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Excellent as always Havana .

20% of housing unfit for human habitation you say? It will make Tone's condensed version a foregone conclusion.

Another tough game for us today and think we might be pleased with a draw.

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1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

Good day to one and all. It is rather strange how, when I am searching for relevant or interesting topics for each Match Day, I come across coincidences. They might be rather irrelevant but they add a bit of interest, at least that is what i think and what is a thread if not of interest to all of us or, at the very least, most of us. So if I make the remark that the Burger Bar Boys are coming today to 'receive' a beating from the Johnson Crew would it mean anything? To those who tend to watch and follow gang culture they might. They are both, or were, rather notorious gangs from Aston and the former were involved in some murders that hit the national news in 2003 when 2 girls died when they got hit in cross fire as the Johnson Crew were targeted. I am merely using a simile that connects Aston to Bristol City via the Johnson Crew. So hopefully we can give Aston Villa a metaphorical beating today.

And our 'on this very day' event this week is Krakatoa which really requires little introduction to anyone but it is a fascinating piece of history.

To this day Krakatoa remains the most powerful volcanic eruption in recorded history. A small, uninhabited, volcanic island located west of Sumatra in Indonesia the explosion of which was heard 3,000 miles away and threw five cubic miles of earth 50 miles into the air, created 120-foot tsunamis and killed 36,000 people.

Krakatoa exhibited its first stirrings in more than 200 years on May 20, 1883. A German warship passing by reported a seven-mile high cloud of ash and dust over Krakatoa. For the next two months, similar explosions would be witnessed by commercial liners and natives on nearby Java and Sumatra. With little to no idea of the impending catastrophe, the local inhabitants greeted the volcanic activity with festive excitement.

On August 26 and August 27, excitement turned to horror as Krakatoa literally blew itself apart, setting off a chain of natural disasters that would be felt around the world for years to come. An enormous blast on the afternoon of August 26 destroyed the northern two-thirds of the island; as it plunged into the Sunda Strait. Talking of eruptions...

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This rather square shaped affair is a volcanic island named after our venerable city and has, since May of this year, blown its top in anger. The core heat source of course being red and everything around it being a rather icy blue seen from satellite. Bristol Island is one of the more southerly of the South Sandwich Islands in the South Atlantic. Something is stirring in Bristol. There is a Villa island located north of Trondheim, Norway, its a bit tiny and insignificant at less than half a square mile unlike Bristol Island, at 18 square miles, which remains the least researched island of the arcing South Sandwich chain due to its largely ice capped terrain and inaccessibility. The fact it is stirring for the first time since 1956, just after City's last title winning season before our recent League 1 triumph suggests there is renewed fire in the belly. I shall be watching the continued activity of Bristol Island with interest.

Talking of insignificant things Aston only has a population of 32,000. Being incorporated, as Aston Manor, into the city of Birmingham only in 1909. Aston, although famous for Aston Hall designed by John Thorpe for Sir Thomas Holte and later leased by James Watt Jr, the son of Industrial pioneer James Watt, there are not that many great buildings of note in the borough. In fact it was the most deprived area of Birmingham for many years with 20% of homes up to the 1950's not 'fit for human habitation' according to a health service report of the day. Large scale refurbishments of terraced housing were not carried out until the 1980's. The juxtaposition of Aston Hall, a classic Jacobean style building that was the first to enter municipal ownership in the mid 19th century, with such depravity is stark. But Aston does have Aston Villa. Clearly the most successful club in Birmingham with a glorious history and until its disastrous last campaign in the Premier League was the 6th longest consecutively serving club in the top flight, since 1988/9 season, and second only to Everton in total number of seasons, 97.

As a youngster I cannot forget the six seasons, one after the other, that English clubs won the European Cup culminating in Villa in 1982; Liverpool 3, Nottingham Forest 2 and Villa 1. We were the kings of Europe and at that time I thought it was going to carry on forever! That Villa team under Tony Barton played some beautiful football. Just remember these players:-

Jimmy Rimmer, Kenny Swain, Gary Williams, Allan Evans, Ken McNaught, Dennis Mortimer (c), Des Bremner, Gary Shaw, Peter Withe, Gordon Cowans and Tony Morley. 

