Port Said Red Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Yep, I think most England fans would be happy enough at the end of play. I reckon that Alistair Cook was the last England opener to score a century. I can’t think of any since. According to Wisden Dom Sibley Keaton Jennings Adam Lyth Sam Robson and Nick Compton All scored centuries in their first 5 test matches, I think there have been others that have done so after 5 tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: According to Wisden Dom Sibley Keaton Jennings Adam Lyth Sam Robson and Nick Compton All scored centuries in their first 5 test matches, I think there have been others that have done so after 5 tests. Rory Burns has at least one I think. Maybe Carberry Plenty of openers have come in and started well, just then have been worked out and found to not be up to it. Compton was hard done by I thought. Looked good enough and dropped too soon Edited March 8, 2022 by And Its Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, TomF said: Compton was never the same in the county game after being dropped. This is problem with England they need to keep faith in one and stick with them for at least 12-18 months Who was the last England opener to score a century? The las one I remember was Alistair Cook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Who was the last England opener to score a century? The las one I remember was Alistair Cook. Ever heard of Dom Sibley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 55 minutes ago, Robbored said: Who was the last England opener to score a century? The las one I remember was Alistair Cook. Sibley, Burns and Jennings have hundreds since Cook retired. Fairly certain the last one was Burns against New Zealand last summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Cracking 100 by Jonny! Plenty of city here and rovers too to be fair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Ever heard of Dom Sibley? Of course but I don’t remember him opening and then scoring a century. The point I’m making is that England haven’t found a consistent opener since Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Of course but I don’t remember him opening and then scoring a century. The point I’m making is that England haven’t found a consistent opener since Cook. You should tell the England management. Don’t think anyone has realised that yet ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Pretty feeble effort this morning. Over to the bowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) If only England had a couple of seamers that could take the new ball in test cricket, take some wickets and not go at fives.. Edited March 9, 2022 by bearded_red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Really poor so far. No control at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 If Anderson and Broad aren't sat at home watching this and either laughing hysterically or wanting to put their feet through their tellies in anger then they're better men than I am. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 This England team are a hard watch. Struggle batting, might as well start at 30-3. Then This attack, and I use the term loosely , really look 2nd rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 We’re so terribly average aren’t we? Our test side battles in future are going to be against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 Must be the worst English bowling attack in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 18:44, Lew-T said: We’re so terribly average aren’t we? Our test side battles in future are going to be against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Below average. Well below average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 This wicket is a joke. Offers nothing to the bowlers after about 10 overs. If the batsman fail again I think it might be a new low, even if they score 250. Just need to bat 4 sessions and ignore the run rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 I appreciate it wasn't a great bowling performance, but earlier in this thread @TomF made the excellent point that batsmen should be given 18 months to show their worth and surely that has to be the same for the bowlers? We could have picked the aging Anderson and Broad and made more of a game of it, but the young(er) bowlers can't hide behind them forever and they will only improve by the experience of the different conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I appreciate it wasn't a great bowling performance, but earlier in this thread @TomF made the excellent point that batsmen should be given 18 months to show their worth and surely that has to be the same for the bowlers? We could have picked the aging Anderson and Broad and made more of a game of it, but the young(er) bowlers can't hide behind them forever and they will only improve by the experience of the different conditions. Personally I think it’s different. Batsman form is more up and down than bowlers by the very nature of the different jobs they do. Any batsman can play a bad shot or get a bit of bad luck, therefore judging over a longer period of time negates luck and the odd bad shot to give a truer picture of ability. With bowling, you bowl a bad ball and the damage is limited and quickly forgotten so bowlers can be judged a bit quicker. Overton for example, has never looked a test bowler and again doesn’t in this test. It seems highly unlikely to me that he will improve enough (or even at all) if we picked him for the next 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Personally I think it’s different. Batsman form is more up and down than bowlers by the very nature of the different jobs they do. Any batsman can play a bad shot or get a bit of bad luck, therefore judging over a longer period of time negates luck and the odd bad shot to give a truer picture of ability. With bowling, you bowl a bad ball and the damage is limited and quickly forgotten so bowlers can be judged a bit quicker. Overton for example, has never looked a test bowler and again doesn’t in this test. It seems highly unlikely to me that he will improve enough (or even at all) if we picked him for the next 18 months. Have to agree with Overton looks a top county player but out of his depth at Test level. No idea why his pace was so down as well. The future looks pretty grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Super said: Have to agree with Overton looks a top county player but out of his depth at Test level. No idea why his pace was so down as well. The future looks pretty grim. He’s nearly 28 so not sure he’s the future anyway. England are poor at the moment and the next couple of years will be tough but if we can get the correct people at the top of the game then I’ve got high hopes. England football changed the structure of youth football years ago playing smaller sided games etc and we now see the benefits of that. The cricket opportunities and coaching in the youth game has really taken off over the last few years. My one criticism is that it is too 20/20 focused (all the games are 20-30 overs so not too surprising) and most kids still cannot adapt when they come out to bat at 30/4 with 15 overs left to bat but from recent webinars I’ve seen that may well be changing. It’s certainly on the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Any batsman with an ounce of mental strength has booked themselves in for bed and breakfast on this pitch. Bairstow and Bonner dug in before cashing in, Lees lived up to my expectations. I’d have kept faith with Hameed. It made no sense to send him and his low hands onto the bouncy pitches Down Under, only to leave him out on slow, low docile decks like this. He’s one opener who can bat long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 50 for Zak Crawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 100 partnership for the second wicket. I bet it`s a while since that last happened! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) . Edited March 11, 2022 by Kid in the Riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 58 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: 100 partnership for the second wicket. I bet it`s a while since that last happened! It's now our highest second wicket partnership since 2016! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Lawrence will be gagging to get out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Northern Red said: It's now our highest second wicket partnership since 2016! Root and Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 Well done Zak Crawley. A well deserved ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Well done Zak Crawley. A well deserved ton. Perhaps you would like to make a note of that for the next time you wonder how many England openers have scored a century since Cook. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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