havanatopia Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Exactly 373 years ago today, the then small wool town of Leeds in the West Riding of Yorkshire, came under attack in what became known as The Battle of Leeds. On January the 23rd 1643 Sir Thomas Fairfax and Sir Thomas Norcliffe attacked the Royalist fortifications marching on St. John's Church in atrocious weather conditions. Simultaneously the Parliamentarians attacked Boar Lane and Leeds Bridge from the south. The Royalists were driven down Kirkgate and tried to escape across the River Aire where many were drowned. After three hours the Parliamentarians were victorious with forty men, mostly Royalists, killed or drowned. While the Royalists recaptured the West Riding later in the same year, with Fairfax retreating to the Parliamentarian stronghold of Hull, It was with Scottish support that he returned to take Leeds in July of 1644 at the historic Battle of Marston Moor which lost all of the north of England for King Charles I. One hundred and sixteen years later the white rose of Yorkshire, the symbol perhaps most synonymous for Leeds United Football Club began its story. In 1759, during the Seven Years War, two French armies fought their way across western Germany capturing important towns. They stopped at Minden on the River Weser in modern day North Rhein Westphalia between Osnabruck in the west and Hannover in the east and threatened to attack. An Allied force, made up of British, Prussian and Hanoverian forces and commanded by Prince Ferdinand lay to the north west of the town. The forces under his command included the Kings own Yorkshire Light Infantry as well as five other British regiments. On the first day of August 1759 while marching toward the French front lines the garrison walked through gardens in Minden blooming with roses. The soldiers picked white roses and attached them to their uniforms. They went on to defeat the French that day and ever since the now Rifles Regiment have a white rose emblazoned on their caps in commemoration to those fallen in battle. 10,000 were killed, wounded or went missing on that single day including 7,000 French. The white rose on a blue background became the official flag of Yorkshire only in 2008 but has been used by Leeds United in varying forms since 1984, as the full crest on their shirts until 1998 and since then as part of the existing crescent. Interestingly, Lieutenant General Lord George Sackville, the British Cavalry Commander under Ferdinand, was later court martialed for repeatedly failing to undertake his orders. He would later reappear as Lord George Germain and bear a major portion of the blame for the outcome of the American Revolution while Secretary of State for the Colonies. Perhaps he may have been swayed or became disenchanted by the pro American Joseph Priestley who fled to New England, from his native Birstall, just outside Leeds, when a mob burned his home for endorsing both the American and French revolutions. Yorkshire certainly has more than its fair share of colourful characters. And, almost finally, on January 23rd 1955 fourteen people died and dozens were injured when an express train travelling from York to Bristol derailed at Sutton Coldfield station. Have a thought for them today as you fantastic fans head north and then south again, especially if going by train. Enough has been written about Leeds United on the previous thread, notwithstanding my note below. Suffice to say any match, at any time and anywhere proves a stern test even if last year looked like a walk in the park; a tribute to the team and management that is. This season illustrates more than ever the wide gulf between the two divisions and while Leeds are not exactly creaming this division I do think we might head toward a narrow defeat today. I am usually absolutely hopeless with my predictions so hopefully that continues today and we win comfortably. 1-0 to Leeds. UTC. Footnote:- Interestingly the corresponding fixture thread has not archived my words; well if it has they have been literally archived away somewhere. Mods? 10 Quote Link to comment
Robbie_Turner Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Nice write up as always Havana, very informative. im usually very pessimistic, but today I fancy us. I'm going Leeds 1 City 2, Gladwin with the winner ! 2 Quote Link to comment
Major Isewater Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 hours ago, havanatopia said: Exactly 373 years ago today, the then small wool town of Leeds in the West Riding of Yorkshire, came under attack in what became known as The Battle of Leeds. On January the 23rd 1643 Sir Thomas Fairfax and Sir Thomas Norcliffe attacked the Royalist fortifications marching on St. John's Church in atrocious weather conditions. Simultaneously the Parliamentarians attacked Boar Lane and Leeds Bridge from the south. The Royalists were driven down Kirkgate and tried to escape across the River Aire where many were drowned. After three hours the Parliamentarians were victorious with forty men, mostly Royalists, killed or drowned. While the Royalists recaptured the West Riding later in the same year, with Fairfax retreating to the Parliamentarian stronghold of Hull, It was with Scottish support that he returned to take Leeds in July of 1644 at the historic Battle of Marston Moor which lost all of the north of England for King Charles I. One hundred and sixteen years later the white rose of Yorkshire, the