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2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

It's factually incorrect.

Cotterill's 'fixation with 3-5-2' came only after after he visited successful clubs in several countries to talk to their managers, study their training methods and find out what made them successful.

He came back determined to be successful in England playing 3-5-2, which of course he was at City, and may well have continued to be so had he been able to upgrade personnel to suit the system.

Of course, he has had previous success in the Championship (longest serving Championship manager at Burnley) without using 3-5-2, so the system is a relatively new project for him rather than a 'fixed ideal'.

I think he'll make it work again elsewhere, and it'll be a very fortunate club with ecstatic fans when he does.

Good luck to him.

 

What a great post. Nice to hear some sense at last

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

Indeed they don't show the whole story...but considering he's been in management longer than LJ, his stats gives a better mean average and indication to his abilities.

That's why I think he would do well at a league 1 Club.

The only thing that stops SC being successful at this level, is imo, SC himself.

SC became 'fixated' with playing in a very rigid formation that didn't work...he refused to budge on it.

The fact JP, Wade and LJ changed things so quickly and quiet easily, shows imo, that we do have the players to compete at this level...SC just refused to budge on his beliefs.

The fact JP and Wade changed formation straight away, used the whole squad and used Subs in a logical manner, and brought about instant change, proves to me that the people working closest to SC didn't believe in what SC was doing. SC completely lost the plot and became manic...you've only got to go back and watch his interviews to see that.

Perhaps he should have also 'studied' how the best coach's adapt to situations when things aren't going to plan.

Who's making unnecessary jibes...I've stated that imo he would make a good league 1 manager. How's that a jibe? It's a compliment in my book.

As for Burnley...you are correct...those are the facts. I'll disagree with what you say about their fans praising him though. Every Burnley fan I've known who spoke about SC dislike him. The people I know who work for Burnley detest him. However...they did say he would get promotion for us out of League 1.

And yes...he avoided relegation with Forest.

But like I implied...all his time in the Championship he has lost more games than won....with absolutely awful stats for us in the Championship...something like a 12% win rate...the worst by any City manager if memory serves me right...open to correction on that.

I can't see why people can't be happy for him doing what he did for us in League 1...that's an awesome achievement.

Why people think he was hard done by, and deserved more here makes no sense...especially when you see the up turn in results since he left.

Either way...we've been over this a thousand times...you love the bloke and won't hear a bad word said about him. Fair enough.

 

 

He is still a vastly, vastly superior manager to Mr S O'Driscoll

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11 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

He is still a vastly, vastly superior manager to Mr S O'Driscoll

And your point is?

 

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

As for Burnley...you are correct...those are the facts. I'll disagree with what you say about their fans praising him though. Every Burnley fan I've known who spoke about SC dislike him. The people I know who work for Burnley detest him. However...they did say he would get promotion for us out of League 1.

 

Maybe you only know Burnley.......... "scouts, coaches and agents"......... because for example the majority of fans on here:

http://boards.footymad.net/clarets-mad/2109605941/?pg=1#287IO2LMexwPJhy2.97

think he did a good job, perhaps best summarised by this:

I'd be interested to see what he'd do with a team with money to spend in the Championship because the only season where he spent more than he sold with us he had us up to 4th before that epic win-less streak which was surely influenced in no small part by us losing our only real goalscorer for 3 or 4 months to injury.
 
Its also interesting that while they appreciate what he did for them (the words "indebted" and "gratitude" crop up quite a lot) their main criticism of SC on that forum was his rigidity to a 4-4-2 system and boring football - well nobody could criticise him for that at Ashton Gate.

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4 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Maybe you only know Burnley.......... "scouts, coaches and agents"......... because for example the majority of fans on here:

http://boards.footymad.net/clarets-mad/2109605941/?pg=1#287IO2LMexwPJhy2.97

think he did a good job, perhaps best summarised by this:

I'd be interested to see what he'd do with a team with money to spend in the Championship because the only season where he spent more than he sold with us he had us up to 4th before that epic win-less streak which was surely influenced in no small part by us losing our only real goalscorer for 3 or 4 months to injury.
 
