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1 hour ago, phantom said:

The footbridge has vanished over the weekend - anyone know where it went?

Gone to Filton. Required as footbridge over the to be reopened Henbury line which runs in front of the Brabazon/Arena.

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Another interesting development tonight, Bristol Council have blocked Marvin Rees' decision so the decision now goes back to the council for more scrutiny 

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COUNCILLORS FORCE REVIEW OF ARENA DECISION
LIBERAL Democrats and Conservatives have united in an attempt to review the controversial decision of mayor Marvin Rees to cancel the arena at Temple Meads.
The decision made at a cabinet meeting on September 4 has been "called in" – meaning it will be reviewed by a scrutiny committee of councillors from all parties.
The committee can decide to reject the call-in, send it back to the mayor with advice, or send to full council for debate and then back to the mayor.
Last week the mayor himself backed an unopposed motion at full council that said that Arena Island was the best site for an arena.
Yet at the cabinet meeting the next day Mr Rees said more jobs and income would be won for the city by an alternative use of the site.
Legal & General has proposed 10 buildings of up to 24 storeys to provide a 345-bedroom hotel, conference centre, offices and 550 homes, 200 of them affordable.
Since the cabinet decision, there have been claims that it broke the council's constitution, and that the thwarted arena backers, Arena Island Ltd, could sue the council for millions of pounds for breach of contract.
Meanwhile Live Aid organiser Harvey Goldsmith claims he has not been allowed to explain his proposals for an alternative, privately-funded arena on the island site.
Cllr Mark Weston, leader of the Conservative group said: 
“We still believe that the best use for Arena Island is for the much-promised Bristol arena.
"It is now clear that there have been some very obvious flaws in the decision-making process itself, evidenced by the fact that this call-in, submitted in concert with the Lib Dems, has been accepted as valid and grounds for review.
“The mayor will now have one last chance to revisit and reconsider his actions on this issue, the ramifications of which will impact upon Bristol residents for decades to come.”

 

 

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23 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Last week the mayor himself backed an unopposed motion at full council that said that Arena Island was the best site for an arena.
Yet at the cabinet meeting the next day Mr Rees said more jobs and income would be won for the city by an alternative use of the site.

This part in itself is very strange

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15 minutes ago, phantom said:

This part in itself is very strange

Didn’t he say something like TM would be the best site for the Arena but this didn’t necessarily mean that the Arena was the best thing to be built there.

I took this to mean the land was worth more as offices, retail and student accommodation etc both financially and in terms of employment and the Arena could be built on any old plot of land, less valuable land.

I still don’t agree with him mind. :bruce_h4h:

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On ‎11‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 10:43, phantom said:

The footbridge has vanished over the weekend - anyone know where it went?

No idea,  but as bridges over troubled waters go - this one is certainly right up there. 

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3 hours ago, myol'man said:

COUNCILLORS FORCE REVIEW OF ARENA DECISION
LIBERAL Democrats and Conservatives have united in an attempt to review the controversial decision of mayor Marvin Rees to cancel the arena at Temple Meads.
The decision made at a cabinet meeting on September 4 has been "called in" – meaning it will be reviewed by a scrutiny committee of councillors from all parties.
The committee can decide to reject the call-in, send it back to the mayor with advice, or send to full council for debate and then back to the mayor.
Last week the mayor himself backed an unopposed motion at full council that said that Arena Island was the best site for an arena.
Yet at the cabinet meeting the next day Mr Rees said more jobs and income would be won for the city by an alternative use of the site.
Legal & General has proposed 10 buildings of up to 24 storeys to provide a 345-bedroom hotel, conference centre, offices and 550 homes, 200 of them affordable.
Since the cabinet decision, there have been claims that it broke the council's constitution, and that the thwarted arena backers, Arena Island Ltd, could sue the council for millions of pounds for breach of contract.
Meanwhile Live Aid organiser Harvey Goldsmith claims he has not been allowed to explain his proposals for an alternative, privately-funded arena on the island site.
Cllr Mark Weston, leader of the Conservative group said: 
“We still believe that the best use for Arena Island is for the much-promised Bristol arena.
"It is now clear that there have been some very obvious flaws in the decision-making process itself, evidenced by the fact that this call-in, submitted in concert with the Lib Dems, has been accepted as valid and grounds for review.
“The mayor will now have one last chance to revisit and reconsider his actions on this issue, the ramifications of which will impact upon Bristol residents for decades to come.”

