Monkeh Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 40 minutes ago, shepton red said: This is reverse snobbery. How about the lads from a less privileged background who are star struck by the excessive cash in the game who do not know how to manage it and lose their drive and appetite. This has been levelled at Rubens Liftus Cheek at Chelsea who was rated higher than Deli Ali in the England youth set up. JB is a hugely talented player who's potential is noted by professional managers across the country but not the Football Manager 2017 players on this forum. Probably the same ones who thought that Cotteril, Murray, Albert and Bolasie were not good enough for us. to be fair we do need a new target for the ott bile and criticism now Little's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 10 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: If you don't know , why do you watch football No, I asked you to tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinito Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Sunderland to offer Adam Matthews in a swap deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: No, I asked you to tell me. A player with a football brain can read the game, knows what's coming next . He can see the pitch , can sense danger , can see where a opposition player is going to play the ball before it happens and reacts before it happens, should know when the player he's marking will make his runs. Joe doesn't do this , can't read a game. The number of times from my seat in the dolman you can see what's going to happen, a player peels of him , gets played in and joe hasn't seen it. You can't teach that I'm afraid , you either got it or you haven't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, steviestevieneville said: A player with a football brain can read the game, knows what's coming next . He can see the pitch , can sense danger , can see where a opposition player is going to play the ball before it happens and reacts before it happens, should know when the player he's marking will make his runs. Joe doesn't do this , can't read a game. The number of times from my seat in the dolman you can see what's going to happen, a player peels of him , gets played in and joe hasn't seen it. You can't teach that I'm afraid , you either got it or you haven't . accept in the 2 seasons prior to that he was doing it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinreliant Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Sunderland to offer Adam Matthews in a swap deal? I hope that's a woosh otherwise it's not at all funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Moor2Sea said: Immensely talented, but yet another Academy product without a winning mentality I fear. In Joe's case, nothing that a decent manager can't sort though. He didn't struggle for a winning mentality in the season we won the league and cup. Difference of course was the manager. Personally I think this speculation has probably come about because Joe doesn't really want to be here next season if our nun's nasty of a head coach is still going to be here. Same goes for about half the squad I reckon. Just my view of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Personally I think this speculation has probably come about because Joe doesn't really want to be here next season From a few clues I've been given this season , I fear you may be right Kid (and his fluctuating form this season may be for the same reason) I certainly strongly suspect Joe has not been happy or had a happy season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 14 hours ago, redcherryberry said: He was. He also played left centre mid at home to Huddersfield season before last. They couldn't deal with his bravery & quick direct running. I remember seeing the experienced Dean Whitehead shaking his head many a time during that match as Joe flew past him each time. I come away from that game thinking this is the only position JB will excel in at this level (IMO). Never been given a run their unfortunately. A victim of his versatility. 14 hours ago, Fordy62 said: He played as a central midfielder. And yes, he was amazing. There was an immense pass for an assist if I remember correctly. Bu then he became a left back again. And returned to being shit. First time anyone has backed me up on that, so nice to know I'm not going mad! He was beating people with ease that day, looked a real handful. Bryan, Reid and Pack that day were immense Versatility is a killer @redcherryberry - surely with all the coaching he's had someone must know his ideal position by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakes Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 In my view Joe has all the ability to be a very good player at championship level. I would be sorry to see him go as he is one of our own. A good manager would bring out the best in him, hope this will go on to be Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 He's been bad. Final chance next season for me, but if someone offered a decent bid now it would be crazy to turn it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 There's a good player in there but if LJ insists on playing him LB then it's probably better for him and us if he moves. I feel like another manager may get the best out of him in a more natural position and with the money we can get a good replacement. This is part of SLs pillars dream. Blood young academy players and sell them on for a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: not fair to single out joe, when every player playing on the flanks were as guilty, We should keep joe, yea he had a poor season but who didn't? You are correct about the collective responsibility of other full backs and indeed our failing midfield and probably even defensive coaching, however this is a thread about Joe Bryan with a lot of discussion about his suitability as a left back and my opinion is he is not and never will be a full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 JB is not one of those 'game changing' players that will take a situation by the scruff of the neck, either