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BCFC OF SWEDEN

Samuel Armenteros

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Possibly but if we signed him then we may not have got Tammy

and we may have been looking at 3rd tier football instead if he didn't adapt to English football straight away like Tammy did

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I think if he's good enough to play for Sweden (big win against France yesterday) and scoring 19 goals in the best League in Holland, he would have been good enough for the Championship!

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I seem to remember he wasn't signed as he was 'too similar to Agard'

Who was promptly sold a few weeks later 

 

Edit: In fact here is the direct quote, 'too similar to those already in the squad'

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/fans-enjoy-open-training-session-in-la-manga-3198545.aspx

 

 

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If, buts and maybe's!!

If we signed him that may have kept tammy out the team? As most the time we were only playing 1 striker most the time.

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7 hours ago, BCFC OF SWEDEN said:

Samuel is in the swedish national team on tuesday! I think we made a big misstake not signing him when we had the chance last summer!

Think he made the right decisions to suit his career so kudos to the guy. 

Probably better off than he would've been if he joined us.

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9 hours ago, BCFC OF SWEDEN said:

I think if he's good enough to play for Sweden (big win against France yesterday) and scoring 19 goals in the best League in Holland, he would have been good enough for the Championship!

C'mon mate,for every van nistlelrooy there are dozens of forwards who have banged goals in the Dutch top league who haven't cut the grade at even championship level,hardly a yard stick 

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On ‎2017‎-‎06‎-‎10 at 16:02, cidercity1987 said:

I seem to remember he wasn't signed as he was 'too similar to Agard'

Who was promptly sold a few weeks later 

 

Edit: In fact here is the direct quote, 'too similar to those already in the squad'

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/fans-enjoy-open-training-session-in-la-manga-3198545.aspx

 

 

Too similar to Agard-Not in a lifetime! Maybe to similar to Tomlin.

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17 minutes ago, BCFC OF SWEDEN said:

Too similar to Agard-Not in a lifetime! Maybe to similar to Tomlin.

I saw Armenteros for Willem ii He was definitely more like Agard than Tomlin then.

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Engvil can make the Swedish national team it's not something to judge a player on to be honest

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On 10/06/2017 at 15:02, cidercity1987 said:

I seem to remember he wasn't signed as he was 'too similar to Agard'

Who was promptly sold a few weeks later 

 

Edit: In fact here is the direct quote, 'too similar to those already in the squad'

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/fans-enjoy-open-training-session-in-la-manga-3198545.aspx

 

 

Agard wasnt here last summer

Edit- I'm wrong

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7 hours ago, Loon plage said:

I saw Armenteros for Willem ii He was definitely more like Agard than Tomlin then.

Trust me, he is from my team in Sweden and he is very technical. Cant say that about Agard, can you?

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12 minutes ago, BCFC OF SWEDEN said:

Trust me, he is from my team in Sweden and he is very technical. Cant say that about Agard, can you?

What I can say is what I saw at Willem ii. 

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Fair play. Good finish that. 

I’m so inclined to shout “Willem II” so loud to BCFC!! 

Really don’t know why the club don’t embrace the fan connections and build a relationship with the club. Mutual beneficiaries of detail of existing players, scouting networks, loan arrangements, friendlies, youth coaching etc etc. 

Numerous years on now and still silence. Oh what could’ve been. 

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1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

Cracking goal.

Awful commentary.

Awful defending though! 

Armenteros managed to run a wide circle in the time it took the defender to turn around like the proverbial oil tanker.

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2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Awful defending though! 

Armenteros managed to run a wide circle in the time it took the defender to turn around like the proverbial oil tanker.

The goal will draw obvious comparisons to the Bergkamp one vs Newcastle about 15 years ago.

The Bergkamp one had a much better piece of skill, but the finish by Armenteros was very good.

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7 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

The goal will draw obvious comparisons to the Bergkamp one vs Newcastle about 15 years ago.

The Bergkamp one had a much better piece of skill, but the finish by Armenteros was very good.

Even though Bergkamp apparently never tried to do what he did

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4 hours ago, Harry said:

Fair play. Good finish that. 

I’m so inclined to shout “Willem II” so loud to BCFC!! 