Its also interesting that while they appreciate what he did for them (the words "indebted" and "gratitude" crop up quite a lot) their main criticism of SC on that forum was his rigidity to a 4-4-2 system and boring football - well nobody could criticise him for that at Ashton Gate.

There is also this from another Burnley fan. Wow.


He wasn't good for us at the time, he was amazing for us. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been in the Championship for us to win promotion in 2009. We'd surely have been relegated to league one or worse. People don't seem to appreciate that while Coyle deserves the credit for actually getting us promoted, it was Cotterill that made it possible in the first place, against all the odds.

He should be revered as a legend, but barely keeping clubs afloat with no money and having to sell your best every season isn't sexy.
Read more at http://boards.footymad.net/clarets-mad/2109605941/#gDGlr7oOpHxdlyrO.99

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An excellent League one manager or poor Championship manager, it doesn't matter.

His achievements will always be remembered and will go down in Bristol City history.

Thank you Steve!

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11 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Maybe you only know Burnley.......... "scouts, coaches and agents"......... because for example the majority of fans on here:

http://boards.footymad.net/clarets-mad/2109605941/?pg=1#287IO2LMexwPJhy2.97

think he did a good job, perhaps best summarised by this:

I'd be interested to see what he'd do with a team with money to spend in the Championship because the only season where he spent more than he sold with us he had us up to 4th before that epic win-less streak which was surely influenced in no small part by us losing our only real goalscorer for 3 or 4 months to injury.
 
Its also interesting that while they appreciate what he did for them (the words "indebted" and "gratitude" crop up quite a lot) their main criticism of SC on that forum was his rigidity to a 4-4-2 system and boring football - well nobody could criticise him for that at Ashton Gate.

To be fair to you Nick...I've had a look through that link...and it has just as many people saying the same things as on this forum...it goes from one extreme to another.

One person says he's a legend...others say Burnley were better off without him...he ground out results...known as the crucifier because of that...fans saying he's found his level. Your link shows exactly the same as this forum...a mixed bag. SC is marmite.

So pulling out one post doesn't show how that forum feels...it's completely mixed.

You should think of going into 'Spin' for a politician Nick...think you maybe good at that ;-)

I really don't see what your point is...showing me what forum members on a Burnley forum isn't going to change my mind. It has in fact underlined everything I believe...that SC is marmite...loved by some, loathed by others.

We can agree to disagree.

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You can criticise the man and appreciate him at the same time. It's the nature of being a manager. I loved every bit of last year. I hated every bit of this year. It doesn't take away last years achievements but keeping him would've most likely meant playing for the same things next year. All clubs want to progress and we weren't this year under SC. Overall he was a success for the club but that doesn't mean everyone has to have a positive opinion about him. His first 25 games in the championship with us were almost as bad as it can get. He was stubborn with game policy and ungracious in losing. That's football though. Some amazing highs and some dreadful lows. Usually there is a progression one way or the other. We just had our highs and were immediately smacked in the face with lows. SC I'll remember fondly for what he's done but he's only got himself to blame for being gone and you can express that opinion without disliking his whole managerial career here. 

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9 hours ago, spudski said:

Why people think he was hard done by, and deserved more here makes no sense...especially when you see the up turn in results since he left.

 

That does downplay the significance of having last year's player of the season in this division and a player coveted by none less than Marseille at your disposal though  

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The first problem with 3-5-2 is that you can end up with a squad that can't play anything but 3-5-2.

Cotterill looked at the squad he had when he arrived at City and he decided, rightly, that 3-5-2 suited the players he had. He then added to it and it made sense to add players who worked well in that system. Summer 2015 arrived and I'm sure he intended to continue in that vein. He sold one of the few natural full-backs left at the club and tried to recruit yet another centre-half (regardless of quality, the club already had 5 senior centre-halves on the books). As we know, his recruitment went wrong and he was left with a league one quality squad that was only equipped to play 3-5-2 and nothing else.

