shelts Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Firmly believe we are all LJ and nowt else. Strap yourself in it's gonna get bumpy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Amazing that this thread was started 3 weeks ago and... well here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 23 minutes ago, Fiale said: Amazing that this thread was started 3 weeks ago and... well here we are. We were 22 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichrobin Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Michael ballack all day long but club aren't brave enough would transform the place, respected throughout football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 After yesterday I'm more certain than ever that we need a change. I was in the upper west stand (which is a great view by the way) and from up there you could just see the lack of confidence. The lack of movement in the midfield was glaring, and we are so slow on the break it's frightening. The better teams at this level spring forward at pace and in numbers... we are ponderous and always turn back towards our own goal waiting for support. Why doesn't that support arrive quicker? That's been happening for months now. I really believe that we have the players now to be doing so much better than we are. Apart from glaring weaknesses at full back we have a good squad of players, but LJ has no idea how to use them. He still has no idea what his best team or formation is. I really like the idea of someone like Grayson, if he'd take it. He gets the best out of what he's got. LJ palpably does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, norwichrobin said: Michael ballack all day long but club aren't brave enough would transform the place, respected throughout football. Would love us to try something like that. Working well for Reading and would be big publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yatesuperreds Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 how about Ronald de Boer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Would love us to try something like that. Working well for Reading and would be big publicity. Is he coaching anywhere PF ? Do you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Let's put it this way if SL does ever pull the trigger and LJ goes, I can't see LJ getting another manager's post any time soon. This was his one chance at this level (let's be honest, no one else would have employed him in the Championship based on his previous record) and he has blown it because he was too inexperienced. We desperately need someone who actually has achieved something as a manager, doesn't over complicate things, and gets the best out of the best squad of players we have had for years. Not too much to ask surely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 15/01/2017 at 23:49, BS4 on Tour... said: Mark Warburton could be interesting...did great things at Brentford Well, well...I might get my wish after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Well, well...I might get my wish after all... God I hope not. #carefulwhatuwish4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hopefully not one who still remembers Jeremy Beadle stunts and believes them to be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: God I hope not. #carefulwhatuwish4 Why do you hope not? You said on another thread he 'manipulated the press against his employers' - how do you know that? He left Brentford because he didn't believe in the Moneyball mathematical system that their owner wanted to instil - but Warburton still took The Bees to the championship play offs - not good enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Why do you hope not? You said on another thread he 'manipulated the press against his employers' - how do you know that? He left Brentford because he didn't believe in the Moneyball mathematical system that their owner wanted to instil - but Warburton still took The Bees to the championship play offs - not good enough for you? His impending departure from Brentford was leaked to the press. That much is well documented and in little dispute. If you look at the timing of that leak and Brentford's league position at the time, along with the reaction of the club, it seems unlikely that Brentford leaked it or would choose to have it unsettle the side as they were on the fringe in playoffs/promotion. I don't believe the moneyball spin. He left there because he, with his buddy McParland, wanted full control over signings. The bloke who owns Brentford wasn't having that but was painted as the villain in the press. The Rangers experience would seem to suggest that his reluctance to bin his strategy and give Warburton full say on transfers was well placed. Brentford seem to be doing somewhat better on player recruitment than Warburton since he left. QED. In answer to your question, the league position would be good enough for me. However, when a manager isn't particularly loyal (also well documented about Warburton) i wouldn't want my club solely reliant on him. It's a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: His impending departure from Brentford was leaked to the press. That much is well documented and in little dispute. If you look at the timing of that leak and Brentford's league position at the time, along with the reaction of the club, it seems unlikely that Brentford leaked it or would choose to have it unsettle the side as they were on the fringe in playoffs/promotion. I don't believe the moneyball spin. He left there because he, with his buddy McParland, wanted full control over signings. The bloke who owns Brentford wasn't having that but was painted as the villain in the press. The Rangers experience would seem to suggest that his reluctance to bin his strategy and give Warburton full say on transfers was well placed. Brentford seem to be doing somewhat better on player recruitment than Warburton since he left. QED. In answer to your question, the league position would be good enough for me. However, when a manager isn't particularly loyal (also well documented about Warburton) i wouldn't want my club solely reliant on him. It's a no from me. What manager wouldn't want control over signings? That's hardly a trait to use to criticise Warburton. I don't remember anyone criticising Sir Alex Ferguson for demanding the same. And you say Brentford's recruitment has improved since Warburton left for Rangers. Well, he signed Andre Gray for Brentford whilst he was manager, so your argument doesn't really stack up there. Brentford's change in philosophy was allegedly leaked to the press by one individual (i.e. their impending adoption of the Moneyball system) - it wasn't Warburton's departure that was leaked. And there's no evidence