Dogbert Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I really think that they have no case. Our argument will be that there was a figure which was in the media and we thought we would take a punt and see if it was just paper talk or genuine. They have to prove otherwise. Although I don't think the FA are bound by the "innocent until proven guilty" rules, if they decided to take action against us I am pretty sure we would fight it until we reached a court that will be. What if the actual figure was say £450k and that is what we bid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Am I way off line here, but in the last six months of a players contract, isn't he or his agent at liberty to talk to other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dogbert said: What if the actual figure was say £450k and that is what we bid? Well if that was the case, I guess it would put a different complexion on it, in fact any figure other than the one that was in the public domain would do so. It could be less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Loon plage said: Am I way off line here, but in the last six months of a players contract, isn't he or his agent at liberty to talk to other clubs? Yes but didn't he keep them hanging on and only sign a new contract for a year in July/August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 can a play disclose a clause in his own contract? after all I could give you personal details in my contract of employment if I so wish and am not bound by a confidentiality clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Yes but didn't he keep them hanging on and only sign a new contract for a year in July/August? 15th July. Therefore from mid January he or his agent could presumably talk to who they wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: can a play disclose a clause in his own contract? after all I could give you personal details in my contract of employment if I so wish and am not bound by a confidentiality clause Doesn't even have to come from the player - the club office, the law firm acting for either party. Never ceases to amaze me how when a player signs a contract everyone knows how much they are earning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: can a play disclose a clause in his own contract? after all I could give you personal details in my contract of employment if I so wish and am not bound by a confidentiality clause There may be a clause in a football contract that states you can't disclose the content of the contract to anyone other than your representatives. But even if there were it would be impossible to prove/enforce if that information is passed on verbally. Footballers must discuss their contracts with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: There may be a clause in a football contract that states you can't disclose the content of the contract to anyone other than your representatives. But even if there were it would be impossible to prove/enforce if that information is passed on verbally. Footballers must discuss their contracts with each other. Or family. I bet Zach Clough's dad knows the ins and outs of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 One other point - Arsenal certainly had "insider knowledge" of Luis Saurez's release clause, did they or anyone else get hauled up in front of the authorities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 20 hours ago, bearded_red said: I heard a rumour on Tuesday that Rovers had been desperately offering him to everyone else in this division after we triggered the release clause. Cardiff and Reading showed an interest but Taylor had already made his mind up about City. Could be nonsense of course, but the same guy (Rovers fan) knew on Monday night about Taylor joining us. They did offer two boxes of clothes pegs and a sack of lucky heather in with the deal but all to no avail . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: They did offer two boxes of clothes pegs and a sack of lucky heather in with the deal but all to no avail . They made the mistake of including a caravan in the offer, .... the Gas are into tents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 This (non) story will run for a while yet I'm afraid. Relatives in Ipswich have just rung for details as this "cause celeb" is now national news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 I can't see where there are any grounds for a complaint?? The daily mail posted this release clause in Jan, a gas head posted this on thier forum, a week later we bid that amount. On gas chat they are talking points deductions 10 million pound fines and the like. If the tables were turned I would be utterly embarresed by the club's conduct. There are posts again on gaschat asking for MTs address again. They need to get a grip and move on. Family club my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 I would have thought that the club would release an official statement, even just to acknowledge that they are aware of the complaint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooRya Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 He has a buy out clause of about £360k I posted the above in another Matty Taylor thread, on Nov 6th. I was told this by a current Bristol Rovers first team player. I don't even know the player personally, but just happened to meet him and during a conversation about the (then) current position of both clubs, he very freely gave this information, along with his thoughts that they would probably lose Taylor in January due to the release clause. Now, my question is, how many other people did this player freely give this information to, and if he knew the details, how many other Rovers staff knew the info and how many people did they tell? Personally, I don't think it's any surprise at all that everyone from here to Timbuktu knew about Taylor's release clause!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, ooRya said: He has a buy out clause of about £360k I posted the above in another Matty Taylor thread, on Nov 6th. I was told this by a current Bristol Rovers first team player. I don't even know the player personally, but just happened to meet him and during a conversation about the (then) current position of both clubs, he very freely gave this information, along with his thoughts that they would probably lose Taylor in January due to the release clause. Now, my question is, how many other people did this player freely give this information to, and if he knew the details, how many other Rovers staff knew the info and how many people did they tell? Personally, I don't think it's any surprise at all that everyone from here to Timbuktu knew about Taylor's release clause!! Presumably the player wasn't Taylor! Maybe Always the Victim FC should be looking closer to home. No, surely nothing could ever be their fault?