JamesBCFC Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 If nothing is said the "ITKers" will claim all these 'issues' and people will swallow it because nothing has come from the club. When something is said those same people who seeming love to shit stir will come out and tell every one it is BS and that everything is falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... Nice to see your a city fan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 53 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: To be fair you don't need to be in the know to make an educated guess that the team spirit has not been the same over the last 3 years ie promotion season versus now, for example. You cant really compare team spirit to a title winning season though. Its easy to have good team spirit when youre winning every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Didn't one of the players come out with something a bit similar, just prior to Cotts' sacking? Racking my brain as to who it was, but I'm pretty sure there was an interview just like that. Maybe Adam Baker keeps a template in his press pack and just changes the name of the player quoted and under-threat manager to suit. Anyway, along with the owner's vote of confidence, and Johnson's nonchalant interview, a player coming out in support is yet more sign that the head coach's days are numbered. Look out for a black cat sitting in front of the dugout and a single raven circling overhead during the Burton game! What about an A frame over the dug out, and a sword suspended by a fine thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, old parkender said: Completely at odds with the managers statement from last week, "there are cliques in the dressing room" and"perhaps we need to socialise more" cant really blame wilbs, he's employed by Bristol city, he might even believe what he's saying, who knows? One things for sure, things aren't right at the club and if the Fulham performance didn't make it crystal clear to some people, nothing ever will. The continuity manager isn't do a good job, is like a poor soap opera where you see in inconsistency from episode to episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Should have told the club to stick this obvious propaganda up their arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 30 minutes ago, spudski said: It wasn't aimed at you...and I know you know your stuff. Nice of you to say but even that's only an opinion isn't it ! Same as my opinion about some very astute posters (I only have some confidence within myself about my opinion based on the fact that my opinion has been judged , in some aspects, by people I respect) Like all of us I doubt my opinion, however strong , and have certainly done so with regards to LJ , as there were so many supporters of him until a few weeks ago and thinking I'm missing something I've looked in their posts and the debates to find something I'm 'missing' Quite simply I've failed to do that save a 45 min performance against Derby and the spirit and discipline shown at Newcastle (I'm still hoping, praying that those positives will springboard us forward - ' Was it the big away game boost ' We will know a lot more at 5pm tomorrow) Those type of performances are what will convince the fans that all is not lost in the dressing room , not media releases Bear in mind it is still perfectly Possible, even likely that a group of players / part of the squad will put in performances or spirit at least for themselves and each other A coincidence that LJ named the same 11 Tuesday for just about the first time in how many months ? However...look back at our players during 'your time' and since...people in jail, fisty cuffs, fighting between players, cliques, gambling, drugs, players screwing other players wives, drink, drink and more drink...I could go on...and you think our lot are bad? C'mon mate, get some reality back. It's no different to before or any other club. Agree , all sorts occurs but in this instance we are in essence talking about players not having faith in the manager / believing in his philosophies / coaching / instruction - Not even whether they like him or not There have IMHO been some major bust ups between significant players and the head coach during the season and the legacy of these is likely to decide our fate one way or another IMHO The alleged Huddersfield incident is not the norm and the fallout and effect of that may be pivotal in our season Perhaps even more pivotal and the crux is what led to / what was behind that and other (alleged) incidents I really can't believe you've been taken in by some of the tripe written on here. I havnt There is some astute stuff, but the majority of threads are absolutely ridiculous. You want me to take seriously a fan who wants to chant 'Johnson out' for 90 mins and such like? And then call everyone a tool for not agreeing. So many threads like that...you earn respect. I don't respect idiots and others like that. Just because they are City fans...it doesn't make them not idiots or stupid. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of the crap on here. I repeat , I havnt - I was one of the first and vigorous critics of the LJ Midget banners and have either voiced my disagreement or liked those who have as regards as to some of the plans / suggestions Check my postings I do understand though just how ******** off people are and with LJs i/vs and sound bites and SL digging his heels in and appearing to get the hump has IMHO only made the situation worse The fact I don't agree with some actions or proposed actions is neither here or there , some of those actions are IMHO totally unacceptable and where necessary I've said so , some are not necessarily my idea of the best way forward but find less comfortable criticising The PR / media content coming from the Club is muddled and mistaken IMHO with a number of own goals As for the people that are 'astute' I agree...and some of them have scouting, or a coaching interest in that back ground. You can spot them a mile off. No doubt people are frustrated...and I can understand why some fans want LJ gone...but the majority of stuff written on here is total bullshit tbh. Diasagree that the 'majority' is Having passion for a Club shouldn't trigger the 'stupid' button imo...great leaders and thinkers are those that think logically under pressure. They don't rant and rave and point fingers and turn everything into a conspiracy or put a negative slant on everything to bash the club with.. Can't disagree Frustration and disappointment is one thing...heated debate is good. The rest of it is total bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Cracking post - You do explain / set out , what you're saying / your point extremely well Dave An art in itself and better than I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: Fair enough. But if he hasn't lost the dressing room he's either: A) a lacklustre man-manager B) a poor tactician Either way he's lost the fans and lost the plot. Sorry Lj, wanted you to be our Eddie Howe but sadly you're more our Iain Dowie. Well, when Dowie took over at Palace in December 2003 they were in 19th place in the championship - he got them promoted to the premier league that season.....so I wish LJ was our Iain Dowie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Great post Dave but far too sensible and realisitc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: So, in short you agree with me that we should take what he's said with a large pinch of salt? That's all you had to say... If you paint it as though it's a surprise the club are making sure he sticks to the script, you're going to get called out on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: We could do with a bit more work rest and play. **** the rest and play, concentrate on the first bit! 1 hour ago, john from high littleton said: The problem, as I see it is. Is that the experienced players we have, for one reason or another (fitness etc) have not actually played much. Wibs, GON, & Tomlin have pretty much been bit part players. Goldbourne is experienced at this level, but hasn't impressed. And the less said about Adam Matthews, the better . So I do feel we perhaps haven't had the wonderful mix of youth and experience, that some on here are suggesting! Yeah, valid point John. So disappointed with Golbourne and Matthews this season, we looked so much stronger last season with those two, two career full backs in a back 4 - looked solid all of a sudden. Massive disappointments this season, I'd hate to do the maths on what we've paid Matthews for the square root of **** all this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Well, when Dowie took over at Palace in December 2003 they were in 19th place in the championship - he got them promoted to the premier league that season.....so I wish LJ was our Iain Dowie... touché Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColeCiderRed Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 just another attempt by the club to suggest all is a bed of roses... manager is great players are great owners are great Bristol Sport is alive and well! Let's just say everything is OK, the fans won't notice.. Except the league position tells us everything and we do notice and have done since November! It's like SL can't accept he employed the wrong man for 'The Project' and is throwing everything except taking a hard look at himself for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Mrs Fevs, perceptive person that she is, always says that if someone gives too. I hope info to cover something or an excuse, it's normally a bit suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee F Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I honestly feel the 'Losing the dressing room' line gives a poor representation of what I think is happening. It makes it appear as though all,some, a few players do not like LJ. However I think that is not the full story or the case in this instance. I believe the real issue the players have is the tactical direction they are receiving is not what they feel or believe is the correct way for us to win games. I also think they are as bewildered as the fans to see the constant changes in selection and are viewing it as having a head coach who does not know the answers to the obvious problems we are experiencing such as leaking goals, unable to hold a winning position etc etc causing them to further question if the direction they are being asked to take on board is the correct one resulting in below par performances individually and as a team / squad and ending with even more doubts to the direction they are being taken in. Many times in all types of employ workers / players are expected to perform their duties in a certain way as directed by managers. If they do not believe this will achieve the desired result or performance they will not commit to the method 100% . From what I am seeing week in and week out the players are not playing with confidence or belief in any way. It would appear the overall 'Project' we hear so much about is not being bought by the players any more than it is the fans and until they can buy into a head coach they feel will lead them in the correct direction the sum total we are currently achieving will remain the same. Finally as a player on a 2 or 3 year contract why would you care about a 5 to 10 year plan? We are fans, we are stuck with it. Players are just employees earning a living (albeit a very good one) and will always be looking out first and foremost for themselves and not their current club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Has there ever been a player that's come out in a local interview and said "yeah I agree with the fans, sack the clueless****!" But on the 'nucleas' point, it was Wilbs, Pack, Flint