Savino Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I see that the BP is reporting that Zak is likely to start at Burnley. So we play the kid against a top Brighton side last year and watch him suffer, send him out on loan to gain experience and confidence, recall him and throw him in away to a Prem team with a great home record...... completely brainless! I just hope it's a false rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I think that is due to injuries. Also I think it would be a good game for him to play in . F A cup away from home. No real pressure on him . Hopefully he has improved. But still only 19 . Me personally I'm glad he's playing. Hope he does well and plays for the shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, Savino said: I see that the BP is reporting that Zak is likely to start at Burnley. So we play the kid against a top Brighton side last year and watch him suffer, send him out on loan to gain experience and confidence, recall him and throw him in away to a Prem team with a great home record...... completely brainless! I just hope it's a false rumour. I don't. Matthews and Little not 100% it makes sense to try and get them ready for the next 2, hugely important league games. I don't expect to see Tammy on Saturday either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's a free game. Play the bloody reserves. Two much more important games coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 He got good comments for his appearance for Accrington away at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Savino said: I see that the BP is reporting that Zak is likely to start at Burnley. So we play the kid against a top Brighton side last year and watch him suffer, send him out on loan to gain experience and confidence, recall him and throw him in away to a Prem team with a great home record...... completely brainless! I just hope it's a false rumour. Oh for God's sake, he appears to be our only fit right back, if Johnson didn't consider playing him, it would be "square pegs in round holes" or if he changed the formation to compensate it would be "the tinker man strikes again". The FA Cup is of secondary importance, this game is another opportunity to add to the kids experience. "Completely brainless"? do me a ******* favour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 He played against West Ham for Accrington earlier in the season, it's a cup game anyway - they'll make changes themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Start him. Good for him to get a game if he is to be needed for the Sheff W game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, View from the Dolman said: He got good comments for his appearance for Accrington away at West Ham. The club let Accrington play him against Premier League opposition? What on earth were they thinking, that it might help his development, surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Oh for God's sake, he appears to be our only fit right back, if Johnson didn't consider playing him, it would be "square pegs in round holes" or if he changed the formation to compensate it would be "the tinker man strikes again". The FA Cup is of secondary importance, this game is another opportunity to add to the kids experience. "Completely brainless"? do me a ******* favour! Can't Wright play right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: Can't Wright play right back? I am not sure, maybe? But I am sure Johnson would prefer to leave the back 3 as they are to give them another game to play together and build understanding. Isn't more right wing back anyway, I am not sure which of them has had experience of that position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Well I guess the OP just about sums up the mood on here at the moment. For years criticism has been given for not playing our youth and when we do- there's criticism. Talk about can't doing right for wrong. It's a game that we're unlikely to win in a competition we won't win without divine intervention. I'd prefer to see Zak in an away game where the result is not going to damage out league position further yet gives him a chance to show where he's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 This would mean that he can't go out on another loan now this season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I rate Vyner. RCB in a back three is perhaps his best position. Be interesting to see how he handled RWB. OP needs to get a grip because IMO we don't use our youngsters enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: This would mean that he can't go out on another loan now this season . Why's that Major? Three club rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Shtanley said: I rate Vyner. RCB in a back three is perhaps his best position. Be interesting to see how he handled RWB. OP needs to get a grip because IMO we don't use our youngsters enough. Do you base that on watching him in reserve matches, Shtanley? I haven't really seen anything to suggest he's of the right standard for Championship games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savino Posted January 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I don't have an issue with playing youngsters, Tammy has proved the point again and again, and for me players of the calibre of Taylor Moore could/should have been around to step in. Maybe I'm wrong, I just feel that Zak ended up with all the pre-debut hype about him crushed, and on his first game back he has a massive challenge. Really hope he has a great game if he plays, and genuinely happy to be proved wrong - to the benefit of our great football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I see no reason not to play him asnd lots of reasons not to select players we will need for the important games coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 If the Post is correct I think it means our efforts to sign a Right Back / RWB (prob on loan) are taking longer than hoped, leaving us with very few options. And if it looks like a new player won't arrive before the Sheff Wed game next Tuesday it actually makes sense to play Vyner on Saturday to bring him up to speed. So long as he doesn't have a complete mare - hopefully the experience of playing regularly at Accrington has brought him on a bit since the Brighton game! (Which wasn't a true reflection of his abilities anyway imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 55 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Why's that Major? Three club rule? Yes , LJ was talking about the dilemma . He wants to send Zak out on loan again but if he plays for us then he will have to stay here as back up or first choice if he does enough , as he's only nine that's a big ask . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Savino said: I see that the BP is reporting that Zak is likely to start at Burnley. So we play the kid against a top Brighton side last year and watch him suffer, send him out on loan to gain experience and confidence, recall him and throw him in away to a Prem team with a great home record...... completely brainless! I just hope it's a false rumour. Massive difference here. Last season he was plunged in at the deep end, did well but only three days later was asked to do a one on one job against Knockaert, when knackered from the exertions of his first game of men's football no doubt, who subsequently destroyed him. This season he has gone on loan, played plenty of games and will be up and ready for Burnley if selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Do you base that on watching him in reserve matches, Shtanley? I haven't really seen anything to suggest he's of the right standard for Championship games. I'd say mostly yes. I know it's league 2 but he was good at Stanley too. I think MK dons away last year he was excellent considering it was his first ever match at this level. He's not really good enough to be starting in an ideal Bristol city championship team right now of course but I don't see him sticking out like an obvious weak link. He's certainly got the physical attributes to become a championship player it's just whether he can nail down the tactics behind 1 position because changing from a RCB to a CB to a RB then to a RWB can't be too easy to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Can't Wright play right back? Our slowest player and not very comfortable on the ball, I wouldn't say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Aaron-Bcfc said: Our slowest player and not very comfortable on the ball, I wouldn't say so. He's a CB. They aren't made for speed. However while we have Wilbs and Tommo in the team I don't think he (or Hordur or Flinty) are ever going to be the slowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Red-Robbo said: He's a CB. They aren't made for speed. However while we have Wilbs and Tommo in the team I don't think he (or Hordur or Flinty) are ever going to be the slowest. I'm not slating him, that's why I said he can't play right back along with a lack of ball playing skills (which again, centre backs aren't made for). Wilbs I'll give you though I'm not sure why you have a perception that Tomlin is slow, he might be carrying a bit of timber but he can definitely shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Aaron-Bcfc said: I'm not slating him, that's why I said he can't play right back along with a lack of ball playing skills (which again, centre backs aren't made for). Wilbs I'll give you though I'm not sure why you have a perception that Tomlin is slow, he might be carrying a bit of timber but he can definitely shift Re: Tomlin. He does a JET-style sprint once per match and then spends 5 minutes recovering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I got no problems having youngsters around the first team but does this mean that Vyner has moved above Moore in the pecking order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Port Said Red said: The club let Accrington play him against Premier League opposition? What on earth were they thinking, that it might help his development, surely not? agreed, I bet he learnt more in that 1 game against brighton than 3 months on the training ground, how on earth is he supposed to improve otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Re: Tomlin. He does a JET-style sprint once per match and then spends 5 minutes recovering! I think you left the 0 off the 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, pillred said: I think you left the 0 off the 5 Harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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