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Major Isewater

Tomlin, a white elephant ?

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Now we all know Tomlin is an immense talent but we are seemingly playing better without him .

He doesn't give the energy and movement that others offer and I don't believe it's chance that our results have improved with 10 outfield players running their socks off instead of nine .

It is a great shame but he has incredibly become surplus to requirements at Ashton Gate .

What should we do with him ? 

Move him on , build our team around him and hope he gets his mojo back ? 

He has been a big disappointment this season. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Now we all know Tomlin is an immense talent but we are seemingly playing better without him .

He doesn't give the energy and movement that others offer and I don't believe it's chance that our results have improved with 10 outfield players running their socks off instead of nine .

It is a great shame but he has incredibly become surplus to requirements at Ashton Gate .

What should we do with him ? 

Move him on , build our team around him and hope he gets his mojo back ? 

He has been a big disappointment this season. 

 

It is a shame, I can't imagine him, being part of that 31 pass move for example as I think he would have tried to beat 3 men or try something outrageous. Sometimes though you need that option as well. I would say that he gives you similar options to Patterson, but judging Patterson on current form he is more consistent in his delivery. 

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Unfortunately think it's going to be one of our most costly transfers. I don't think he will move on a perm this summer. Last summer he'd just reminded the whole division what he can do during his loan here and yet it was only us willing to meet BMouth's valuation. Even then it was a protracted transfer so if there was any more than slight interest from another party it would have been clear. This summer he'll be coming off the back of a shocker of a season, another falling out with a manager and his Huddersfield back-chat and perhaps outside looking in you wonder if he was fracturous in the dressing room.

My prediction is either end of the summer or in January he bombs out on loan and he then keeps getting loaned until his contract runs out.

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It's not his energy and movement that has troubled me during the games I've seen him play.  Earlier in the season he was trying too hard at times - picking the ball from defenders and attempting to beat every player on the pitch.

My issue (that was evident in his brief cameo against QPR) is that he loses possession more often that not.  I applaud players prepared to take on their man but sometimes a quick, simple pass is the better option.  He doesn't seem to have that judgment.

In support of @Port Said Red's comment above, we wouldn't have kept the ball for 30 passes for the goal at Blackburn with Tomlin in the mix.  It's a shame it hasn't worked out but we're generally a better team without him.

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7 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Unfortunately think it's going to be one of our most costly transfers. I don't think he will move on a perm this summer. Last summer he'd just reminded the whole division what he can do during his loan here and yet it was only us willing to meet BMouth's valuation. Even then it was a protracted transfer so if there was any more than slight interest from another party it would have been clear. This summer he'll be coming off the back of a shocker of a season, another falling out with a manager and his Huddersfield back-chat and perhaps outside looking in you wonder if he was fracturous in the dressing room.

My prediction is either end of the summer or in January he bombs out on loan and he then keeps getting loaned until his contract runs out.

Every pack has a couple of jokers-the summer window will be very interesting and part of me says you may well be right.

Think though that Lee will likely choose to stick,at least in the intermediate in the hope Tomlin starts sparking/links well with new players.

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Just now, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

Whether you think it's effective or not, the video shows there were 30 passes!  My point is that Tomlin would have lost possession if he had been part of the previous 29.

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15 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

Are you LJ in disguise?

If LT leaves another club will utilize him in a way LJ has no idea how to. The most talented footballer (and match winner) at City for years, just a shame a div of a manager is in place.

I remember people saying similar things about JET, who has sunk without trace

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15 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

Clown. 

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8 minutes ago, red panda said:

I remember people saying similar things about JET, who has sunk without trace

good point. he wasnt even put on the bench by Holloway to wind us up..

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21 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

Don't you know?..its the old snake charmer routine-mesmerize the opposition into hypnotic state!

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24 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

The build up was to create an opening.

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29 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

You really have no idea, do you

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34 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

Obviously you wouldn't appreciate a City team stringing so many passes together as you would then be expected to do the opposite of booing!

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20 minutes ago, hoxton casual said:

good point. he wasnt even put on the bench by Holloway to wind us up..

