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DavidNoble

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A pundit on Sky tonight for Forest vs. Brighton and has said that he recently met with the Forest owners. 

Has also just said that if he was given £70million then he would have took Forest into the premier league. I wonder how much he asked Lansdown for....! 

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10 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

A pundit on Sky tonight for Forest vs. Brighton and has said that he recently met with the Forest owners. 

Has also just said that if he was given £70million then he would have took Forest into the premier league. I wonder how much he asked Lansdown for....! 

It sounds like a throw away comment.

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27 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

A pundit on Sky tonight for Forest vs. Brighton and has said that he recently met with the Forest owners. 

Has also just said that if he was given £70million then he would have took Forest into the premier league. I wonder how much he asked Lansdown for....! 

He'd have spent it all on one striker, refused to change from 352 and conceded more than scored.........

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4 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

He'd have spent it all on one striker, refused to change from 352 and conceded more than scored.........

4 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

He'd have spent it all on one striker, refused to change from 352 and conceded more than scored.........

cheap shot at someone who gave us 2 trophies

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2 minutes ago, BA14 RED said:

Glad to see Brighton winning. Would love us to finish above Forest, such an ignorant set of fans they have.

Why are they ignorant?

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26 minutes ago, cheshire_red said:

He said last week he had met the Forest Chairman by accident

Yeah but he was talking about Forest Green.

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Why are they ignorant?

They believe in their own big club hype and most of i have known have a weird dislike for Bristol City.

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13 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

cheap shot at someone who gave us 2 trophies

Cotterill is an excellent League 1 manager but higher up he struggles with his fixed ideals about playing 3-5-2. 

Is this a cheap shot as well?

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4 minutes ago, BA14 RED said:

They believe in their own big club hype and most of i have known have a weird dislike for Bristol City.

Isn't that arrogant rather than ignorant? Don't mean to be pedantic, just didn't know why they'd be ignorant...

And to be fair, if we'd won the European Cup twice and the top div, we'd still be wetting ourselves with excitement!

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1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Isn't that arrogant rather than ignorant? Don't mean to be pedantic, just didn't know why they'd be ignorant...

And to be fair, if we'd won the European Cup twice and the top div, we'd still be wetting ourselves with excitement!

Yeah you're right there more arrogance than ignorance.

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3 minutes ago, BA14 RED said:

Yeah you're right there more arrogance than ignorance.

Actually, I do remember laughing out loud at their fans when they scored first against us a few seasons back and they were singing 'one nil to the famous club...'

It would be brill to finish above them this season....

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Robbored

 

No, it's a cheap fishing post-

 

Cotterill never played 3-5-2 at Burnley Portsmouth or Forest - his previous Championship jobs. KNC.

 

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Cotterill is an excellent League 1 manager but higher up he struggles with his fixed ideals about playing 3-5-2. 

Is this a cheap shot as well?

It's factually incorrect.

Cotterill's 'fixation with 3-5-2' came only after after he visited successful clubs in several countries to talk to their managers, study their training methods and find out what made them successful.

He came back determined to be successful in England playing 3-5-2, which of course he was at City, and may well have continued to be so had he been able to upgrade personnel to suit the system.

Of course, he has had previous success in the Championship (longest serving Championship manager at Burnley) without using 3-5-2, so the system is a relatively new project for him rather than a 'fixed ideal'.

I think he'll make it work again elsewhere, and it'll be a very fortunate club with ecstatic fans when he does.

Good luck to him.

 

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9 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

It's factually incorrect.

Cotterill's 'fixation with 3-5-2' came only after after he visited successful clubs in several countries to talk to their managers, study their training methods and find out what made them successful.

He came back determined to be successful in England playing 3-5-2, which of course he was at City, and may well have continued to be so had he been able to upgrade personnel to suit the system.

Of course, he has had previous success in the Championship (longest serving Championship manager at Burnley) without using 3-5-2, so the system is a relatively new project for him rather than a 'fixed ideal'.

I think he'll make it work again elsewhere, and it'll be a very fortunate club with ecstatic fans when he does.

Good luck to him.

 

Not sure if thats really considered a success, Dyche would be a success for getting Burnley promoted (and looks like he may yet again)

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12 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

It's factually incorrect.

Cotterill's 'fixation with 3-5-2' came only after after he visited successful clubs in several countries to talk to their managers, study their training methods and find out what made them successful.

He came back determined to be successful in England playing 3-5-2, which of course he was at City, and may well have continued to be so had he been able to upgrade personnel to suit the system.