Paul Breitner,  Dieter Hoeneß and Karl Heinz Rummenigge played for Bayern.

Peter Withe, who was man of the match that night at De Kuip in Rotterdam, was eulogised in these famous words by the best football commentator I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, Brian Moore:- "Shaw, Williams, prepared to venture down the left. There's a good ball in for Tony Morley. Oh, it must be and it is! It's Peter Withe" . They beat the mighty Bayern Munich 1-0. That sign adorns the North Stand at Villa Park, I believe, to this day.

One of the most memorable incidents of the final occurred after 10 minutes when veteran goalkeeper Jimmy Rimmer suffered a repeat of a recurring shoulder injury. His replacement, Nigel Spink, subsequently made only his second first team appearance for the club. His performance in helping prevent Bayern from scoring throughout the match was subsequently highly praised, and is seen by many as the making of a player who would be Villa's first choice goalkeeper for the following 10 seasons.

Villa now have to rebuild and like all of the West Midlands clubs under Chinese ownership; what a bizarre sequence of events that led all three famous clubs to relinquish control to the rather disliked Asian nation. I hope it goes well for the sake of the fans but crikey oh reilly are we all lucky we have not only a British owner but a Bristolian one at that. I would not trade places with Villa in a million years. 

So, to todays clash of the crest fallen and the rising reds. Surely we can turn decent displays over Norwich and, particularly, Newcastle into a win? I really do hope City can secure the services of a proven goal grabber before the window shuts in spite of the words of Lee Johnson telling the press he is happy with all he has done in the window even if no striker does come in. That said we do have the talent to open up Villa and I think we will. Tight affair, as all Championship matches are likely to be, but i think we will just edge it 2-1. Abraham and Flint; no need for a Christmas tree, just get on and do the job. UTC. Enjoy the match. 23,800 ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Top post again H , well done . 

I always associate Krakatoa with Fawlty Towers and Mrs Richards , our very own Joan Sanderson , who was disappointed with her Torquay hôtel Bedroom view , is it a sign ? 

If it was would the Paper boy réarrange thé letters to spell a City victory ? 

Like you , I'm going for a narrow home win .

 

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

So if I make the remark that the Burger Bar Boys are coming today to 'receive' a beating from the Johnson Crew would it mean anything? To those who tend to watch and follow gang culture they might. They are both, or were, rather notorious gangs from Aston and the former were involved in some murders that hit the national news in 2003 when 2 girls died when they got hit in cross fire as the Johnson Crew were targeted. I am merely using a simile that connects Aston to Bristol City via the Johnson Crew. So hopefully we can give Aston Villa a metaphorical beating today

A rather crass analogy if you ask me; comparing the killing of 2 people to a game of football. 

Changing tack though, how many "played for both" - recently there was obviously Baker on loan last season and the now departed Derek Williams as well as our beloved Scotty Murray but has anyone in recent times gone from BS3 to B6? 

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Good day to one and all. It is rather strange how, when I am searching for relevant or interesting topics for each Match Day, I come across coincidences. They might be rather irrelevant but they add a bit of interest, at least that is what i think and what is a thread if not of interest to all of us or, at the very least, most of us. So if I make the remark that the Burger Bar Boys are coming today to 'receive' a beating from the Johnson Crew would it mean anything? To those who tend to watch and follow gang culture they might. They are both, or were, rather notorious gangs from Aston and the former were involved in some murders that hit the national news in 2003 when 2 girls died when they got hit in cross fire as the Johnson Crew were targeted. I am merely using a simile that connects Aston to Bristol City via the Johnson Crew. So hopefully we can give Aston Villa a metaphorical beating today.

And our 'on this very day' event this week is Krakatoa which really requires little introduction to anyone but it is a fascinating piece of history.

To this day Krakatoa remains the most powerful volcanic eruption in recorded history. A small, uninhabited, volcanic island located west of Sumatra in Indonesia the explosion of which was heard 3,000 miles away and threw five cubic miles of earth 50 miles into the air, created 120-foot tsunamis and killed 36,000 people.

