work within the parameters of the club. As long as they know what they're role is, there should not be a problem. I think perhaps under SC, there were to many grey areas. That's fine, but most managers want to pick the players that are going to play for them, otherwise the manager is giving up a big percentage of what actually makes him a "manager". Also, if we are just looking for a head coach that has to work under these parameters, surely we are limiting our options of prospective managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, St Aldhelms Red said: That's fine, but most managers want to pick the players that are going to play for them, otherwise the manager is giving up a big percentage of what actually makes him a "manager". Also, if we are just looking for a head coach that has to work under these parameters, surely we are limiting our options of prospective managers. HE WILL HAVE A SAY ON TRANSFERS, HOW MANY MORE TIMES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Aldhelms Red Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 24 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: HE WILL HAVE A SAY ON TRANSFERS, HOW MANY MORE TIMES Alright, don't shout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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