 

 

So basically, the councillors will discuss it, decide that the arena should go ahead at Arena Island, pass it back to Marvin, and he'll just say no again...

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How likely is it that Bristol council knew about Cardiff's intentions for a 15,000 arena therefore were never serious about an arena of that size and we're interested settling for what we're getting.... 

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New details regarding potential Bristol arena revealed
The firm has also revealed the proposed name of the music venue

ByKate WilsonPolitical Editor
07:00, 8 JAN 2019UPDATED08:01, 8 JAN 2019
NEWS

An arena at Filton would be the third largest in the UK if it gets approved, says the firm behind the project.

Malaysian investment firm YTL revealed its vision for a 16,000 capacity arena at the Brabazon hangar site last year.

Final details are still pretty scarce but the team behind the project say they are hoping to be able to share their plans in the upcoming months.

YTL had been waiting to move forward with its plans until after Bristol Mayor Marvin Rees had made his decision on the future of Temple Island.

In September Mr Rees officially scrapped plans for an arena at Temple Island despite the council sinking £12million in to clearing and preparing it for the concert venue.

Instead the council said it would push forward with plans for a ‘mixed use’ development on the site which may include a conference centre, housing, offices and shops.

What’s planned?

Currently the YTL Arena team is in the process of appointing an architect and project manager for the scheme who will start creating a detailed plan for the site once a key planning hurdle has been passed.

Called the sequential planning test, the national policy states inner city site should be given preference for major projects such as the arena.

But YTL has promised to deliver a “world class venue for Bristol” which it says could rival London’s O2 and Birmingham’s NEC in terms of restaurants, concessions, clubs and bars.

The firm has also said it would “help put Bristol on the map” in terms of music venues as it would be the third largest in the country after London and Manchester, if approved.

Spanning a whopping 26 acres, the three interlinked hangars are one of the largest continuous footprints in Europe and could comfortably fit London’s O2 Arena within its walls.

There are also plans to source as much as possible locally - including food and drink vendors.

And the firm says it wants to provide employment locally as well as work with local colleges regarding apprenticeships.

YTL says it hopes to have an arena p and running in Filton in less than four years - by autumn 2022.

Venue name revealed

The name of the venue has also now been revealed, with plans to name it in memory of Yeoh Tiong Lay the man who founded YTL in Malaysia back in 1955.

He died just over a year ago, but it is hoped the YTL Arena Bristol will honour his legacy.

How much will it cost?

This is what the YTL Arena Bristol could look like (Image: YTL)

The company claim no public money will be needed to develop the site but are currently unsure of the exact cost of the project to YTL.

It also said that two transport projects have already been costed and planned out by Bristol and South Gloucestershire councils and would be happening regardless of whether an arena is built there.

The two schemes are being delivered are:

• Temple Meads to Brabazon station rail link – in Network Rail's programme and funded for delivery around 2021

• A new metrobus route is planned to go directly through the new Brabazon neighbourhood as part of phase two of the scheme. This is already funded, but the delivery timetable still needs to be clarified.

YTL has said the other transport scheme it would like to see delivered for the site is an upgraded passenger service from Parkway station to Brabazon station.

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It's just ridiculous that Filton is being considered. The traffic around there is a constant nightmare with limited public transport.

If on the originally planned site, you've got Temple Meads, busses, ferries, loads of on street and private car parking, not to mention half of totterdown, bemmy, hotwells etc could walk there if needed.

We will never be able to rival or compete with Cardiff.

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5 hours ago, phantom said:



Currently the YTL Arena team is in the process of appointing an architect and project manager for the scheme who will start creating a detailed plan for the site once a key planning hurdle has been passed.

Called the sequential planning test, the national policy states inner city site should be given preference for major projects such as the arena.


 

I wouldn`t be at all surprised if it all falls down over this and Bristol is back to square one for another ten years. It will be interesting to see Marvin try and explain his decision to scrap the Arena Island project.