He's returned from a season-long loan so they aren't able to play him for the rest of this term..

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57 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

Maybe true but the previous 29 could have lulled Blackburn players into a false sense of security that nothing was going to happen. But it did when they had switched off. 

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

He's returned from a season-long loan so they aren't able to play him for the rest of this term..

You beat me to it. Yes has returned early from Gillingham, don't know why don't think he's injured. But he is not elegable to play for anyone else, only the Gills this season. So I guess he's kicking his heels and picking up his pay cheque, yes what a waste. When you compare him to Tammy and how they have been advised and handled.....

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44 minutes ago, hoxton casual said:

good point. he wasnt even put on the bench by Holloway to wind us up..

That's because JET isn't eligible to play for QPR this season after he returned from his loan to Gillingham in February - the reason he can't play is because the loan agreement was for the whole season, so returning early makes no difference, he is still technically on loan at Gills...

Edit - apologies, I've just noticed others have pointed this out above...

Edited by BS4 on Tour...

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Tomlin will be more use to us if we get to challenge near the top next year, playing in a struggling side doesn't suit him (ie where work rate and closing opposition down is important)

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1 hour ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

There's one word that describes this post perfectly. I'll give you a clue, it starts with B and ends with ooooooooo.

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PLEASE keep the same team and formation as the last four games , there is no illusion why the team is playing better and results have improved. Continuity is key to any team and players have began to play in unison with each other rather than a team of individuals. two quick forwards running the channels was always the way to go and thanks god LJ realised it just in the nick of time.

I am Tomlin's biggest fan and it was his skill that gave me something to cheer about during those crap months. sorry Lee but for now a cameo from the bench is all we need from you .

4-4-2 Taylor and Tammy to start all the time.

'WE ARE STAYING UP' :fingerscrossed:

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1 hour ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

That sums up how much you know about football I'm afraid.

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33 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Maybe true but the previous 29 could have lulled Blackburn players into a false sense of security that nothing was going to happen. But it did when they had switched off. 

It moved their players around and tried to work an opening without forcing it. It was good football

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Didn't Tomlin play in the 4-0 win over Huddersfield?

Whilst he's not the automatic choice for every game as we probably hoped at the start of the season, I think there's definitely a place for him in the squad.

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Just now, richwwtk said:

Didn't Tomlin play in the 4-0 win over Huddersfield?

Whilst he's not the automatic choice for every game as we probably hoped at the start of the season, I think there's definitely a place for him in the squad.

I don`t think he`d be happy with that though, he likes to be the main man and perhaps would become disruptive if he`s not? I do hope I`m misjudging him as on his day he`s a joy to watch and can be a game changer coming off the bench.

As others have said, probably not the player for a relegation fight though - you could say exactly the same about JET, Jacki and many others down the years and it`s not his fault, it`s just not his game.

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Just now, Red Right Hand said:

I don`t think he`d be happy with that though, he likes to be the main man and perhaps would become disruptive if he`s not?

I know it's a common perception that the skilful players are also the most difficult to manage, but I've seen nothing, unsubstantiated rumours aside, to suggest that Lee Tomlin is in any way a disruptive influence.

He even gave a public interview giving his full support to LJ at the height of the poor run, not sure how much more he can do apart from keeping his head down and keeping on working.

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Just now, richwwtk said:

I know it's a common perception that the skilful players are also the most difficult to manage, but I've seen nothing, unsubstantiated rumours aside, to suggest that Lee Tomlin is in any way a disruptive influence.

He even gave a public interview giving his full support to LJ at the height of the poor run, not sure how much more he can do apart from keeping his head down and keeping on working.

I hope you`re right mate and why I said I hope I`m misjudging the bloke - nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing him tear up the championship for us next season like he did for Boro.

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20 minutes ago, EASTEND WURZEL said:

PLEASE keep the same team and formation as the last four games , there is no illusion why the team is playing better and results have improved. Continuity is key to any team and players have began to play in unison with each other rather than a team of individuals. two quick forwards running the channels was always the way to go and thanks god LJ realised it just in the nick of time.