and Frankie I saw sat down in nandos the other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bouncearoundtheground said: Has there ever been a player that's come out in a local interview and said "yeah I agree with the fans, sack the clueless****!" But on the 'nucleas' point, it was Wilbs, Pack, Flint and Frankie I saw sat down in nandos the other week. Dwindling in number !!! When we had tha fantastic spirit and bond within the L1 title squad I did wonder , that which had given us massive strength (That apparent 'Band Of Brothers') might prove a problem to evolve A potentially natural resistance to change / outsiders Ryan Fredericks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 hours ago, cityloyal473 said: The club are adamant everything is hunky dorey aren't they? Which as you allude to points to one thing... Wilbs was put up to it by Ashton at a guess? Where is that snake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... More shite from the Bristol Sport polit bureau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 This club is ******! Gonna watch the egg chasers next year if this carries on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Given the toxic mood inside Ashton Gate when City lost 2-0 to Fulham last week, Wilbraham is aware of the need to start well on Saturday. The toxic mood wasn't there at the start of the game, that happened from the passionless/gutless display on the night, a display where the team just surrendered the midfield and allowed a team to cut us to ribbons at virtually a walking pace. Gary Owers called it from the first couple of minutes and it never changed, I was under the impression that Holden sits high in the gods, so must have seen what Owers was watching, why wasn't the surrender addressed?. All throughout the commentary the most uttered sentence was "it's just far too easy". i'm sorry but this recent nonsense of turning on the support will be totally counter productive in the long run and has shit to do with the pathetic and embarrassing run of record breaking results, a manager out of his depth and coaching team finally being exposed as poor. Say what you like about the support at AG but in my experience they know when a team has given their all and when they haven't, sorry Wilbs the above statement is just misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Lee F said: I honestly feel the 'Losing the dressing room' line gives a poor representation of what I think is happening. It makes it appear as though all,some, a few players do not like LJ. However I think that is not the full story or the case in this instance. I believe the real issue the players have is the tactical direction they are receiving is not what they feel or believe is the correct way for us to win games. I also think they are as bewildered as the fans to see the constant changes in selection and are viewing it as having a head coach who does not know the answers to the obvious problems we are experiencing such as leaking goals, unable to hold a winning position etc etc causing them to further question if the direction they are being asked to take on board is the correct one resulting in below par performances individually and as a team / squad and ending with even more doubts to the direction they are being taken in. Many times in all types of employ workers / players are expected to perform their duties in a certain way as directed by managers. If they do not believe this will achieve the desired result or performance they will not commit to the method 100% . From what I am seeing week in and week out the players are not playing with confidence or belief in any way. It would appear the overall 'Project' we hear so much about is not being bought by the players any more than it is the fans and until they can buy into a head coach they feel will lead them in the correct direction the sum total we are currently achieving will remain the same. Finally as a player on a 2 or 3 year contract why would you care about a 5 to 10 year plan? We are fans, we are stuck with it. Players are just employees earning a living (albeit a very good one) and will always be looking out first and foremost for themselves and not their current club. Excellent post and (IMHO) very close to the mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: So now Wilbrahams integrity is being questioned.......... he is employed by the club, what do you expect; they do and say as they are told or they are history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, glos old boy said: he is employed by the club, what do you expect; they do and say as they are told or they are history Of course but no need to question a mans integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: Of course but no need to question a mans integrity. His comments about the 'toxic atmosphere' is totally misleading and comes across as being akin to recent comments about the fans from SL and LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: His comments about the 'toxic atmosphere' is totally misleading and comes across as being akin to recent comments about the fans from SL and LJ. Where does Aaron Wilbraham use the word 'toxic'? In this article (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/veteran-striker-aaron-wilbraham-addresses-those-rumours-surrounding-future-of-city-boss-lee-johnson/story-30175245-detail/story.html), the only person to use it is Andy Stockhausen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 The tunnel cam recently certainly didn't suggest there was a great spirit in the camp. Very flat both before and after the game. I would have hoped and expected to see a much more animated bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 So it's Wilbraham's turn then. Well, I suppose just about everyone else has had a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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