The Official Milton Keynes v Bristol City Match Day Thread

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Purely a planning designation.

 Northampton was one of the Viking Burghs of England and a major town since Saxon times. Peterborough was also largeish. 

Other towns founded or expanded dramatically in the post-war period are not designated new towns: Yate, Swindon and Andover for example.

 

Peterborough even has a chuffing cathedral.

[havanatopia]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

Peterborough even has a chuffing cathedral.

It is a very good point and very nice one at that.. Peterborough has to be the only place, that i can think of, that has gone from City to New Town and back to City again.. all extremely bizarre. I blame that London Road bloke whatsisface?

[cwmbran red]

4 hours ago, havanatopia said:

The clouds have lifted, the typhoon winds have moved offshore and the sun has returned with a vengeance. Moreover I am back from the Boondocks. 

Good morning and good afternoon everyone.

Once upon a time when I was busy doing my Geography coursework I recall a field trip visit to Cwmbran. The nearest new town to Somerset was chosen because it offered lessons in urban planning that perhaps will once more be very relevant as Britain seeks ways of overcoming the continued shortage of homes across the land. Cwmbran was conceived in 1949 and was one of the earliest 'garden cities' that eventually would number 32.

Ebenezer Howard’s invention of the Garden City in 1898, based on a vision of combining the ‘advantages of the most energetic and active town life, with all the beauty and delight of the country’ in a high-quality sustainable community, was to revolutionise the way people thought about building towns and cities.

What typically comes to mind on hearing the words ‘New Town’? Modernist housing estates? Bleak architecture? Roundabouts? There is no doubt that the New Towns are often the butt of jokes (Big Tone?... lets be avin yuh!) about the failures of modern urbanism (often made by people who have never visited a New Town, let alone lived or worked in one), but their story is an intriguing one: of anarchists, artists, visionaries, and the promise of a new beginning for millions of people.

A Garden City is a holistically planned new settlement which enhances the natural environment and offers high-quality affordable housing and locally accessible work in beautiful, healthy and sociable communities. of course, in reality it might be a load of old poppycock but in my distant memory I do seem to have come away from Cwmbran thinking it had its merits. 

Milton Keynes was inaugurated in 1967 and has since grown to more than 250,000 people; arguably way beyond what a true Garden City was supposed to be. Interestingly Howard had envisaged his garden city concept creating sustainable communities of not more than 30-35,000 people and the very first town, in the world, was Letchworth in Hertfordshire just north of Stevenage which has a population today of around 33,000! 

New towns that have become league teams apart from Milton Keynes?.. Peterborough, a town founded in 1967, Stevenage 1946, Crawley 1947, Northampton 1968 and, in Scotland, Livingston inaugurated in 1962 and Cumbernauld in 1955 *.

The New Towns programme was quite possibly the most ambitious of any devised anywhere in the world. Its legacy, like any major works, will have its good and its bad but it served Britain well and the lessons learnt from the errors will hopefully translate into improved versions as the discussion on a swathe of 21st century garden cities increases.

Pete Winkelman brought a new league club to Milton Keynes which I have discussed in previous MK Match day threads and many have opined on the subject. Most, but not all, of the other new towns I have mentioned with league clubs grew organically as population and interest grew in what had hitherto been small villages or dispersed communities within much smaller settlements. 

* Milton Keynes is not the only 'franchise' club if you will. Livingston became the new home for Meadowbank Thistle of Edinburgh; I am sure that rankles to this day with Thistle fans. Fortunately the powers that be decided not to use the name Livingston Thistle. Equally Clyde from Glasgow moved to Cumbernauld although in their case they kept the name. In both of these Scottish examples the owners thought the fan base would be greater in their new locations a decision which seems to ignore the fans that were there, in the original long standing locations, in the first place. 

At least with Wimbledon the support was so strong and the will so galvanised that they not only started again, from scratch, but they have once more become a league team. The same cannot be said for Meadowbank Thistle. Can it?

I do not profess to be an expert on the on-going discussion and as football fans I am sure many would prefer to talk about the ball and not the history... thats what this thread is for; for anyone to drive the topic of conversation wherever they want it to go. I merely find it interesting how new towns came about, it relives my studies at school and it creates some strong and interesting feelings when a fan base is told their club is moving. And for all of that it makes the fixture, each time we play MK, all the more interesting.

So what say we for todays match then folks? Are we bouncing around Stadium MK in anything like the numbers of last year or is that far too much to ask? The scoreline and the support i mean.

Perhaps another draw? I would feel a lot more upbeat if we had another striker on board; have I missed a sneaky loan overnight?

1-1 I believe.

Tomlin this time from regular play.

Good and safe journey to all those going today, watch out for the roundabouts but enjoy the green open spaces of Milton Keynes. I don't think its all that bad and bring your litter home .

UTC.

MODS - I would have liked to have uploaded an interesting map but you have reduced the file size to 340kb and when reducing the file size under that size it is still not recognised.. some form of on-going glitch you have there I think.