The second problem with 3-5-2, at least the way City deployed it, is that it's an attacking, possession-based tactic that relies on being able to outplay the opposition tactically. Against league one opposition City regularly had 60%+ possession and could dictate how the game went. When they tried to do that at a higher level they were repeatedly caught on the break by opposing players who were able to take the ball off them. You can't play that way with inferior players and expect to succeed.

So Cotterill, who was initially pragmatic and chose the best formation for the squad, ended up locked into a position where he could only use a tactic that wasn't suitable for the situation

At this point it would be quite right to point out that changing the formation was possible because John Pemberton and Lee Johnson did it. They had to recruit to do so effectively but it clearly wasn't impossible. Therefore it is fair to say that Cotterill wasn't entirely bound by circumstances and was undone by his own stubbornness. I suspect he felt that the way the team played in 14/15 was too good to give up on easily and that one day the players would adapt to the higher level and things would suddenly click into place. This is obviously fanciful and contributed to his demise but it is, I think, understandable.

 

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10 hours ago, CodeRed said:

 

 

Roger

 

Cheap shot number 2.

 

 

one thing Cotts has done since his sacking is that he has stayed classy and not slagged off the club or owner - in fact those who have spoken to him say he wishes us nothing but good.

 

Shame you couldn't follow his example and resist all the ignorant cheap shots. Move on - he has.

Nonsense.

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11 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Some Derby guy came on and promptly scored an OG ?

Andy Comyn?

11 hours ago, NickJ said:

The serially inept Steve McClaren

 

Now that made I laugh - never heard it in quite those words before, but it does sum the man up perfectly

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3 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

You can criticise the man and appreciate him at the same time. It's the nature of being a manager. I loved every bit of last year. I hated every bit of this year. It doesn't take away last years achievements but keeping him would've most likely meant playing for the same things next year. All clubs want to progress and we weren't this year under SC. Overall he was a success for the club but that doesn't mean everyone has to have a positive opinion about him. His first 25 games in the championship with us were almost as bad as it can get. He was stubborn with game policy and ungracious in losing. That's football though. Some amazing highs and some dreadful lows. Usually there is a progression one way or the other. We just had our highs and were immediately smacked in the face with lows. SC I'll remember fondly for what he's done but he's only got himself to blame for being gone and you can express that opinion without disliking his whole managerial career here. 

Absolutely but the difference is that the one's displaying the RobboRedesque obsession are the one's that never wanted him and even found it difficult to praise him last season. As you rightly say that is the nature of football management but they will be the one's when LJ get's the sack, will defend him to the hilt whatever his record, just like some did over SOD, it is the overwhelming nature of wanting to be able to say I was right all along, albeit 2 years and 2 trophies later or 4 years later in other cases or even i'm sure he would have turned it around

Me I was underwhelmed by his appointment but was won over by his achievements, the obvious camaraderie that he engendered in the dressing room, something the previous 4/5 managers had failed to do spectacularly, the improvement and confidence he instilled into players that had failed under so called super coach SOD and the signings that he made that made the squad what it was.

Was he correctly sacked?, absolutely no doubt that he was correctly sacked, something had become distinctly rancid about his relationship with the owner and in fact he should have been sacked earlier, our championship survival was in the balance and with a new ground about to be fully unveiled next season relegation was unthinkable, hopefully MA is now the man that is more at home to do nasty stuff in football that SL obviously wasn't so keen on doing.

What about LJ?, again personally underwhelmed when he got the job but I have been impressed with his ballsy selections and substitutions and if last Saturday was a glimpse into the future then I like it and he speaks well and with humour, the only thing for me was the after the heavy and awful defeat at Hull, people were more or less saying that 'we were never going to get a result at Hull' well that appeared to be the attitude of the players as well, but the facts are different looking at the results before Hull played us and since Hull are a beatable team and LJ knew that it was a shocking performance, he looked one angry man to me and i'm glad he was angry, but i'm willing to say a bad day at the office. in the Rotherham game at least we didn't shrink from the physical challenge and Sheff Weds proved we can compete with anybody in this league if we believe and if we take our chances.