Really don’t know why the club don’t embrace the fan connections and build a relationship with the club. Mutual beneficiaries of detail of existing players, scouting networks, loan arrangements, friendlies, youth coaching etc etc. 

Numerous years on now and still silence. Oh what could’ve been. 

The club should at least be honest enough to say they are not interested.

I know for a fact willem officially approached the club in 2008 prior to the play off final. Willem board were told they needed to wait until after the play off final to discuss etc, no one from the club then decided to get back to willems board. 

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38 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

The club should at least be honest enough to say they are not interested.

I know for a fact willem officially approached the club in 2008 prior to the play off final. Willem board were told they needed to wait until after the play off final to discuss etc, no one from the club then decided to get back to willems board. 

You appear to know all the details, so you must be aware that their “official approach” was actually a post on Facebook..?! 

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11 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

You appear to know all the details, so you must be aware that their “official approach” was actually a post on Facebook..?! 

1 - I heard differently from someone connected to their board 

2 - why does it matter where their “official approach” came from? What’s the difference between emailing, and sending a message on Facebook? It’s the modern world, or would sending a fax be better?

I can’t remember the city official but a few years ago he put a message on Twitter I think, saying about someone who could speak Dutch as he was going to email willem. Again what is the difference?

It could have opened dialog between the two, but it’s blindenly obvious only willem are interested. 

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6 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

1 - I heard differently from someone connected to their board 

2 - why does it matter where their “official approach” came from? What’s the difference between emailing, and sending a message on Facebook? It’s the modern world, or would sending a fax be better?

I can’t remember the city official but a few years ago he put a message on Twitter I think, saying about someone who could speak Dutch as he was going to email willem. Again what is the difference?

It could have opened dialog between the two, but it’s blindenly obvious only willem are interested. 

A professional club would more then likely ignore a facebook post requesting a friendly as its un-professional 

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1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

A professional club would more then likely ignore a facebook post requesting a friendly as its un-professional 

They didn’t ignore it, if there was contact via Facebook. 

City said they would Contact and discuss after the play off final.

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11 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

1 - I heard differently from someone connected to their board 

2 - why does it matter where their “official approach” came from? What’s the difference between emailing, and sending a message on Facebook? It’s the modern world, or would sending a fax be better?

I can’t remember the city official but a few years ago he put a message on Twitter I think, saying about someone who could speak Dutch as he was going to email willem. Again what is the difference?

It could have opened dialog between the two, but it’s blindenly obvious only willem are interested. 

So a city official seeks out someone who can translate in to Dutch, to email them, but it’s only them that are interested..?!

I don’t think anyone bar a couple of hundred city fans could give 2 hoots about Willem. And then it’s a bit of banter and a drinking club, hardly any sort of official link, or even the basis of such. 

I would imagine that a friendly between the 2 clubs would hardly even be understood by the vast majority of fans and certainly not be attractive. 

And no, I wouldn’t class a Facebook post as an “official approach”! 

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5 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

So a city official seeks out someone who can translate in to Dutch, to email them, but it’s only them that are interested..?!

I don’t think anyone bar a couple of hundred city fans could give 2 hoots about Willem. And then it’s a bit of banter and a drinking club, hardly any sort of official link, or even the basis of such. 

I would imagine that a friendly between the 2 clubs would hardly even be understood by the vast majority of fans and certainly not be attractive. 

And no, I wouldn’t class a Facebook post as an “official approach”! 

Most Dutch people can communicate fine in English so communication wouldn't be a problem.

I think it would be good. They play at a good level, surely it's a better test than friendlies against Yeovil, Weston and Cheltenham that we do every single year. Would get a bigger crowd too at AG because Willem would travel.

I can't see anything other than positives from going further and sharing ideas on training, scouting and coaching. We aren't competing with them and would definitely learn something new.

 

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10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Most Dutch people can communicate fine in English so communication wouldn't be a problem.

I think it would be good. They play at a good level, surely it's a better test than friendlies against Yeovil, Weston and Cheltenham that we do every single year. Would get a bigger crowd too at AG because Willem would travel.

I can't see anything other than positives from going further and sharing ideas on training, scouting and coaching. We aren't competing with them and would definitely learn something new.