I am Tomlin's biggest fan and it was his skill that gave me something to cheer about during those crap months. sorry Lee but for now a cameo from the bench is all we need from you .

4-4-2 Taylor and Tammy to start all the time.

'WE ARE STAYING UP' :fingerscrossed:

I would like to think we win Saturday and other results mean that's it , safety. 
If that were to happen I'd like to see McCoulsky given a start, would have been nice to see Engvall but that ain't gonna happen. Smith , De Girolamo maybe.

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By all accounts, this chap cost BCFC about £3,000,000.

If correct then that is the most expensive player we paid a fee for in our history.

Would you not think we could have bought someone 'good enough' to get into the starting XI?

It may not be the players fault, as it is how players like this are managed and utilised that matters, but are BCFC a club that can afford to put £3M players on the bench?

I don't think we can - and be successful.

 

tfj

 

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Tomlin is like JET and Jacki, either you build a team around them or they don't deliver.  JET had his moments, Jacki and Tomlin have had fewer, but none of them have any place in a team which relies on energy and commitment, rather than individual brilliance.  I'm afraid that Tomlin may be in a long line of supremely talented players who, perhaps because of the level of their talent, were always doomed not make it at the highest level.  One thinks of people like Worthington, Marsh, Bowles, Le Tissier, all of whom had good careers, but none played for a team that won anything much...

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Just now, WhistleHappy said:

 

HEY LEE, WANNA JOIN OUR CLUB ?  ....  there'll always be a place for you in my team. 

6675100-elephant-playing-football.jpg

 

The OP clearly said 'white' elephant.

Try harder.

 

tfj

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Just now, steviestevieneville said:

You really haven't got a clue about the game have you :facepalm:

OK, OK I think you have put steviestevieneville down enough.

Don't ******* kick him to death.

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I guess like the majority here, and fan base in general, I was chuffed to bits when we signed him after his loan spell.  

LJ signed him on loan, or sanctioned loan deal, and must have had final say on the permanent deal.  He arrived same time as Tomlin am I correct?

Why has he never reproduced that half season form whilst with us on the loan period is the million dollar question.  I don,t buy in that he was playing for a contract, he would have had offers elsewhere. 

His most successful period was with the Posh where he was a folk hero for 4 years until the end when he fell out with them. (According to my posh friends) He was of course as a rule a lower league player, leagues 1 and 2. Posh from 2010 to 2014.

LJ has said himself if he had an 'engine' he would be in the Prem.  But he has not, and he is what he is. He is at best a Championship player. To play Tomlin you got to build around him, cannot see that. 

In my time he falls into the Trundle, Jacki, Jet camp. All brilliant individuals but often anonymous in matches, then light up games with flashes brilliance. 

  As a result never stay long. Sadly I suspect LT will be same. :ph34r:

 

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3 hours ago, Thatch35 said:

All this nonsense about 30 passes, City went round in circles, then 1 pass through due to Tammy's run made the goal not the previous 29.

You need to Boo less and watch more football. That possession football was absolutely instrumental to what we did to Blackpool at the weekend. We've been watching our own team and when bereft of confidence and it absolutely kills good players. That possession against a team in that position just sucks life out of you with every pass, if you watch the tape there is not one of their players that gets within A few metres of the ball and you can see them visibly shrinking. Granted it was the OnePass that put Tammy through to score an exquisite poachers goal that you just can't coach.

they were absolutely punchdrunk and we should have absolutely taken them apart. We haven't got that ruthless streak or that Roy Keane type character still screaming at players when you are already dominating a team. It wouldn't have been it's all unfair if we just put five past them. Without that second goal we retreated to type Iand literally did what we had to which was not to lose the game.

Back to the point of the white elephant then it's a tough one. If we hadn't have signed him there would have been uproar because between him and JK and the demise of SA then I have no doubt we would have been relegated. Obviously JP and Wade have to take a boot load of credit too.

so in short in a thriving, vibrant, confident and winning side then he is your go to man the first name on the team sheet. In a struggling side with a young  inexperienced manager you find out a lot about these creative players and it would seem that very unfortunately he became a corrosive element. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen the real Lee Tomlin this year compared to last.