As for SC, thanks for the memories and I agree with Spudski Sheff Utd for me would probably be a good fit, wherever he goes best of luck SC.

 

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14 hours ago, NickJ said:

....the serially inept Steve McClaren....

Obviously Steve McClaren has struggled at clubs in this country but he did win the league in the Netherlands with an unfashionable club (FC Twente) and so took them into the Champions League - no mean feat in a division containing Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord...

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15 hours ago, spudski said:

To be fair to you Nick...I've had a look through that link...and it has just as many people saying the same things as on this forum...it goes from one extreme to another.

One person says he's a legend...others say Burnley were better off without him...he ground out results...known as the crucifier because of that...fans saying he's found his level. Your link shows exactly the same as this forum...a mixed bag. SC is marmite.

So pulling out one post doesn't show how that forum feels...it's completely mixed.

You should think of going into 'Spin' for a politician Nick...think you maybe good at that ;-)

I really don't see what your point is...showing me what forum members on a Burnley forum isn't going to change my mind. It has in fact underlined everything I believe...that SC is marmite...loved by some, loathed by others.

We can agree to disagree.

I think if we do not agree, then by definition we disagree, but there is no spin on my part, in fact I'd say you are the Peter Mandleson of OTIB.

You said every Burnley fan you know hate SC, I have shown that it is far from the case Burnley fans hate him - even a lot of the ones that didn't like the style of football, or his interviews, were grateful for the results he achieved.

You also said he is not up to managing in the Championship, but facts at Burnley over 3 years show that also not to be correct, particularly when they had little money, SC had to constantly bring in from sales more than he was able to spend, as recognized by the Burnley fans, even the ones that didn't like some of his characteristics.

 

What is also apparent, skimming through the Burnley and Forest forums, is that SC changed big time, in relation to style of play.

At those teams, the fans recognize he got the job done but at the expense of football. Here, he wanted a slick, passing entertaining team, which maybe was part of his downfall, but also suggests a willingness to change, where warranted.

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9 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I think if we do not agree, then by definition we disagree, but there is no spin on my part, in fact I'd say you are the Peter Mandleson of OTIB. I disagree ;-)

You said every Burnley fan you know hate SC, I have shown that it is far from the case Burnley fans hate him - even a lot of the ones that didn't like the style of football, or his interviews, were grateful for the results he achieved.

You also said he is not up to managing in the Championship, but facts at Burnley over 3 years show that also not to be correct, particularly when they had little money, SC had to constantly bring in from sales more than he was able to spend, as recognized by the Burnley fans, even the ones that didn't like some of his characteristics.

 

What is also apparent, skimming through the Burnley and Forest forums, is that SC changed big time, in relation to style of play.

At those teams, the fans recognize he got the job done but at the expense of football. Here, he wanted a slick, passing entertaining team, which maybe was part of his downfall, but also suggests a willingness to change, where warranted.

As for every Burnley fan I know...they do hate SC. I don't know anyone on that forum. And as I pointed out to you...the posts on that forum are mixed...like on here. He's marmite.

As for him being a manager in the Championship...I pointed out that his record shows he loses more games than he wins. And has less than a 34 % win rate.

In the lower leagues it is much higher...hence my suggestion he could do well at Sheffield Utd.

That is totally different to what you are implying...nice effort at spin again.

As for your last sentence...Where did he change this season? He was so stubborn...if there was ever a willingness needed to change, then it was this season and highly warranted. Perhaps he'd still be here if he did.

So he kept teams up at the expense of football...then tried to play football at the expense of results.

Seems he needs to find a happy medium and change at the right times.

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2 hours ago, NickJ said:

I think if we do not agree, then by definition we disagree, but there is no spin on my part, in fact I'd say you are the Peter Mandleson of OTIB.

You said every Burnley fan you know hate SC, I have shown that it is far from the case Burnley fans hate him - even a lot of the ones that didn't like the style of football, or his interviews, were grateful for the results he achieved.