Krakatoa exhibited its first stirrings in more than 200 years on May 20, 1883. A German warship passing by reported a seven-mile high cloud of ash and dust over Krakatoa. For the next two months, similar explosions would be witnessed by commercial liners and natives on nearby Java and Sumatra. With little to no idea of the impending catastrophe, the local inhabitants greeted the volcanic activity with festive excitement.

On August 26 and August 27, excitement turned to horror as Krakatoa literally blew itself apart, setting off a chain of natural disasters that would be felt around the world for years to come. An enormous blast on the afternoon of August 26 destroyed the northern two-thirds of the island; as it plunged into the Sunda Strait. Talking of eruptions...

Screen Shot 2016-08-27 at 10.48.30.png

This rather square shaped affair is a volcanic island named after our venerable city and has, since May of this year, blown its top in anger. The core heat source of course being red and everything around it being a rather icy blue seen from satellite. Bristol Island is one of the more southerly of the South Sandwich Islands in the South Atlantic. Something is stirring in Bristol. There is a Villa island located north of Trondheim, Norway, its a bit tiny and insignificant at less than half a square mile unlike Bristol Island, at 18 square miles, which remains the least researched island of the arcing South Sandwich chain due to its largely ice capped terrain and inaccessibility. The fact it is stirring for the first time since 1956, just after City's last title winning season before our recent League 1 triumph suggests there is renewed fire in the belly. I shall be watching the continued activity of Bristol Island with interest.

Talking of insignificant things Aston only has a population of 32,000. Being incorporated, as Aston Manor, into the city of Birmingham only in 1909. Aston, although famous for Aston Hall designed by John Thorpe for Sir Thomas Holte and later leased by James Watt Jr, the son of Industrial pioneer James Watt, there are not that many great buildings of note in the borough. In fact it was the most deprived area of Birmingham for many years with 20% of homes up to the 1950's not 'fit for human habitation' according to a health service report of the day. Large scale refurbishments of terraced housing were not carried out until the 1980's. The juxtaposition of Aston Hall, a classic Jacobean style building that was the first to enter municipal ownership in the mid 19th century, with such depravity is stark. But Aston does have Aston Villa. Clearly the most successful club in Birmingham with a glorious history and until its disastrous last campaign in the Premier League was the 6th longest consecutively serving club in the top flight, since 1988/9 season, and second only to Everton in total number of seasons, 97.

As a youngster I cannot forget the six seasons, one after the other, that English clubs won the European Cup culminating in Villa in 1982; Liverpool 3, Nottingham Forest 2 and Villa 1. We were the kings of Europe and at that time I thought it was going to carry on forever! That Villa team under Tony Barton played some beautiful football. Just remember these players:-

Jimmy Rimmer, Kenny Swain, Gary Williams, Allan Evans, Ken McNaught, Dennis Mortimer (c), Des Bremner, Gary Shaw, Peter Withe, Gordon Cowans and Tony Morley. 

Paul Breitner,  Dieter Hoeneß and Karl Heinz Rummenigge played for Bayern.

Peter Withe, who was man of the match that night at De Kuip in Rotterdam, was eulogised in these famous words by the best football commentator I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, Brian Moore:- "Shaw, Williams, prepared to venture down the left. There's a good ball in for Tony Morley. Oh, it must be and it is! It's Peter Withe" . They beat the mighty Bayern Munich 1-0. That sign adorns the North Stand at Villa Park, I believe, to this day.

One of the most memorable incidents of the final occurred after 10 minutes when veteran goalkeeper Jimmy Rimmer suffered a repeat of a recurring shoulder injury. His replacement, Nigel Spink, subsequently made only his second first team appearance for the club. His performance in helping prevent Bayern from scoring throughout the match was subsequently highly praised, and is seen by many as the making of a player who would be Villa's first choice goalkeeper for the following 10 seasons.

Villa now have to rebuild and like all of the West Midlands clubs under Chinese ownership; what a bizarre sequence of events that led all three famous clubs to relinquish control to the rather disliked Asian nation. I hope it goes well for the sake of the fans but crikey oh reilly are we all lucky we have not only a British owner but a Bristolian one at that. I would not trade places with Villa in a million years. 

