The Bard Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Super said: So why exactly has Crane been picked over Leach? Probably because last winter he went to play Club cricket in Australia, did really well and got picked for the state side (Queensland?). So he has recent successful experience in the conditions we're playing in. Makes perfect sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS5_RED Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Having seen the video (how much did the s*n sling at M'bargo to get that CCTV BTW) I'd be very worried if were Stokes. Cricketing wise, we are ****ed without him but he has a serious case to answer at the ECB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, BS5_RED said: Having seen the video (how much did the s*n sling at M'bargo to get that CCTV BTW) Looks more like off a camera phone rather than CCTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I do have a degree of sympathy, the other guy clearly tries to bottle the third person with Hales and Stokes, can see why he saw the red mist and wanted to batter him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 ECB will come under massive pressure now to boot him out of the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, phantom said: I do have a degree of sympathy, the other guy clearly tries to bottle the third person with Hales and Stokes, can see why he saw the red mist and wanted to batter him If that’s the case, then I also have a degree of sympathy and am glad there was no CCTV or camera phones when I was a regular in town........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yeah reading on twitter people saying the video has been edited removing the part where stokes was threatened with the bottle as well. Is that really a surprise given whose put the video out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 The version on YouTube shows the guy waving the bottle, you can then see the liquid spill out as it smashes on the floor (currently sat on a train to Swansea so can't get on full YouTube to embed video on here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 2 hours ago, phantom said: I do have a degree of sympathy, the other guy clearly tries to bottle the third person with Hales and Stokes, can see why he saw the red mist and wanted to batter him Yes, you can see the lad going to throw the bottle towards Stokes' mate but Stokes intervenes and starts fighting the lad. I think the problem is that after that there is a full 30 seconds of Stokes launching punches/kicks at the lad whilst he is backing away and throwing no punches. He has no right to claim self-defence at this point as the bottle is no longer in play. The court will just say at this point he should've walked away. He'll be off to the magistrates court and get a fine would be my guess and he won't be going to the Ashes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 For me he went beyond self defence and became the assaulter. If I was the ECB he would not be on the plane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: For me he went beyond self defence and became the assaulter. If I was the ECB he would not be on the plane. Having just watched it again, it isn't even the lad who had the bottle who Stokes ends up attacking! The lad with the bottle has a black hoodie on and that's who Stokes initially jumps on but then he moved on to start whacking the lads mate who doesn't appear to throw a single punch the whole time and is instead backing away and seems to be trying to calm things down whilst Stokes continues to throw punches and eventually ko him. He'll surely get done for this and rightfully so IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Having just watched it again, it isn't even the lad who had the bottle who Stokes ends up attacking! The lad with the bottle has a black hoodie on and that's who Stokes initially jumps on but then he moved on to start whacking the lads mate who doesn't appear to throw a single punch the whole time and is instead backing away and seems to be trying to calm things down whilst Stokes continues to throw punches and eventually ko him. He'll surely get done for this and rightfully so IMO. It's sad as he is such a brilliant player. Not the first brilliant all-rounder England have produced to struggle with booze. But as you say, rightfully so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Now saying “fragile” Stokes has apologised to the ECB. I thought he looked a little unsteady on his feet, but far from fragile....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I wonder what happened before the footage started Surely VERY unusual for someone to get out of a club with a bottle in their hand? Strange there are no bouncers around either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Both no longer considered for international cricket until further notice. 5-0 Ashes defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 ....Hmm, that video's inconclusive. I can't be sure if that's Stokes acting like a proper thug with his fists ....or ... a police officer swinging a baton like a proper thug... its hard to tell ....Either way proper thugs deserve everything they get regardless. Professional status shouldn't come into it.... disgrace! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Waiting for the full story to be confirmed before any more judgements after some of the supposed stuff that lead up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I think we could genuinely struggle to score 2000 runs on the whole tour. Our bowlers are going to have to play out of their skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Obviously we don't know the full story. But one person has a weapon in his hand that could kill someone. If Ben stokes wasn't involved people would be saying fair play for defending yourself or your friends. He had a weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Has anyone seen the new video involving Stokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: Has anyone seen the new video involving Stokes? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4929800/Shocking-footage-shows-Ben-Stokes-foul-mouthed-outburst.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Him an Hales have been suspended from playing for England until further notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 That's really ####ed us. This whole saga will be over the ECB and media for months and will have a massive impact on our chances. Not only that but losing Stokes will be a huge loss. The Aussies will be loving this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Obviously we don't know the full story. But one person has a weapon in his hand that could kill someone. If Ben stokes wasn't involved people would be saying fair play for defending yourself or your friends. He had a weapon Fists are a weapon too mate. Throwing a big right hand on someone who isn't defending themselves could have had devastating consequences. The same, if not worse, than a bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4929800/Shocking-footage-shows-Ben-Stokes-foul-mouthed-outburst.html I suspect there's a bit of score-settling going on with that coming out, don't be surprised if more follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 As said in the county thread, wonder how long someones held onto that video considering its not from the same night. Being snapchat as well whoever took the video must have downloaded it at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I sit back and think about this situation and just think, I'm really not surprised. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Fists are a weapon too mate. Throwing a big right hand on someone who isn't defending themselves could have had devastating consequences. The same, if not worse, than a bottle. That's true . Unsavoury video. Either way our chances off winning the ashes have just become a lot more difficult. Shame love watching stokes play. But his position comes with responsibility. Interesting outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 10 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Fists are a weapon too mate. Throwing a big right hand on someone who isn't defending themselves could have had devastating consequences. The same, if not worse, than a bottle. Yep. If that bloke goes down and hits his head on the pavement then he's not waking up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: Yep. If that bloke goes down and hits his head on the pavement then he's not waking up again. And it looked as though the assault continued whilst the guy was on the floor despite presumably Hales trying desperately to drag him off. There is a point where this is no longer self defence and becomes an assault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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