You also said he is not up to managing in the Championship, but facts at Burnley over 3 years show that also not to be correct, particularly when they had little money, SC had to constantly bring in from sales more than he was able to spend, as recognized by the Burnley fans, even the ones that didn't like some of his characteristics.

 

What is also apparent, skimming through the Burnley and Forest forums, is that SC changed big time, in relation to style of play.

At those teams, the fans recognize he got the job done but at the expense of football. Here, he wanted a slick, passing entertaining team, which maybe was part of his downfall, but also suggests a willingness to change, where warranted.

On the flip side of that, alot of Forest fans wanted him gone for his style of play... Its where 'Cotterball' originated and was well documented on here about Forest fans opinions when he was appointed here.

Also there was no evidence of this entertaining slick passing game in the final 14 games or so or after Cardiff away... it was appalling and he was justifiably sacked

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37 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

On the flip side of that, alot of Forest fans wanted him gone for his style of play... Its where 'Cotterball' originated and was well documented on here about Forest fans opinions when he was appointed here.

Also there was no evidence of this entertaining slick passing game in the final 14 games or so or after Cardiff away... it was appalling and he was justifiably sacked

Managers and coaches have struggled to impress the locals there for, ooh, about 23 years now. Can't think why...

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On 11/04/2016 at 23:15, CodeRed said:

 

 

Roger

 

Cheap shot number 2.

 

 

one thing Cotts has done since his sacking is that he has stayed classy and not slagged off the club or owner - in fact those who have spoken to him say he wishes us nothing but good.

 

Shame you couldn't follow his example and resist all the ignorant cheap shots. Move on - he has.

Cross my palm with silver...............

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On 11 April 2016 at 03:15, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well Dean Holdsworth's consortium bought Bolton for £1 then immediately handed over £7.5m as working capital for the rest of this season and then provided an extra £10m as proof of future funding so they may have more than you think now...

Out of interest what exactly has happened to their debt mountain of around £175 million? Has it partially or largely written off by the previous owners?

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55 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

Out of interest what exactly has happened to their debt mountain of around £175 million? Has it partially or largely written off by the previous owners?

I think the previous owner was happy to write it off if they found a buyer, might be wrong

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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 19:53, cheshire_red said:

He said last week he had met the Forest Chairman by accident

....no serious damage caused, exchanged insurance details, shook hands and and continued their journeys ? 

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If SC is a Championship quality manager then no doubt his next role will be at a Championship club.

A lot of the ancedotal evidence seems to suggest he'll end up at a L1 club though.

Personally, I think it is very unlikely a Championship board would go for him. You can never say never - as Dave Hockaday to Leeds proved - as there are some crazy owners about but I very much doubt anyone at this level would take a risk on him as manager.

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34 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

If SC is a Championship quality manager then no doubt his next role will be at a Championship club.

A lot of the ancedotal evidence seems to suggest he'll end up at a L1 club though.

Personally, I think it is very unlikely a Championship board would go for him. You can never say never - as Dave Hockaday to Leeds proved - as there are some crazy owners about but I very much doubt anyone at this level would take a risk on him as manager.

But other clubs would take a risk with a league 1 manager with an average league 1 record?, can't think of anyone off the top of my head ATM.

 

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18 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

But other clubs would take a risk with a league 1 manager with an average league 1 record?, can't think of anyone off the top of my head ATM.

 

Maybe its more to do with LJs potential and credentials rather than his average L1 record... certainly impressed so far IMO

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On 11 April 2016 at 23:24, spudski said:

Really? You know everyone he's spoken to?

If you are a City fan I can guarantee he'll be lovely, charming and make you feel like the best fan in the world...and he will appreciate you taking the time to speak to him and be very open and pleasant.

Go and speak to a few Agents and scouts and coach's and you might get a broader more balanced view.

Re your last sentence, I'm sure the same applies to a lot of players and managers.