Warburton was involved in the leak. And Warburton launched an impassioned defence of Brentford's owner in the media whenever questioned at that time, commending his contribution to Brentford at every opportunity. I can't see how that is 'manipulating the press against his employers' as you say. Not sure how you can say he isn't 'particularly loyal' either - not sure what you mean by that, or how it is 'well documented'? One good example of him being loyal is when he was sporting director at Brentford (when Uwe Rosler was manager) and West Bromwich Albion offered him a similar role at the Hawthorns. He turned it down, saying he "simply couldn't walk away from Brentford and what they were trying to achieve." No real sign of disloyalty there - turning down a better job to continue his work with The Bees. It's a yes from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 If he wants/demands full control like an old school manager then it's all a moot point as he won't want the job here anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 15/01/2017 at 12:06, JASETHEACE said: I do think the next route we will go down will be a manager/head coach from abroad. Would probably make sense to look at Germany as appears is a very good market for decent players at the moment. I would suggest torsten lieberknecht who has a great record in the German second division and is also friends with klopp. Brilliant shout with Lieberknecht! Must admit I'm not too familiar with his work but a quick check of his stats and he seems to fit. I personally know that Jokanovic wanted the city job desperately around the mcinnes era. He could've proved fantastic but again could've been too soon. Also the crop of players were rather poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What manager wouldn't want control over signings? That's hardly a trait to use to criticise Warburton. I don't remember anyone criticising Sir Alex Ferguson for demanding the same. And you say Brentford's recruitment has improved since Warburton left for Rangers. Well, he signed Andre Gray for Brentford whilst he was manager, so your argument doesn't really stack up there. Brentford's change in philosophy was allegedly leaked to the press by one individual (i.e. their impending adoption of the Moneyball system) - it wasn't Warburton's departure that was leaked. And there's no evidence Warburton was involved in the leak. And Warburton launched an impassioned defence of Brentford's owner in the media whenever questioned at that time, commending his contribution to Brentford at every opportunity. I can't see how that is 'manipulating the press against his employers' as you say. Not sure how you can say he isn't 'particularly loyal' either - not sure what you mean by that, or how it is 'well documented'? One good example of him being loyal is when he was sporting director at Brentford (when Uwe Rosler was manager) and West Bromwich Albion offered him a similar role at the Hawthorns. He turned it down, saying he "simply couldn't walk away from Brentford and what they were trying to achieve." No real sign of disloyalty there - turning down a better job to continue his work with The Bees. It's a yes from me... Your argument somewhat proves my point. You believe that version of events if you want. My understanding is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: If he wants/demands full control like an old school manager then it's all a moot point as he won't want the job here anyway. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: Your argument somewhat proves my point. You believe that version of events if you want. My understanding is very different. My argument doesn't prove your point at all. For example, you say he's notoriously disloyal but he turned down a better job to stay at Brentford. That is a fact, not speculation. So you were wrong. You said he wasn't good at recruitment, yet he signed Andre Gray etc etc. Still, probably best to just move on and not continue a discussion when we won't agree on anything. Cheers though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: My argument doesn't prove your point at all. For example, you say he's notoriously disloyal but he turned down a better job to stay at Brentford. That is a fact, not speculation. So you were wrong. Still, probably best to just move on and not continue a discussion when we won't agree on anything. Cheers though! Yes. But he also went for the Norwich job whilst at Brentford. That's also fact. Anyway, agree....enough chat about him, we've got some northerners to beat today. You Reds!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: Yes. But he also went for the Norwich job whilst at Brentford. That's also fact. Anyway, agree....enough chat about him, we've got some northerners to beat today. You Reds!! My last post on this! (Probably!) I thought he was linked to Norwich whilst at Rangers...nothing too disloyal about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Well, well...I might get my wish after all... Stop dreaming . LJ is taking us into Europe like Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: My last post on this! (Probably!) I thought he was linked to Norwich whilst at Rangers...nothing too disloyal about that. No he deffo went for it whilst at Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JASETHEACE Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 11 hours ago, brizzlelou said: Brilliant shout with Lieberknecht! Must admit I'm not too familiar with his work but a quick check of his stats and he seems to fit. I personally know that Jokanovic wanted the city job desperately around the mcinnes era. He could've proved fantastic but again could've been too soon. Also the crop of players were rather poor. I think could be worth city looking at as I think could be a good fit and I personally would not replace Lee with any of the English managers that have been mentioned up to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, JASETHEACE said: I think could be worth city looking at as I think could be a good fit and I personally would not replace Lee with any of the English managers that have been mentioned up to now. I tend to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Jens Keller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 37 minutes ago, havanatopia said: Jens Keller To replace the one with apparently the same ability to see and hear as Helen Keller?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonR Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Pardew would be a Good Shout, If they dont get rid of lj soon im dropping my CV off at the gate. I got us into the premier on Football manager on the PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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