symbol perhaps most synonymous for Leeds United Football Club began its story. In 1759, during the Seven Years War, two French armies fought their way across western Germany capturing important towns. They stopped at Minden on the River Weser in modern day North Rhein Westphalia between Osnabruck in the west and Hannover in the east and threatened to attack. An Allied force, made up of British, Prussian and Hanoverian forces and commanded by Prince Ferdinand lay to the north west of the town. The forces under his command included the Kings own Yorkshire Light Infantry as well as five other British regiments. On the first day of August 1759 while marching toward the French front lines the garrison walked through gardens in Minden blooming with roses. The soldiers picked white roses and attached them to their uniforms. They went on to defeat the French that day and ever since the now Rifles Regiment have a white rose emblazoned on their caps in commemoration to those fallen in battle. 10,000 were killed, wounded or went missing on that single day including 7,000 French. The white rose on a blue background became the official flag of Yorkshire only in 2008 but has been used by Leeds United in varying forms since 1984, as the full crest on their shirts until 1998 and since then as part of the existing crescent. Interestingly, Lieutenant General Lord George Sackville, the British Cavalry Commander under Ferdinand, was later court martialed for repeatedly failing to undertake his orders. He would later reappear as Lord George Germain and bear a major portion of the blame for the outcome of the American Revolution while Secretary of State for the Colonies. Perhaps he may have been swayed or became disenchanted by the pro American Joseph Priestley who fled to New England, from his native Birstall, just outside Leeds, when a mob burned his home for endorsing both the American and French revolutions. Yorkshire certainly has more than its fair share of colourful characters. And, almost finally, on January 23rd 1955 fourteen people died and dozens were injured when an express train travelling from York to Bristol derailed at Sutton Coldfield station. Have a thought for them today as you fantastic fans head north and then south again, especially if going by train. Enough has been written about Leeds United on the previous thread, notwithstanding my note below. Suffice to say any match, at any time and anywhere proves a stern test even if last year looked like a walk in the park; a tribute to the team and management that is. This season illustrates more than ever the wide gulf between the two divisions and while Leeds are not exactly creaming this division I do think we might head toward a narrow defeat today. I am usually absolutely hopeless with my predictions so hopefully that continues today and we win comfortably. 1-0 to Leeds. UTC. Footnote:- Interestingly the corresponding fixture thread has not archived my words; well if it has they have been literally archived away somewhere. Mods? You sly Fox H , you were hoping nobody would notice a cut' n paste job . Anyway thanks for the fascinating history lesson , out of interest , did a Lancastrian régiment pass through a garden of Red roses ? Quote Link to comment
CyderInACan Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 If anyone's up there early enough check out Reds BBQ and Tapped. Both awesome. http://truebarbecue.com/leeds/ http://tappedleeds.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment
Garland-sweden Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Think we can get a good result to day. Long time since we beat Leeds away, nows the time. Always Believe. Coyr. Quote Link to comment
havanatopia Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: You sly Fox H , you were hoping nobody would notice a cut' n paste job . Anyway thanks for the fascinating history lesson , out of interest , did a Lancastrian régiment pass through a garden of Red roses ? You sir are a cheeky rascal; i never do that. Quote Link to comment
reddogkev Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Go on you City, stuff Leeds today and climb out of the bottom 3 whilst doing it. City to win 2-0. COME ON YOU REDS GOOD LUCK PEMBO & WADE. Quote Link to comment
East Yorkshire CideRed Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Unfortunately, I have other commitments today in Wakefield of all places. So I'll be agonisingly close to Elland Rd come 3pm. Really hope we can squeak it 1-0. COYR! Quote Link to comment
chipdawg Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'm home looking after the baby today, but hope everyone has a great day up there and a good result come 5pm If people are up there for a drink, Tapped (as previously mentioned) is excellent, the Head Of Steam is close to the station and decent or you could visit The Hop, The Cross Keys or The Midnight Bell which are all (kind of) on the way to the ground For quick eats go to the food court in Trinity centre, if you like burgers try Almost Famous or Meat Locker in the town centre COYR Quote Link to comment