Me, as an average City supporting football fan, I think what he gave us last season was fantastic, I'm more than happy to leave it there and don't feel the need to slag him off like others.

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12 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

Re your last sentence, I'm sure the same applies to a lot of players and managers.

Me, as an average City supporting football fan, I think what he gave us last season was fantastic, I'm more than happy to leave it there and don't feel the need to slag him off like others.

Indeed it does PB...However haven't slagged him off and neither have others.

Funnily I remember talking to a certain ex manager of ours that's considered a bit of a legend by some. It was in amongst a group of five people at Cheltenham cricket festival. Football was being spoken about, and for some reason he started slagging the Club off, the board and it's fans. When someone else said they were good friends and played golf with one of our ex players and another ex manager, he changed his tone completely and made like it was a joke.

 

People just seem to get highly offended when someone dares question SC's qualities as a Championship manager.

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21 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

Maybe its more to do with LJs potential and credentials rather than his average L1 record... certainly impressed so far IMO

Ah right, potential probably, credentials? what credentials?.

Yes he is doing OK but no more than what his old man did in his first league 1 season with us, Millen did in his first championship season with us, DMC did in his first championship season with us and SC did in his first league season with us and 2 gained promotion but were both eventually sacked and the other 2 were just sacked, it's what they do in the 2nd season that he will be judged on, but it's a good start but not that unusual by our standards.

 

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15 hours ago, City169 said:

I think the previous owner was happy to write it off if they found a buyer, might be wrong

Yep, but I think gets some kind of 'dividend' each year for the next few years....something like £3m per year.  Not sure where I read it, and whether that was part of the final deal.

Whatever it was, they no longer have £170m debt.

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His credentials of what he did at Oldham and Barnsley... Harry (the poster) posted a very good article a while back when LJ was appointed, notably off field as well as on field. How you can compare L1 managers to Championship is ridiculous in terms of level of competition.

Just for the record SC's half season was appalling upto the last 12 games or so plus Johnson Sr lost 9/10 games from his first 12 so not quite the same

Edit:- that was in response to EMB

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51 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

But other clubs would take a risk with a league 1 manager with an average league 1 record?, can't think of anyone off the top of my head ATM.

Thought this thread was about SC? I mean you could just address the points I made in my post against SC instead of deflecting the debate to LJ?

But if you want to chat LJ then I would say this. If you wanted to go and appoint a young, upcoming, well-respected coach in the Eddie Home sort of mould then if you look at LJ's experience at such a young age along with the league position of Barnsley when he left then I think you'll find he's about as good as we could've hoped for in terms of meeting that criteria. I can only think of maybe Justin Edinburgh (though he has 10 years on LJ) as another promising young manager who was flying with Gills at the time.

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On 11 April 2016 at 21:19, spudski said:

Look at his Stats...and he does quiet well with teams League 1 and below.

Championship and above...he loses more than he wins.

When did SC manage a club above the championship?!

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5 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

When did SC manage a club above the championship?!

He hasn't mate...just a term I probably shouldn't have used.

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2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Thought this thread was about SC? I mean you could just address the points I made in my post against SC instead of deflecting the debate to LJ?

But if you want to chat LJ then I would say this. If you wanted to go and appoint a young, upcoming, well-respected coach in the Eddie Home sort of mould then if you look at LJ's experience at such a young age along with the league position of Barnsley when he left then I think you'll find he's about as good as we could've hoped for in terms of meeting that criteria. I can only think of maybe Justin Edinburgh (though he has 10 years on LJ) as another promising young manager who was flying with Gills at the time.

I agree his next job will probably be 1st division and I agree never say never about a championship club, but your post meandered into qualifications and owners taking risks and LJ is certainly a risk.

 

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3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

 If you wanted to go and appoint a young, upcoming, well-respected coach in the Eddie Home sort of mould then if you look at LJ's experience at such a young age along with the league position of Barnsley when he left then I think you'll find he's about as good as we could've hoped for in terms of meeting that criteria.

If attracting a manager previously sitting at 18th in League One - with one of the bigger teams in that division - is the best we can aspire to I seriously worry mate.