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19 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I see that Andrew Billingham, ex of this parish, is in charge now. 

Looks like he project managers new builds etc, guess the role makes sense

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I see that Marvelous Marvin says we can't have an arena behind Temple Meads in case someone phones up with a bomb hoax.

 “There’s a reason why the American investors said you should not put your arena right next to your train station. And it’s this: 5,000 people come by train, you have a gig, I phone you up, tell you there’s a bomb in the arena. What are you going to close down? You close down everything, including your train station, and not just any train station, Temple Meads.”

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Epic bullshit by marvellous Marv. He should just admit he was seduced by more offices and the associated dosh. He sounds like he knows he's wrong and has to keep embellishing his excuses. 

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Should be a nice economic boost for South Glos.

 

The people of Bristol can maybe join a company, and get to a position where they are sent on a conference sometime at the Temple Meads developement so they can check it out.

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I'm working on site on a large project in Italy, by some coincidence the lead welding engineer, once he knew that I came from Bristol, said " I worked on the  bridge at Temple Meads leading to the new arena" 

I said it's not going to be an arena any more, he just laughed and said you Brits love to waste money!

Thanks Marvin, the jokes on you :grr:

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The Mrs likes Muse.

Son now likes Muse.

Seen them now but still can't like them that much.

BUT

Ashton Gate and Muse v Filton as a venue for Mumble Attack.

Ashton Gate and the streets were full of life.

So would be Temple Meads.

Filton nada.

Filton … Drive in … Bugger off.

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6 hours ago, myol'man said:

Filton Arena is going to be a White Elephant apparently;

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/news-opinion/filton-arena-could-become-redundant-3430258

 

 

Absolute crock of rubbish article. Scrap the Arena because we have the Downs? Typical backwards Bristolian thinking. 

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"Elevated above the hangar floor, the new entrance will look out over the runway where Concorde first flew". More like a housing estate. Evil post sure prints some crap.

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3 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

 

Long long way to go yet mind . . . 

Built by us, inspired by you, enjoyed by everyone 🤮

Unless you're in a wheelchair.

Regardless of how they arrive at the site, all concert-goers will walk up 36 ‘Brabazon Steps’ 

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8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Unless you're in a wheelchair.

Regardless of how they arrive at the site, all concert-goers will walk up 36 ‘Brabazon Steps’ 

As much as I like to insult this project, there is clearly a ramp shown on the artists impressions...

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Stupid place for an arena given the transport situation but on the plus side it probably is the nail in the coffin for any plans to redevelop the stadium the blue few stole off the rugby.

 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Crap location though.

Close to motorways, Metrobus, plus existing bus services, potentially a new train station plus not a million miles from Parkway, all the dining options at Cribbs. Plus I imagine it will include a sizable car park. Perfect really. 

Central Bristol could not have coped with the additional traffic concerts would create imo.

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14 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

Close to motorways, Metrobus, plus existing bus services, potentially a new train station plus not a million miles from Parkway, all the dining options at Cribbs. Perfect really. 

Central Bristol could not have coped with the additional traffic concerts would create imo.

How many other major cities have their arenas out there, at places like Filton?

It's an outlier that's for sure. 

I wonder though, just how do other cities cope- are we especially car dependent here?

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23 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

Close to motorways, Metrobus, plus existing bus services, potentially a new train station plus not a million miles from Parkway, all the dining options at Cribbs. Plus I imagine it will include a sizable car park. Perfect really. 

Central Bristol could not have coped with the additional traffic concerts would create imo.

How did central Bristol cope with the gigs like Massive Attack in Queens square? Very well. Very very well indeed. There were no traffic problems. The centre pubs, the cafes and restaurants on the Waterfront benefitted further. From Temple Meads to the Waterfront the City centre was more alive, you could feel the enthusiasm and expectancy.  

In comparison Massive Attacks gig in Filton was? Drive in drive out. Adding nada to Bristol's coffers or enhancing it culturally.

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20 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

How did central Bristol cope with the gigs like Massive Attack in Queens square? Very well. Very very well indeed. There were no traffic problems. The centre pubs, the cafes and restaurants on the Waterfront benefitted further. From Temple Meads to the Waterfront the City centre was more alive, you could feel the enthusiasm and expectancy.  