samo II Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Will be there today. Not sure what to expect; hoping the energy Pembo has spoken of, and seemed present and correct last Saturday, is there from the start in our performance today, as with Leeds not having won a league game since before Christmas, and their relative proximity to us (3 points today takes us just 4 points off them), an early goal might get their team and crowd a little restless, circumstances considered. West Ham have done us a favour taking Byram off Leeds this week too; looked a lot more defensively suspect without him against Wednesday, and the fact his replacement doesn't look to be through the door yet also helps, as every little bit does. He was easily one of their best players in all the games I've seen of theirs this year (which is a few, thanks to Sky) and always looked a cut above his team mates, so is a loss for them. Imagine it might be a tight one, as they have only scored three more league goals that us (of which the departed Byram, a right back, actually scored three) making them the 7th lowest scorers this season. They will have 8-goal top scorer Chris Woods back though, and he loves notching against us, so that is not great. With no malice intended, I do hope we start without Wilbraham today, as felt he offered very little against WBA in the week, and would hope the addition of Gladwin at 6'3" would give us that height Wilbs offers, but coupled with a bit more mobility, and the chance to play Kodjia from the start, which I think it essential in a game such as this, where I think we'll need pace. Personally, a front 4 (thinking we'll play 4231/451 again) of Bryan, Burns, Gladwin and Kodjia would certainly be interesting, and supported by Pack and Smith, I believe would represent an 'upgrade' on what we've had available prior. The fact we still then have Agard, Reid, Freeman, Wagstaff and Wilbraham to chuck on as components of that formation gives us a flexibility we've seriously lacked earlier this season. COYR 1 Quote Link to comment
BigTone Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 4 hours ago, havanatopia said: Exactly 373 years ago today, the then small wool town of Leeds in the West Riding of Yorkshire, came under attack in what became known as The Battle of Leeds. On January the 23rd 1643 Sir Thomas Fairfax and Sir Thomas Norcliffe attacked the Royalist fortifications marching on St. John's Church in atrocious weather conditions. Simultaneously the Parliamentarians attacked Boar Lane and Leeds Bridge from the south. The Royalists were driven down Kirkgate and tried to escape across the River Aire where many were drowned. After three hours the Parliamentarians were victorious with forty men, mostly Royalists, killed or drowned. While the Royalists recaptured the West Riding later in the same year, with Fairfax retreating to the Parliamentarian stronghold of Hull, It was with Scottish support that he returned to take Leeds in July of 1644 at the historic Battle of Marston Moor which lost all of the north of England for King Charles I. One hundred and sixteen years later the white rose of Yorkshire, the symbol perhaps most synonymous for Leeds United Football Club began its story. In 1759, during the Seven Years War, two French armies fought their way across western Germany capturing important towns. They stopped at Minden on the River Weser in modern day North Rhein Westphalia between Osnabruck in the west and Hannover in the east and threatened to attack. An Allied force, made up of British, Prussian and Hanoverian forces and commanded by Prince Ferdinand lay to the north west of the town. The forces under his command included the Kings own Yorkshire Light Infantry as well as five other British regiments. On the first day of August 1759 while marching toward the French front lines the garrison walked through gardens in Minden blooming with roses. The soldiers picked white roses and attached them to their uniforms. They went on to defeat the French that day and ever since the now Rifles Regiment have a white rose emblazoned on their caps in commemoration to those fallen in battle. 10,000 were killed, wounded or went missing on that single day including 7,000 French. The white rose on a blue background became the official flag of Yorkshire only in 2008 but has been used by Leeds United in varying forms since 1984, as the full crest on their shirts until 1998 and since then as part of the existing crescent. Interestingly, Lieutenant General Lord George Sackville, the British Cavalry Commander under Ferdinand, was later court martialed for repeatedly failing to undertake his orders. He would later reappear as Lord George Germain and bear a major portion of the blame for the outcome of the American Revolution while Secretary of State for the Colonies. Perhaps he may have been swayed or became disenchanted by the pro American Joseph Priestley who fled to New England, from his native Birstall, just outside Leeds, when a mob burned his home for endorsing both the American and French revolutions. Yorkshire certainly has more than its fair share of colourful characters. And, almost finally, on January 23rd 1955 fourteen people died and dozens were injured when an express train travelling from York to Bristol derailed at Sutton Coldfield station. Have a thought for them today as you fantastic fans head north and then south again, especially if going by train. Enough has been written about Leeds United on the previous thread, notwithstanding my note below. Suffice to say any match, at any time and anywhere proves a stern test even if last year looked like a walk in the park; a tribute to the team and management that is. This season illustrates more than ever the wide gulf between the two divisions and while Leeds are not exactly creaming this division I do think we might head toward a narrow defeat today. I am usually absolutely hopeless with my predictions so hopefully that continues today and we win comfortably. 1-0 to Leeds. UTC. Footnote:- Interestingly the corresponding fixture thread has not archived my words; well if it has they have been literally archived away somewhere. Mods? Condensed Version Leeds: Dump 3 Quote Link to comment