 

I live in cwmbran and the best thing there is the shopping centre and free parking and basically it's the the same as my home town of yate and the same size 

 

 

[Major Isewater]

3 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Bloomin Marvellous. I love the new positive edge. Long may it continue.. whos up next? Oh Yeah Brighton.. yeahhh thats a decent place. You can keep the same vibe for next week then

Cannot do one but hope a family of five will do.

Thanks for the compo.

The ' Belted Galloway ' ,sounds like they've had a visit from the Gas , nice change from horses . I believe they targeted a Suffolk Punch .

[cityexile]

3 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Bloomin Marvellous. I love the new positive edge. Long may it continue.. whos up next? Oh Yeah Brighton.. yeahhh thats a decent place. You can keep the same vibe for next week then

Cannot do one but hope a family of five will do.

Thanks for the compo.

Poor.

This is a thread about MK. Bovines should be of the concrete variety.

Anyhow, suppose I should start shaking a leg and getting down to the game...maybe just up last cup of tea first...

[Red-Robbo]

23 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

It is a very good point and very nice one at that.. Peterborough has to be the only place, that i can think of, that has gone from City to New Town and back to City again.. all extremely bizarre. I blame that London Road bloke whatsisface?

I believe Catherine of Aragon is buried there. Which must surely be Henry VIII's cruellest act towards her....

[1891 B.C. Sweden]

O'Donnell, Vyner, Flint, Baker, Golbourne, Pack, Smith, Tomlin, Bryan, Freeman, Kodjia.

subs: Fielding, Pearce, Williams, Reid, Wagstaff, Agard, Wilbraham.

[daored]

Little injured or dropped. Big chance for the young lad

[Fordy62]

Vyner! Wow!

[richwwtk]

Big call to put Vyner straight in - don't know much about him - anybody care to illuminate?

[Nogbad the Bad]

3 minutes ago, daored said:

Little injured or dropped. Big chance for the young lad

Injured presumably, not on the bench.

[HoldenBall]

Interesting.. He could be the missing link to this team.. Hope he does well.

[Bs4Red]

1 minute ago, richwwtk said:

Big call to put Vyner straight in - don't know much about him - anybody care to illuminate?

Very very good player, plays predominantly centre back but has played right back for 21s. He is very strong and the stand out player for the 21s. Don't rate little personally and really hope vyner will take this chance 

[daored]

1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Injured presumably, not on the bench.

I know options are limited at right back with no alying, but good to see prepared to put him in, rather than trying to fit a player into the position

[Unan]

4 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

Big call to put Vyner straight in - don't know much about him - anybody care to illuminate?

Poor on Fifa.

[samo II]

Good luck to young Vyner; big game to make your début, but encouraging we've seen fit to give him a go, even over perhaps more experienced options who could play there, even if a little out of position, like Wagstaff.

Hope he plays a blinder!

COYR

[Lew-T]

Good luck Zak. He's the biggest prospect along with Dowling and Morrell!

I hope he does well. Big, big game for him to come in!

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Vyner! Wow!

My thoughts exactly.  What a day for the young man, and another addition to the list of youngsters getting into the first team.  Any youngster that breaks into first team is a positive result for the Academy.

[Ash the Bash]

I've never seen Vyner, how tall is he? 

[Ivorguy]

Go for it lad. The story starts here 

 Vyner it is 

Bounce Bounce Bounce 

 

[daored]

3 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Good luck Zak. He's the biggest prospect along with Dowling and Morrell!

I hope he does well. Big, big game for him to come in!

Never seen the lad play. What's his strengths? 

[Gazred]

Great show of faith from LJ there, even though his hand was forced somewhat.

Let's hope he grabs the opportunity and runs with it.

[Bat Fastard]

He is tall, quick and strong.  Good luck Zak!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

JET is starting.

[Major Isewater]

This is what what most of us have been wanting , a progression into the first team for our U21's .

I understand the reflex to loan in an experienced player as cover but if you don't give your youngsters a chance they'll never progress nor will we as a club .

Bold decision Mr Johnson , you deserve a good result to merit your bravery.

Good luck young Zak .

[deadredfred]

Vyner, Bryan, Reid, Golbourne. Anyone remember the last time we had 4 academy products in the match day squad? Great to see

[Esmond Million's Bung]

 

11 minutes ago

STARTING XI! Martin; Baldock, McFadzean, Walsh, Lewington; Potter, Forster-Caskey; Hall, Emmanuel-Thomas, Murphy; Maynard

[Unan]

3 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

Vyner, Bryan, Reid, Golbourne. Anyone remember the last time we had 4 academy products in the match day squad? Great to see

Yeah a few games ago with O'Leary on the bench.

[deadredfred]

1 minute ago, Griffin said:

Yeah a few games ago with O'Leary on the bench.

Fair one. And before that?

[Unan]

2 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

Fair one. And before that?

Not the foggest mate!