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulton Red Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Too long a thread to trawl through so apologies if someone else posted. as I read things, City bid £300k on Saturday 28th january they are accused of using 'inside knowledge' of the release clause and agent or Taylor could be at fault. well it was in the papers on 24th January...daily mail and hitc http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/24/report-sheffield-wednesday-and-wolves-on-alert-as-matty-taylor-h/ see link (that has a date) that surely ends everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin phantom Posted February 6, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 and it still continues https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2790455/bristol-rovers-lead-rant-at-unqualified-agents-who-have-football-clubs-over-a-barrel-after-matty-taylor-transfer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, phantom said: and it still continues https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2790455/bristol-rovers-lead-rant-at-unqualified-agents-who-have-football-clubs-over-a-barrel-after-matty-taylor-transfer/ never their fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, phantom said: and it still continues https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2790455/bristol-rovers-lead-rant-at-unqualified-agents-who-have-football-clubs-over-a-barrel-after-matty-taylor-transfer/ 6 minutes ago, Monkeh said: never their fault Crying to the press because they know the FA will say there is no case to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, Monkeh said: never their fault It certainly comes across that way and City have done nothing wrong but he does have a point about unregulated agents. Maybe there should be more control over what agents are suitably qualified and a code of conduct agreed? The role of an agent does seem a tad murky TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, phantom said: and it still continues https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2790455/bristol-rovers-lead-rant-at-unqualified-agents-who-have-football-clubs-over-a-barrel-after-matty-taylor-transfer/ Waaah, a bigger boy took my ball.... I imagine the FA and FIFA have set up a special panel to review the whole system because they lost Matty Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, phantom said: and it still continues https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2790455/bristol-rovers-lead-rant-at-unqualified-agents-who-have-football-clubs-over-a-barrel-after-matty-taylor-transfer/ The gift that keeps on giving. Ignoring that the rumours about the release clause last year originated with other players in their squad and were perpetuated by their fans. What a whiney bunch of tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 From Slagchat Dec 20, 2016 at 8:35am harleygas said: From a good friend of Taylor's if he has a release clause it just means that any club that triggers the set amount will be able to talk to him.rovers will just get whatever the amount is and the clubs that trigger it will be free to offer taylor a contract.the only bidding war would be over taylors salary etc,rovers would just get the set amount which you say is 300k!! Dec 19, 2016 at 9:36pm paulpirate said: Dec 19, 2016 at 9:21pm Topper Gas said: Can you honestly see us paying any transfer fees unless we sell MT for a decent fee? why not? If we want quality it will cost Taylor's release clause £300k or above nothing less so we got to hope for a bidding And one for amusement- ' If he had a release clause as low as 300K he'd be long gone, I'm sure. That's peanuts to most championship clubs.' Yep - You got it SAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: It certainly comes across that way and City have done nothing wrong but he does have a point about unregulated agents. Maybe there should be more control over what agents are suitably qualified and a code of conduct agreed? The role of an agent does seem a tad murky TBH. why not complain when Taylor signed his new contract, They we happy for him to do that and happy to try and whore him to every other championship club in a bid for him not to sign for us, Sour Grapes trying to deflect attention away from the fact they haven't got a pot to piss in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, Nibor said: The gift that keeps on giving. Ignoring that the rumours about the release clause last year originated with other players in their squad and were perpetuated by their fans. What a whiney bunch of tits. I like the way the Sun have included Rover's loss to Barrow in the article . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Monkeh said: why not complain when Taylor signed his new contract, They we happy for him to do that and happy to try and whore him to every other championship club in a bid for him not to sign for us, Sour Grapes trying to deflect attention away from the fact they haven't got a pot to piss in I don't disagree at all Monkeh, I really don't. I can only guess that the release clause was the only way they could get him to sign? With the clause inserted, they must have known they would lose him and I wonder if they would be moaning if it were any other club but us TBH? They didn't have to agree to the clause in the first place but they would have lost MT for nothing so I don't see what they're complaining about. All that said, agents do have a murky reputation and it could do with tighter constraints IMHO, that bit I do agree with. The sour grapes, I obviously, do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 49 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: I don't disagree at all Monkeh, I really don't. I can only guess that the release clause was the only way they could get him to sign? With the clause inserted, they must have known they would lose him and I wonder if they would be moaning if it were any other club but us TBH? They didn't have to agree to the clause in the first place but they would have lost MT for nothing so I don't see what they're complaining about. All that said, agents do have a murky reputation and it could do with tighter constraints IMHO, that bit I do agree with. The sour grapes, I obviously, do not. I'm not getting at you it's aimed solely at the gas, i agree with the above though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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