Of course, he has had previous success in the Championship (longest serving Championship manager at Burnley) without using 3-5-2, so the system is a relatively new project for him rather than a 'fixed ideal'.

I think he'll make it work again elsewhere, and it'll be a very fortunate club with ecstatic fans when he does.

Good luck to him.

 

I wouldn't mind too much mate, when LJ get's the boot (whenever that might be and whatever he does or doesn't achieve) he will suddenly become shit as well, that's the law, apparently.

 

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8 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

You must know you`re scraping the barrel when you`ve got to share a studio with hollowhead though. Bet the next job can`t come soon enough!

Bolton?

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16 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Bet he`s one of the 50. He`d be daft if he didn`t apply.

Yep, he can say at any interview with a league one club,'well I won this division last season...' Not much to argue about there!

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Yep, he can say at any interview, 'well I won this division last season...' Not much to argue about there!

Certainly ticks that particular box and no mistake. I`ve no doubt he could turn them around providing he could shift out the overpaid wasters which could prove difficult as we know only too well.

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11 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

They dont have 70p let alone 70 million for a return to the Premier League....

Well Dean Holdsworth's consortium bought Bolton for £1 then immediately handed over £7.5m as working capital for the rest of this season and then provided an extra £10m as proof of future funding so they may have more than you think now...

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Look at his Stats...and he does quiet well with teams League 1 and below.

Championship and above...he loses more than he wins.

In fact it's quiet a big jump in percentage wins from Championship compared to lower leagues.

That's the facts for all to see.

Think he might do well at somewhere like Sheff Utd.

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37 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

It's factually incorrect.

Cotterill's 'fixation with 3-5-2' came only after after he visited successful clubs in several countries to talk to their managers, study their training methods and find out what made them successful.

He came back determined to be successful in England playing 3-5-2, which of course he was at City, and may well have continued to be so had he been able to upgrade personnel to suit the system.

Of course, he has had previous success in the Championship (longest serving Championship manager at Burnley) without using 3-5-2, so the system is a relatively new project for him rather than a 'fixed ideal'.

I think he'll make it work again elsewhere, and it'll be a very fortunate club with ecstatic fans when he does.

Good luck to him.

 

Absolutely true and very well put.

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35 minutes ago, spudski said:

Look at his Stats...and he does quiet well with teams League 1 and below.

Championship and above...he loses more than he wins.

In fact it's quiet a big jump in percentage wins from Championship compared to lower leagues.

That's the facts for all to see.

Think he might do well at somewhere like Sheff Utd.

Against LJ who won 1 more than he lost at Oldham and 2 more than he lost at Barnsley both in league 1, yet we still took him on.

Also didn't you say recently that stats don't tell the whole story?.

 

 

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What I just can't begin to understand is how we seem to get so many comments which verge on disrespectful/dismissive about Steve. I'll always remember how he took over from the frightening O'Driscoll when we were on our way to the basement. He steadied the ship, he kept us up and some.... then according to some which imo is rubbish, he bought L1 . Last season was pretty much the best I've ever had as a BCFC supporter and irrespective of the balls up in the summer, Steve will always be a hero to me and I can only ever be grateful for the fact that he gave me ( and the rest of us) the season we'd all been waiting   40+ years for.

IMO.

 

P.s And whilst I'm having a rant- that GJ bloke is also pretty brilliant and is just about to take his second West country club into the football league.

Edit: # **** Warnock

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39 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well Dean Holdsworth's consortium bought Bolton for £1 then immediately handed over £7.5m as working capital for the rest of this season and then provided an extra £10m as proof of future funding so they may have more than you think now...

I wonder How far into next season will £10m go if £7.5m only gets them through the rest of this season?  Not an easy job for anyone.  I'd leave it alone.

34 minutes ago, spudski said:

Look at his Stats...and he does quiet well with teams League 1 and below.

Championship and above...he loses more than he wins.

In fact it's quiet a big jump in percentage wins from Championship compared to lower leagues.

That's the facts for all to see.

Think he might do well at somewhere like Sheff Utd.

Stistically that's correct, but it's not quite apples vs apples....you have to take into account the clubs he's managed relative to their league.  Not me trying to be clever, just stating that it's harder to have a good win % at a less than average club for the division they're in.  Reverse applies too. :shifty:

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See Paul Williams is carrying a bit of timber now a days.

If my memory recalls didn't he go in goal when we played Derby away and it was live on West Match Plus.