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, BigTone said: Condensed Version Leeds: Dump The Coach Station is very cosmopolitan!. When we went from York to Manchester Airport, changing at Leeds, by National Express a few years ago and then on via Bradford, we thought we were in a different country! Quote Link to comment
reddogkev Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, samo II said: Will be there today. Not sure what to expect; hoping the energy Pembo has spoken of, and seemed present and correct last Saturday, is there from the start in our performance today, as with Leeds not having won a league game since before Christmas, and their relative proximity to us (3 points today takes us just 4 points off them), an early goal might get their team and crowd a little restless, circumstances considered. West Ham have done us a favour taking Byram off Leeds this week too; looked a lot more defensively suspect without him against Wednesday, and the fact his replacement doesn't look to be through the door yet also helps, as every little bit does. He was easily one of their best players in all the games I've seen of theirs this year (which is a few, thanks to Sky) and always looked a cut above his team mates, so is a loss for them. Imagine it might be a tight one, as they have only scored three more league goals that us (of which the departed Byram, a right back, actually scored three) making them the 7th lowest scorers this season. They will have 8-goal top scorer Chris Woods back though, and he loves notching against us, so that is not great. With no malice intended, I do hope we start without Wilbraham today, as felt he offered very little against WBA in the week, and would hope the addition of Gladwin at 6'3" would give us that height Wilbs offers, but coupled with a bit more mobility, and the chance to play Kodjia from the start, which I think it essential in a game such as this, where I think we'll need pace. Personally, a front 4 (thinking we'll play 4231/451 again) of Bryan, Burns, Gladwin and Kodjia would certainly be interesting, and supported by Pack and Smith, I believe would represent an 'upgrade' on what we've had available prior. The fact we still then have Agard, Reid, Freeman, Wagstaff and Wilbraham to chuck on as components of that formation gives us a flexibility we've seriously lacked earlier this season. COYR Interesting points there, Samo. That was a decent little read, and you've touched upon one of my considerations - how will Leeds be affected by the departure of Byram? Hopefully we can exploit his absence. Even with the addition of Gladwin, I'd still expect to see a place for Freeman in the team. I fancy us to win - but the smart money today has to be on a 1 -1 draw. Edited January 23, 2016 by reddogkev Quote Link to comment
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Interesting points there, Samo. That was a decent little read, and you've touched upon one of my considerations - how will Leeds be affected by the departure of Byram? Hopefully we can exploit his absence. I'd expect to still see a place for Freeman in the team. I fancy us to win - but the smart money today has to be on a 1 -1 draw. My prediction! Quote Link to comment
reddogkev Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: My prediction! You've nailed it! Quote Link to comment
Aizoon Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Beat awayday ever: Leeds United 0 Bristol City 1 (Gillies) First ever football picture on front page of The Times. Our train back to Bristol full of drunken City players Let's do it again, guys Edited January 23, 2016 by Aizoon 1 Quote Link to comment
havanatopia Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 57 minutes ago, BigTone said: Condensed Version Leeds: Dump I was beginning to wonder where you had gone Tone. Welcome back. 39 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: The Coach Station is very cosmopolitan!. When we went from York to Manchester Airport, changing at Leeds, by National Express a few years ago and then on via Bradford, we thought we were in a different country! Arhhhhh but I thought the meaning of cosmopolitan was such that you could be in any country, including ours no?! Quote Link to comment
ashton_fan Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 26 minutes ago, Aizoon said: Beat awayday ever: Leeds United 0 Bristol City 1 (Gillies) First ever football picture on front page of The Times. Our train back to Bristol full of drunken City players Let's do it again, guys I was there, although didn't get a brilliant view, what an atmosphere though and thousands locked out (all pay on the day then). I remember our coach being stuck in traffic outside the stadium and Leeds fans lobbing bottles down onto the roof! Low-scoring draw today I reckon although either team could win by the odd goal. I'm more confident about the defence in the new formation but think we might struggle to score. Quote Link to comment