 

There is no reason not to create a link with them, but there is no actual reason to do so either, with them. 

There is absolutely no link between us, other than a few fans who use it as a bit of a jolly, which is great, but hardly the basis for an official club link. 

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9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

There is no reason not to create a link with them, but there is no actual reason to do so either, with them. 

Well, for the reasons above. I can't really see any downside, they're a good Dutch team. It would be incredibly arrogant to think we couldn't possibly learn something from them in terms of coaching, scouting or training. Sounds like they're open to the idea and this relationship between fans of the two clubs has been going on for over 10 years now. Seems to be like a no brainer to open dialogue and share ideas. Certainly something i'd look into if it were up to me.

I've heard their matchday entertainment and hospitality is far better than ours! Maybe Mark Kelly would fancy a trip over there for some new ideas.

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There is absolutely no link between us, other than a few fans who use it as a bit of a jolly, which is great, but hardly the basis for an official club link. 

Well there is, hundreds of fans from the two clubs have attended games together either here or in Holland. You may not like the idea of it for whatever reason, but that's a link. Official or not.

So what if fans use it as a 'bit of a jolly', has to start somewhere. Seems to me slightly strange that City haven't explored a more official relationship with them personally. It's not like it's Welton Rovers - Willem are a very respectable side.

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

So a city official seeks out someone who can translate in to Dutch, to email them, but it’s only them that are interested..?!

I don’t think anyone bar a couple of hundred city fans could give 2 hoots about Willem. And then it’s a bit of banter and a drinking club, hardly any sort of official link, or even the basis of such. 

I would imagine that a friendly between the 2 clubs would hardly even be understood by the vast majority of fans and certainly not be attractive. 

And no, I wouldn’t class a Facebook post as an “official approach”! 

Seeing as he never managed to send an email, then no I do not think he took it seriously.

Regardless of if there is any link, city decided that it was better to play against a Dutch side who are worse than willem in a friendly. So on your logic there it doesn’t make sense. 

Was a friendly agaisnt twente understood by the masses? I doubt it due to the poor turnout from both home and travelling fans.

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33 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

Seeing as he never managed to send an email, then no I do not think he took it seriously.

Regardless of if there is any link, city decided that it was better to play against a Dutch side who are worse than willem in a friendly. So on your logic there it doesn’t make sense. 

Was a friendly agaisnt twente understood by the masses? I doubt it due to the poor turnout from both home and travelling fans.

I had a few pints with a bunch of West Brom fans on holiday. 

I now demand that the club arrange a friendly and “like” each other on Facebook! 

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20 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I had a few pints with a bunch of West Brom fans on holiday. 

I now demand that the club arrange a friendly and “like” each other on Facebook! 

We have played West Brom in the past in a friendly im sure? 

Your missing my points completely in your normal scarcastic manner. 

Regardless of an official link between the two, can you explain how twente for example was a better friendly than one against williem? 

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1 hour ago, AshtonPark said:

Seeing as he never managed to send an email, then no I do not think he took it seriously.

Regardless of if there is any link, city decided that it was better to play against a Dutch side who are worse than willem in a friendly. So on your logic there it doesn’t make sense. 

Was a friendly agaisnt twente understood by the masses? I doubt it due to the poor turnout from both home and travelling fans.

FC Twente are a bigger club than Willem, having won the Dutch league less than a decade ago and been consistantly in Europe most of the time since.

However severe financial troubles have meant they've had to get rid of most senior players.

So yes, Willem are a better team this season, but more often than not Twente are the better team.

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10 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

FC Twente are a bigger club than Willem, having won the Dutch league less than a decade ago and been consistantly in Europe most of the time since.

However severe financial troubles have meant they've had to get rid of most senior players.

So yes, Willem are a better team this season, but more often than not Twente are the better team.

In the last four years, willem have finished above them twice and the other two times were by around 10 points. Hardly that much better, for just this season?

i still fail to see, even if you are going on past glories how a friendly against twente was any more beneficial than one agaisnt twente, even more on barbs3’s getting the attention of the masses. As the friendly agaisnt twente clearly failed in that.

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3 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

In the last four years, willem have finished above them twice and the other two times were by around 10 points. Hardly that much better, for just this season?