We were getting well dicked then their keeper got sent off and we ending up winning 3-4 :)

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5 minutes ago, Sniper said:

See Paul Williams is carrying a bit of timber now a days.

If my memory recalls didn't he go in goal when we played Derby away and it was live on West Match Plus.

We were getting well dicked then their keeper got sent off and we ending up winning 3-4 :)

Some Derby guy came on and promptly scored an OG ?

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45 minutes ago, spudski said:

Look at his Stats...and he does quiet well with teams League 1 and below.

Championship and above...he loses more than he wins.

In fact it's quiet a big jump in percentage wins from Championship compared to lower leagues.

That's the facts for all to see.

Think he might do well at somewhere like Sheff Utd.

The unnecessary jibes against SC since he left are just that, unnecessary, but think that one deserves further scrutiny in terms of his 2 main spells in the Championship other than with us.

SC spent 3 years at Burnley in the Championship and won 55 and lost 56. Burnley fans recognize that they were punching above their weight at that time and in general have praise for him.

At Forest SC inherited the mess which the serially inept Steve McClaren left him and took them one from bottom (with Bristol City below incidentally) to comfortably avoiding relegation by 10 points.

Those are also facts mate.

 

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30 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Against LJ who won 1 more than he lost at Oldham and 2 more than he lost at Barnsley both in league 1, yet we still took him on.

Also didn't you say recently that stats don't tell the whole story?.

 

 

Indeed they don't show the whole story...but considering he's been in management longer than LJ, his stats gives a better mean average and indication to his abilities.

That's why I think he would do well at a league 1 Club.

The only thing that stops SC being successful at this level, is imo, SC himself.

SC became 'fixated' with playing in a very rigid formation that didn't work...he refused to budge on it.

The fact JP, Wade and LJ changed things so quickly and quiet easily, shows imo, that we do have the players to compete at this level...SC just refused to budge on his beliefs.

The fact JP and Wade changed formation straight away, used the whole squad and used Subs in a logical manner, and brought about instant change, proves to me that the people working closest to SC didn't believe in what SC was doing. SC completely lost the plot and became manic...you've only got to go back and watch his interviews to see that.

Perhaps he should have also 'studied' how the best coach's adapt to situations when things aren't going to plan.

6 minutes ago, NickJ said:

The unnecessary jibes against SC since he left are just that, unnecessary, but think that one deserves further scrutiny in terms of his 2 main spells in the Championship other than with us.

SC spent 3 years at Burnley in the Championship and won 55 and lost 56. Burnley fans recognize that they were punching above their weight at that time and in general have praise for him.

At Forest SC inherited the mess which the serially inept Steve McClaren left him and took them one from bottom (with Bristol City below incidentally) to comfortably avoiding relegation by 10 points.

Those are also facts mate.

 

Who's making unnecessary jibes...I've stated that imo he would make a good league 1 manager. How's that a jibe? It's a compliment in my book.

As for Burnley...you are correct...those are the facts. I'll disagree with what you say about their fans praising him though. Every Burnley fan I've known who spoke about SC dislike him. The people I know who work for Burnley detest him. However...they did say he would get promotion for us out of League 1.

And yes...he avoided relegation with Forest.

But like I implied...all his time in the Championship he has lost more games than won....with absolutely awful stats for us in the Championship...something like a 12% win rate...the worst by any City manager if memory serves me right...open to correction on that.

I can't see why people can't be happy for him doing what he did for us in League 1...that's an awesome achievement.

Why people think he was hard done by, and deserved more here makes no sense...especially when you see the up turn in results since he left.

Either way...we've been over this a thousand times...you love the bloke and won't hear a bad word said about him. Fair enough.

 

 

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Roger

 

Cheap shot number 2.

 

 

one thing Cotts has done since his sacking is that he has stayed classy and not slagged off the club or owner - in fact those who have spoken to him say he wishes us nothing but good.

 

Shame you couldn't follow his example and resist all the ignorant cheap shots. Move on - he has.

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7 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

 

 

Roger

 

Cheap shot number 2.

 

 

one thing Cotts has done since his sacking is that he has stayed classy and not slagged off the club or owner - in fact those who have spoken to him say he wishes us nothing but good.

 

Shame you couldn't follow his example and resist all the ignorant cheap shots. Move on - he has.

Really? You know everyone he's spoken to?

If you are a City fan I can guarantee he'll be lovely, charming and make you feel like the best fan in the world...and he will appreciate you taking the time to speak to him and be very open and pleasant.

Go and speak to a few Agents and scouts and coach's and you might get a broader more balanced view.

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