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I was there, although didn't get a brilliant view, what an atmosphere though and thousands locked out (all pay on the day then). I remember our coach being stuck in traffic outside the stadium and Leeds fans lobbing bottles down onto the roof! I remember it well, especially being stuck in traffic on one of the supporters club coaches on the approach to the ground - young kids of about 10 years throwing stones/bricks at our coach and we really were old men, women and children. I also remember driving through some streets on the approach and seeing washing hanging out between the houses. Quote Link to comment
Aizoon Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 22 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I was there, although didn't get a brilliant view, what an atmosphere though and thousands locked out (all pay on the day then). I remember our coach being stuck in traffic outside the stadium and Leeds fans lobbing bottles down onto the roof! Low-scoring draw today I reckon although either team could win by the odd goal. I'm more confident about the defence in the new formation but think we might struggle to score. I got hit on the knee by a metal casting, but didn't feel a thing Highlights were interpreting between a Somerset yokel and a West Riding barmaid, and telling a Leeds fan "Mind you, it'll play Hell with our relegation struggle"... A draw today will do for me. Quote Link to comment
Offside Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 It might be 373 years since the Battle of Leeds but it also feels that long since we got anything up there. Have we beaten them since that cup tie when Gillies scored? I've only been to see City play there once (2010-ish when Nicky Hunt had one of several performances that rank along the worst I've seen in a City shirt) - it's a good weekend away so I'm envious of the City fans at the game today. Hoping for a win - it would be nice to get out of the bottom three asap. Quote Link to comment
robin_unreliant Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I see Steve Evans is the latest opposing manager to say we should be in the top half of the table with our squad. Do you think they come out with this because a) they genuinely believe it b) it puts more pressure on us c) it gives them an excuse if they don't win Always feel myself it is a bad tactic to talk up the opposition. Quote Link to comment
Major Isewater Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, BigTone said: Condensed Version Leeds: Dump We've certainly missed your in depth reports on the opposition. i think this time you've been too ' wordy ' my advice ; keep it succinct. 1 Quote Link to comment
Major Isewater Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: I see Steve Evans is the latest opposing manager to say we should be in the top half of the table with our squad. Do you think they come out with this because a) they genuinely believe it b) it puts more pressure on us c) it gives them an excuse if they don't win Always feel myself it is a bad tactic to talk up the opposition. Our survey says ... c . Quote Link to comment
Red white and red Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 We never beat Leeds, can't see that changing today unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong. leeds 3-1 city Quote Link to comment
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, havanatopia said: I was beginning to wonder where you had gone Tone. Welcome back. Arhhhhh but I thought the meaning of cosmopolitan was such that you could be in any country, including ours no?! Exactly! Quote Link to comment
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Aizoon said: I got hit on the knee by a metal casting, but didn't feel a thing Highlights were interpreting between a Somerset yokel and a West Riding barmaid, and telling a Leeds fan "Mind you, it'll play Hell with our relegation struggle"... A draw today will do for me. You spoke to a Leeds fan after that game? Me and my brother didn't even talk to each other until we were about a mile away from the ground. Heads down and get the hell out of there. Roughest crowd I've ever been in, 47,000 and the majority looked like they'd punch an away fan on sight. Edited January 23, 2016 by Nogbad the Bad Quote Link to comment
havanatopia Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 For the safety of mankind then Leeds need to win, for a fragile truce its heads down after a draw and for a city win? Shall we be the Royalists or the Parliamentarians? Quote Link to comment
Aizoon Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 16 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: You spoke to a Leeds fan after that game? Me and my brother didn't even talk to each other until we were about a mile away from the ground. Heads down and get the hell out of there. Roughest crowd I've ever been in, 47,000 and the majority looked like they'd punch an away fan on sight. DURING the game! He was a harmless old git - about my age now, as I think of it Quote Link to comment
JustinCider Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 2 hours ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: The Coach Station is very cosmopolitan!. When we went from York to Manchester Airport, changing at Leeds, by National Express a few years ago and then on via Bradford, we thought we were in a different country! A middle eastern one, perhaps? Quote Link to comment
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