be it more physically like Korey, or skilfully like Tomlin. It's a shame because I think he could be. Is this a personality/mental thing? I remember writing something months and months ago about JB seeming to lack mental strength at times. He certainly doesn't appear to be a 'leader' on the pitch. Which isn't necessarily a problem. Just an expectation thing, you won't see him shouting and lunging in, it doesn't seem to be his game. To be fair, he has the pace not to lunge in so that's smart. And full backs will be beaten from time to time, no matter how good you are, especially if you bomb forwards as he has done. So he often looks poor when the team plays badly yet regularly plays an important role when the team plays well. A more unseen, unsung role. I also wonder, like many others, where his best position is. I'm not sure it is LB. I think maybe he lacks a bit of strength and muscle for that role currently. Either way, for me, he has enough attributes, pace, vision, skill that I want us to hold onto him and i'm not surprised other teams are keen. The finished article, no way, but give it time. For those who want him sold though, hope the premiership teams don't read OTIB and find out he is actually a conference player though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick jones of hereford Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Joe Bryan is an excellent crosser of the ball, moreover he seems to have the knack of being able to do so when almost parallel with his opponent. In other words he doesn't need to go past the defender. Joe also seems to be able to bend balls so that his opponent doesn't block. He is also two footed which is a considerable advantage. I make the comments above as despite him being less than perfect. Oh and yes maybe full back isn't his best position.... he has a lot to offer. I'd be happy if Joe Bryan stays, but every player has his price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Bryan's a good player at this level who had a run of indifferent form towards the end of the season, those writing him off on that basis are really very silly. He's a left midfielder who can fill in at left back not a specialist full back, he can also play wing back and our alternative is Scott Golbourne who has in my opinion been well short of the required standard. I'd like to see Joe playing left midfield next season with a real left back behind him and I think he'd do well in a settled side. I wonder if we might see Hodor make the left back role his own over time. I certainly think if we were to let Bryan leave we'd be making a mistake as it's notoriously difficult to find natural left sided players, we'd struggle to get one with his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, nick jones of hereford said: Joe Bryan is an excellent crosser of the ball Is he? I'd say passing accuracy is his major flaw from an offensive standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Is he? I'd say passing accuracy is his major flaw from an offensive standpoint. I think JB's pass success % is about 70%. That will be one of the lower numbers in the squad, our better performers will be up in the 80's. So this statement is pretty accurate and he needs to improve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I think JB's pass success % is about 70%. That will be one of the lower numbers in the squad, our better performers will be up in the 80's. So this statement is pretty accurate and he needs to improve that. I was just going by the fact that it seems like most of his crosses end up in Halfords car park or smacking cups of Bovril over people in the Heineken lounge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo1 Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I was just going by the fact that it seems like most of his crosses end up in Halfords car park or smacking cups of Bovril over people in the Heineken lounge! Especially in the second half against Brum I thought every cross was aimed at the feet of the first defender in front of goal so it could be hacked away. Someone near me commented during the game that it looked like a few of our players were doing Cotts a favour! Had me thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 16 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Sunderland to offer Adam Matthews in a swap deal? Sunderland to walk away in a lot of discomfort as their proposal meets with the painful but just reply . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 It would be a major mistake; the lad has real talent. Which is not to say that we won't do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Many of the comments surrounding JB could equally apply to Paterson, Brownhill, O'Dowda ... They are all talented youngsters learning their trade . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Aizoon said: It would be a major mistake; the lad has real talent. Which is not to say that we won't do it I have nothing to do with this Aizoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 All that is missing is his decision making and consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: I have nothing to do with this Aizoon. Sorry, Major. Mistake there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinCider Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Good news that Derby and Sunderland are showing interest as this will no doubt force Everton's hand into making that bid now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 17 hours ago, 22A said: Yet, two other Championship clubs do see something in Joe. Yet can our highly respected manager get the best out of him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, ciderbeans said: All that is missing is his decision making and consistency. Tha all?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, JustinCider said: Good news that Derby and Sunderland are showing interest as this will no doubt force Everton's hand into making that bid now. I hear that Sheffield United are coming up fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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