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5 minutes ago, NickJ said:

If attracting a manager previously sitting at 18th in League One - with one of the bigger teams in that division - is the best we can aspire to I seriously worry mate.

Barnsley were 12th and on their way to Wembley when Johnson left them....

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No, seriously, we're doing the LJ bit again:mf_sleep:

Nick lets leave that until the next defeat/victory /draw or:P even next season

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4 minutes ago, twodogs said:

No, seriously, we're doing the LJ bit again:mf_sleep:

Nick lets leave that until the next defeat/victory /draw or:P even next season

I thought I was bad with SoD...but after meeting SC it's become intolerable and blinkered...almost obsessive ;-)

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4 hours ago, spudski said:

Indeed it does PB...However haven't slagged him off and neither have others.

Funnily I remember talking to a certain ex manager of ours that's considered a bit of a legend by some. It was in amongst a group of five people at Cheltenham cricket festival. Football was being spoken about, and for some reason he started slagging the Club off, the board and it's fans. When someone else said they were good friends and played golf with one of our ex players and another ex manager, he changed his tone completely and made like it was a joke.

 

People just seem to get highly offended when someone dares question SC's qualities as a Championship manager.

 

Can't imagine GJ doing anything like this as he's very fond of the club. Unless you're on about someone else, but I've no idea who it would be.

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10 minutes ago, BCFC Jordan said:

 

Can't imagine GJ doing anything like this as he's very fond of the club. Unless you're on about someone else, but I've no idea who it would be.

Don't think you're old enough to remember ;-)

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4 minutes ago, spudski said:

Don't think you're old enough to remember ;-)

I did think that when replying! Least I can sleep well knowing it wasn't Gary. :)

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4 hours ago, spudski said:

Indeed it does PB...However haven't slagged him off and neither have others.

Funnily I remember talking to a certain ex manager of ours that's considered a bit of a legend by some. It was in amongst a group of five people at Cheltenham cricket festival. Football was being spoken about, and for some reason he started slagging the Club off, the board and it's fans. When someone else said they were good friends and played golf with one of our ex players and another ex manager, he changed his tone completely and made like it was a joke.

 

People just seem to get highly offended when someone dares question SC's qualities as a Championship manager.

Sam Hollis 

Bob Campbell 

Harry Thickitt 

Frank Bacon 

George Hedley 

Jack Hamilton 

Joe Palmer

Alex Raisbeck 

Joe Bradshaw 

Bob Hewison

ClarrieBourton 

Bob Wright 

Pat Beasley 

Peter Doherty 

Fred Ford 

Alan Dicks 

Bob Houghton 

Roy Hodgson 

Terry Cooper 

Joe Jordan 

Jimmy Lumsden 

Denis Smith

Russell Osman 

Joe Jordan 

John Ward 

Benny Lennartsson 

Tony Pulis 

Tony Fawthrop

Danny Wilson 

Brian Tinnion 

Gary Johnson 

Steve Coppell 

Keith Millen 

Derek McInnes 

Sean O'Driscoll 

Steve Cotterill 

 

 

I had a think about it and narrowed it down to one of these :read:

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3 minutes ago, spudski said:

Between 19 and 1 from the end and he got us promoted ;-)

So Cooper, Jordan, Ward or Johnson?

With @BCFC Jordan possibly too young to remember (pretty sure from past posts that I'm a similar age) I'll knock it down to Cooper or Jordan.

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19 minutes ago, City169 said:

So Cooper, Jordan, Ward or Johnson?

With @BCFC Jordan possibly too young to remember (pretty sure from past posts that I'm a similar age) I'll knock it down to Cooper or Jordan.

I'm not saying...but no to your answer...Doh! Given that one away haha...

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2 hours ago, NickJ said:

If attracting a manager previously sitting at 18th in League One - with one of the bigger teams in that division - is the best we can aspire to I seriously worry mate.

I'm sure you'd agree that LJ has done a great job since he's arrived though, right?

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