In my opinion it all started against Aston Villa with the Magnussen freekick debate early doors. He was clearly unhappy that the manager had suggested he wasn't always the go to man for free kicks and the Icelandic clap had been in full force even when he was lining up. When he curled it over the wall and into the net his celebration/anger was clearly aimed at our head coach. His post match interview pretyy much confirms it

Some people may think I'm crazy but I think a lot of it stems from that moment

Time to lie down in a cold dark room.

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1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

Tomlin will be more use to us if we get to challenge near the top next year, playing in a struggling side doesn't suit him (ie where work rate and closing opposition down is important)

With Lee still here??....At the top??

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1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

I know it's a common perception that the skilful players are also the most difficult to manage, but I've seen nothing, unsubstantiated rumours aside, to suggest that Lee Tomlin is in any way a disruptive influence.

He even gave a public interview giving his full support to LJ at the height of the poor run, not sure how much more he can do apart from keeping his head down and keeping on working.

Yeah - ignore the words of the head coach even

Never mind - you stick with your beliefs

Frightening

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Perhaps a similar scenario to JET. I think however Tomlin is the kind of player who you would love to have in a top 10 team. Not a team fighting near the bottom. If we improve over the summer like we all hope we will then I think he can certainly be useful. 

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19 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

With Lee still here??....At the top??

We were at the start of this season for a while so it's possible, I'm sure LJ will still be here unless we collapse in the last 3 games and go down.

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1 hour ago, Taxi for Johnson said:

The OP clearly said 'white' elephant.

Try harder.

 

tfj

Have you never heard of a multi cultural, mixed ethnicity, fully diversity embracing team of elephants in the Loxodonta Leagues before?

For your ignoramus information the white elephant invitation above was made by the winger (no 7 shirted) captain of the famous Elephas Maximus Utd club .... theres no apartheid colour bar in the Loxodonta Premiership mate. African, Indian, grey, white, pink, no matter what coloured elephants are welcomed in the Loxodontas ... if you're good enough your in at E M Utd the only stipulation is fitness, commitment and talent if an elephant has these qualities the manager is a happy bunny, not too much of a hard tusk master at all..  So there you have it Mr Taxi, the post complies fully, in relevance to the Majors original query.

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14 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

We were at the start of this season for a while so it's possible, I'm sure LJ will still be here unless we collapse in the last 3 games and go down.

Purple Patch??-We weren't playing well even with the early results,certainly 'getting away with it'...consistancy very hard to achieve and what we aspire to.The table is telling no lies.and sadly Lee will be staying even if the worst happens.

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Just now, Robert the bruce said:

Purple Patch??-We weren't playing well even with the early results,certainly 'getting away with it'...consistancy very hard to achieve and what we aspire to.The table is telling no lies.and sadly Lee will be staying even if the worst happens.

I was just saying we were near the top at the start of the season, that's a fact not an opinion

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3 hours ago, WhistleHappy said:

 

HEY LEE, WANNA JOIN OUR CLUB ?  ....  there'll always be a place for you in my team. 

6675100-elephant-playing-football.jpg

 

Any kids reading this... be very. very careful using White Elephant

 

One can never really be sure of its strength

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3 hours ago, richwwtk said:

I know it's a common perception that the skilful players are also the most difficult to manage, but I've seen nothing, unsubstantiated rumours aside, to suggest that Lee Tomlin is in any way a disruptive influence.

He even gave a public interview giving his full support to LJ at the height of the poor run, not sure how much more he can do apart from keeping his head down and keeping on working.

LJ called him a "loveable rogue"; Eddie Howe probably only calls him by words of 4 letters; you have his baiting of fans in the summer; you've seen how many yellow cards he picked up because of his gob; the Huddersfield debacle is far from unsubstantiated rumour; that interview @RaspberryRed linked; the way he tries to wind up opponents and opposition fans.

Sorry Rich but I don't think this is a smoke without fire situation. I think there is plenty out there that the conclusion he is probably a bit of a git is sound, and not in any way drawn from his level of skill.

 

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