In comparison Massive Attacks gig in Filton was? Drive in drive out. Adding nada to Bristol's coffers or enhancing it culturally.

Queen Sq was 16 years ago! The Downs is probably a better example. Plus festivals like LSTD/Balloon Fiesta etc dotted around. All of these add to Bristol. Filton adds nothing. Not to mention the Summer Series at AG - 2019 kick it off brilliantly and with the announcement for 2020 that is another coup for Bristol. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

How did central Bristol cope with the gigs like Massive Attack in Queens square? Very well. Very very well indeed. There were no traffic problems. The centre pubs, the cafes and restaurants on the Waterfront benefitted further. From Temple Meads to the Waterfront the City centre was more alive, you could feel the enthusiasm and expectancy.  

In comparison Massive Attacks gig in Filton was? Drive in drive out. Adding nada to Bristol's coffers or enhancing it culturally.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that when you've got a pattern like bristol, where the arterial traffic routes are arranged like the spokes of a wheel and the public transport largely follows them, that putting something like this as far out as filton is ridiculous.  If it were central then temple meads would get used and many people attending would already be in the centre from work.  In filton the traffic is already stressed beyond its ability to cope in the evening, the bus connections for anybody south of the city all run via the centre and so do the trains.  Parkway is a 40 minute walk so that's not happening and the "new station" in the plans is exceptionally unlikely.  The location only makes sense if you're building another south of the city or if you're not planning to actually build it and it was all just a smokescreen for more offices at temple meads.

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1 minute ago, CyderInACan said:

Queen Sq was 16 years ago! The Downs is probably a better example. Plus festivals like LSTD/Balloon Fiesta etc dotted around. All of these add to Bristol. Filton adds nothing. Not to mention the Summer Series at AG - 2019 kick it off brilliantly and with the announcement for 2020 that is another coup for Bristol. 

 

It was an example. I could have used some of the harbourside gigs but that was an example beyond the logistics of vehicles, it was a cultural event. An example of how the centre was filled with vibrancy. The culture of the City was enhanced. 

Massive Attack at Filton in comparison was shit. 

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8 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

An example of how the centre was filled with vibrancy

I was there and quite agree mind. I also remember Clifton similarly vibrant before their gig up the Downs. 

With Marv decreeing that his mates at YTL can build it at Filton, headed up by the erstwhile-of-this-parish Andrew Bilingham, Bristol has lost a once in a lifetime opportunity I feel. 

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40 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Queen Sq was 16 years ago! The Downs is probably a better example. Plus festivals like LSTD/Balloon Fiesta etc dotted around. All of these add to Bristol. Filton adds nothing. Not to mention the Summer Series at AG - 2019 kick it off brilliantly and with the announcement for 2020 that is another coup for Bristol. 

 

What's the difference between Bedminster and Filton? Both out of the City Centre so if Ashton Gate can be a success with the outdoor concerts I don't see why Filton cant with indoor concerts.

All this should be moot though as the airport should be at Filton.

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1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

What's the difference between Bedminster and Filton?

AG is a pretty quick walk from town; Filton not so. I think we can all agree on that? 

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11 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

What's the difference between Bedminster and Filton? Both out of the City Centre so if Ashton Gate can be a success with the outdoor concerts I don't see why Filton cant with indoor concerts.

All this should be moot though as the airport should be at Filton.

Ashton Gate is a 20 minute walk from the centre, Filton is a lot further.  The aim with indoor concerts would be for the venue to be in use most days.  Outdoor stadium gigs are what - four times a year?

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3 minutes ago, Eastside Moonwalker said:

Didn't even realise this got scrapped - what are they doing with the land by the cattle market road now then? Probably more offices I suppose...I am maybe in Bristol 3 times a year at best at the moment

Marv is, I think, giving it over partly to the Uni & party to his mates L&G to develop. 

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16 minutes ago, Eastside Moonwalker said:

Didn't even realise this got scrapped - what are they doing with the land by the cattle market road now then? Probably more offices I suppose...I am maybe in Bristol 3 times a year at best at the moment

Also certainly ( more) student flats I believe. Prob some small business units/shops scattered amongst them with more bars etc too I expect

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