I think we're at risk of diluting the discussion a bit here into something it isn't. 

I think when it comes to Dutch clubs, there's not that much to pick between them unless they're one of the biggest clubs in that league (Ajax, PSV etc). A friendly vs Twente compared to a friendly vs Willem wouldn't have been dramatically different in quality of opposition. 

What is strange however is why the club repeatedly chooses to ignore the foundations which have already been laid with Willem by supporters.

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6 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

In the last four years, willem have finished above them twice and the other two times were by around 10 points. Hardly that much better, for just this season?

http://www.league321.com/netherlands-football-historic-league-tables.html

I picked 12 of these tablea at random

Willem finished above Twente 1 time out of those 12

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4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

http://www.league321.com/netherlands-football-historic-league-tables.html

I picked 12 of these tablea at random

Willem finished above Twente 1 time out of those 12

Historically yes, but surely clubs don’t pick friendlies on teams historical ability?

Otherwise we might aswell play Portsmouth in a friendly as they used to be in the Prem, won fa cups, been in Europe etc.

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I wouldn't be surprised if age was a factor in us not taking him on permanently, whether he was good enough or not. He's 28 and I guess he would have been 26 then? Been club policy for a while, so far as I know, to only sign players over the age of 24 in exceptional circumstances - although I'm sure you can point to exceptions!

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19 hours ago, Harry said:

Fair play. Good finish that. 

I’m so inclined to shout “Willem II” so loud to BCFC!! 

Really don’t know why the club don’t embrace the fan connections and build a relationship with the club. Mutual beneficiaries of detail of existing players, scouting networks, loan arrangements, friendlies, youth coaching etc etc. 

Numerous years on now and still silence. Oh what could’ve been. 

because most of us don't care about Willem II

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10 minutes ago, AshtonPark said:

Historically yes, but surely clubs don’t pick friendlies on teams historical ability?

Otherwise we might aswell play Portsmouth in a friendly as they used to be in the Prem, won fa cups, been in Europe etc.

Fair point, but

1 hour ago, AshtonPark said:

Regardless of if there is any link, city decided that it was better to play against a Dutch side who are worse than willem in a friendly. So on your logic there it doesn’t make sense. 

At the time of the friendly Twente were the better team, having finished in a Europa League position last season while Willem were bottom half.

So your "team worse than Willem" point is invalid- at the time they were a side who had finished half a dozen places higher and in the top 7 of their division.

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5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Fair point, but

At the time of the friendly Twente were the better team, having finished in a Europa League position last season while Willem were bottom half.

So your "team worse than Willem" point is invalid- at the time they were a side who had finished half a dozen places higher and in the top 7 of their division.

Come on James this is almost @BS4 on Tour... esque debating of minutiae :P 

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23 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think we're at risk of diluting the discussion a bit here into something it isn't. 

I think when it comes to Dutch clubs, there's not that much to pick between them unless they're one of the biggest clubs in that league (Ajax, PSV etc). A friendly vs Twente compared to a friendly vs Willem wouldn't have been dramatically different in quality of opposition. 

What is strange however is why the club repeatedly chooses to ignore the foundations which have already been laid with Willem by supporters.

With regards to the final paragraph, yes the question could be asked, but how many induvidual fans of ours are actually active in this?

2-300 tops?

If so thats 1% of our attending crowd, 1.5% at the higher end.

If its more than that then obviously its a higher percentage but still a very small amount.

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10 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Fair point, but

At the time of the friendly Twente were the better team, having finished in a Europa League position last season while Willem were bottom half.

So your "team worse than Willem" point is invalid- at the time they were a side who had finished half a dozen places higher and in the top 7 of their division.

Problem is, with stats it can be looked at in any way really. 

Yes the season prior twente finished higher, but if you look it was 9 points, 3 wins. Hardly huge over the course of a season?

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5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Come on James this is almost @BS4 on Tour... esque debating of minutiae :P 

Come, come PF - I only deal in facts rather than believe some of the made up guff that is often posted on here....and I’d never stoop to the alarming depths of using foul language and personal abuse just because someone disagrees with me...you know, the kind of thing @JamesBCFC does....

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