So, to todays clash of the crest fallen and the rising reds. Surely we can turn decent displays over Norwich and, particularly, Newcastle into a win? I really do hope City can secure the services of a proven goal grabber before the window shuts in spite of the words of Lee Johnson telling the press he is happy with all he has done in the window even if no striker does come in. That said we do have the talent to open up Villa and I think we will. Tight affair, as all Championship matches are likely to be, but i think we will just edge it 2-1. Abraham and Flint; no need for a Christmas tree, just get on and do the job. UTC. Enjoy the match. 23,800 ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Condensed Version

Aston Villa:

Best described as the U bend in the toilet that is Birmingham that should be destroyed by a volcano.

Featured in the Doomsday book and hometown toilet of Black Sabbath

City 2-0

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This game has particularly important bragging rights attached to it for me. The office is full of Villains and whereas the best part of a year has seen them more depressed I think I've ever seen any set of fans, one of my mates issued the stark warning of 'we're going to give someone a pasting soon.'

When you look through their team they've got talent to rival Newcastle. So I hope we've got them just before they click. 

And yes, Aston is a complete shit tip. 

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Used to live less than a mile from the ground when I was at Aston University. It's more Witton than Aston I think. Not a nice area. Fortunately the university isn't there either, or I might not have escaped there in one piece. Perry Barr dog track and the Crown and Cushion pub were my (only) favourite bits of the area. And Villa Park, maybe the best ground in the country from an architectural perspective. 

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49 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

This game has particularly important bragging rights attached to it for me. The office is full of Villains and whereas the best part of a year has seen them more depressed I think I've ever seen any set of fans, one of my mates issued the stark warning of 'we're going to give someone a pasting soon.'

When you look through their team they've got talent to rival Newcastle. So I hope we've got them just before they click. 

And yes, Aston is a complete shit tip. 

I'm in a similar boat Fordy. Villa fans at work and I married in to a Villa supporting family so a lot on the line today. 

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Funny game for me.. My uncle is a Villa fan and used to take me to Villa Park occasionally back in the late 90s when they were top six regulars with players like Dwight Yorke and Dion Dublin. Before I was old enough to know better, I would tell people that City were my number 1 team but Villa were my "premiership team" Makes me cringe to think about that! I haven't been to Villa park since about 2001 and any affinity I have with them is mostly gone, but it will still be weird seeing them at Ashton Gate. COYR!!!

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34 minutes ago, NiceRed said:

Used to live less than a mile from the ground when I was at Aston University. It's more Witton than Aston I think. Not a nice area. Fortunately the university isn't there either, or I might not have escaped there in one piece. Perry Barr dog track and the Crown and Cushion pub were my (only) favourite bits of the area. And Villa Park, maybe the best ground in the country from an architectural perspective. 

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I was at Aston too (same time as Rob Fernandes who many of you might know). I always recall many Villa fans shaking their heads sadly when telling them who I supported, as if we were somehow insignificant. So today is doubly delightful for me. C'MON YOU REDS!

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Top post again H , well done . 

I always associate Krakatoa with Fawlty Towers and Mrs Richards , our very own Joan Sanderson , who was disappointed with her Torquay hôtel Bedroom view , is it a sign ? 

If it was would the Paper boy réarrange thé letters to spell a City victory ? 

Like you , I'm going for a narrow home win .

 

Hanging gardens of Babylon??

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45 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Arrogant bunch!!!

What, like it was a walk in the park when they lost to Luton recently!! Im getting fed up of these big timers!! Theyve been terrible for 4 seasons now and shouldve been relegated way before last season from the Prem. 

Comments like these really gives me hope to stuff them!!

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2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

A rather crass analogy if you ask me; comparing the killing of 2 people to a game of football. 

Changing tack though, how many "played for both" - recently there was obviously Baker on loan last season and the now departed Derek Williams as well as our beloved Scotty Murray but has anyone in recent times gone from BS3 to B6? 

Perhaps, if it was an analogy, yes but its not.

Even though all three are literary devices used as tools of comparison, metaphors and similes are both figures of speech, while analogy is not. An analogy is a rational argument that is used to explain how two apparently dissimilar things are, in reality, quite similar.

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