Lrrr Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Difficult call about that Jennings decision, with the fact he's been given out the ball only has to flick the stump for it to stay out, so I don't think you can really blame Jennings for not reviewing it. If it had clipped fractionally he'd probably have got done for wasting a review instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I have had literally no confidence in any England opener since Strauss retired. Cook has not been the same player he was with Strauss and we've tried so many partners for him I've lost count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin TomF Posted July 6, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I have had literally no confidence in any England opener since Strauss retired. Cook has not been the same player he was with Strauss and we've tried so many partners for him I've lost count. Cook has been in incredible form for Essex this season. I think this pitch is a typical lords one with a bit of mischief early on first day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Tomarse said: Cook has been in incredible form for Essex this season. I think this pitch is a typical lords one with a bit of mischief early on first day. Agree have seen him destroy Somerset twice this season both times with relative ease He will still come good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Just now, Tomarse said: Cook has been in incredible form for Essex this season. I think this pitch is a typical lords one with a bit of mischief early on first day. Playing for your county and playing international test cricket are vastly different. The theme of the last few years of England's test team has been how our lower middle order and tail-enders have saved us. The Aussies will have a field day if we keep getting 20-2 or 30-3 as we so regularly do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Gary Ballance, the new Shane Watson ****ing awful decision to review. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin TomF Posted July 6, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, hodge said: Gary Ballance, the new Shane Watson ****ing awful decision to review. ..and told Keatings not to review. How many more chances is he going to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 49 minutes ago, hodge said: Difficult call about that Jennings decision, with the fact he's been given out the ball only has to flick the stump for it to stay out, so I don't think you can really blame Jennings for not reviewing it. If it had clipped fractionally he'd probably have got done for wasting a review instead. The fact that the ball pitched outside leg should be something a batsman is aware of & once you know it's pitched outside leg you appeal all day long because you're not out, end of!! Irrelevant if it's clipping the wickets or smashing them all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Just now, Tipps69 said: The fact that the ball pitched outside leg should be something a batsman is aware of & once you know it's pitched outside leg you appeal all day long because you're not out, end of!! Irrelevant if it's clipping the wickets or smashing them all over the place. It was half a seam from being inline, in the split second Jennings had to react to the ball its very hard for him to know that its pitched half a seam outside the line, all the ball had to do with be a fraction further over and hit the stump by the smallest amount and he'd have stayed out. Blame if anything lies with Ballance as he should have given him the biggest indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tomarse said: ..and told Keatings not to review. How many more chances is he going to get? Plenty now JR's capt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: Plenty now JR's capt... Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Yep. Hick was similar years ago, bags of runs in the CC Then would fail at Test level, over and over again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: Hick was similar years ago, bags of runs in the CC Then would fail at Test level, over and over again.. I've seen a few people make that comparison, it seems spot on though, sadly. Runs in county cricket aren't everything, the likes of Trescothick, Vaughan and Root didn't have a particularly great record before they got selected but it's as much about temperament and technique as anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, hodge said: It was half a seam from being inline, in the split second Jennings had to react to the ball its very hard for him to know that its pitched half a seam outside the line, all the ball had to do with be a fraction further over and hit the stump by the smallest amount and he'd have stayed out. Blame if anything lies with Ballance as he should have given him the biggest indication. But Jennings should also be aware of where the ball pitched, as the batsman facing. The only defence of Ballance is the fact that he was the other side of the wicket from where the ball pitched, so would have far less of an idea of where the ball pitched compared to Jennings!! From Jennings point of view, there was so little going for the ball (more than enough doubt) that he should of known there were a couple of reasons to doubt the decision & if he had appealed & got it wrong, the team would just put it down to a lack of experience / nerves & advised him regarding future situations. Jennings lack of appeal could of cost England massively, especially looking at the current situation. As for Ballance, he's under huge self-imposed pressure to succeed & to prove that he deserves to be out there (which is very debatable in my view) & will result in him making more rash decisions than anyone else because ultimately he's in it for himself at this stage of his England career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Just seen South Africa only got through 25 overs in the first session, already dragging a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Well that was a much better afternoon session, helped by the South African's lack of discipline from the bowlers. How much longer can we afford to lose 2, 3 or 4 batsman cheaply at the start of an innings though? Surely there'll come a time when the middle order will struggle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Root leading by example. One inning as captain. One century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 More indiscipline from the South African bowlers letting us off the hook!! How or why does a spinner no-ball via his front foot? It should never happen especially at test match level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Pisspoor over rate. And I doubt England will be much better tomorrow either. Short changing the public who've paid a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: More indiscipline from the South African bowlers letting us off the hook!! How or why does a spinner no-ball via his front foot? It should never happen especially at test match level. Shocking umpiring as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Super said: Shocking umpiring as well. Trouble is, the umpires rely on the technology to get them out of the shit more often than not now. They went through a stage where they were basically ignoring front foot no-balls & then allowing the third umpire to review things if a wicket fell but the problem was, how many runs did teams miss out because of it? I think they have realised that they were missing things & have tried correcting things now but they are still relying on technology too much, in my view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Northern Red said: Pisspoor over rate. And I doubt England will be much better tomorrow either. Short changing the public who've paid a lot of money. Tbf they were only 3 overs short of what they should have been in the end, considering they were 5 behind at lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Tipps69 said: More indiscipline from the South African bowlers letting us off the hook!! How or why does a spinner no-ball via his front foot? It should never happen especially at test match level. Shouldnt happen full stop No reason to over step what so ever (Bar brown envelopes full of cash) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 9 hours ago, hodge said: Tbf they were only 3 overs short of what they should have been in the end, considering they were 5 behind at lunch. They did use the extra 30 mins to bowl some extra overs and were still 3 overs short. Personally would like to see times dicked runs for slow over rate. If by 6 your 8 overs short then other team get 5 runs per over meaning 40 runs. Only decided at end of day by 3rd umpire,match ref, in case of mitigating circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 44 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: They did use the extra 30 mins to bowl some extra overs and were still 3 overs short. Personally would like to see times dicked runs for slow over rate. If by 6 your 8 overs short then other team get 5 runs per over meaning 40 runs. Only decided at end of day by 3rd umpire,match ref, in case of mitigating circumstances. Great idea but unfortunately the ICC are notoriously reluctant to change anything............. The Sky pundits were discussing the slow over rate and various ideas about how to improve it and then Nasser asked why the rate had often become so slow when in the past it wasn't an issue. Good question....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 4 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said: They did use the extra 30 mins to bowl some extra overs and were still 3 overs short. Personally would like to see times dicked runs for slow over rate. If by 6 your 8 overs short then other team get 5 runs per over meaning 40 runs. Only decided at end of day by 3rd umpire,match ref, in case of mitigating circumstances. Fair enough I just went off the scorecard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 This is fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 458 AO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Another couple of wickets before close of day & it should put us firmly in control. We just need to press home this pressure we are currently building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Reasonable start for us, got them bogged down. Probably still be a draw though unless we can pick up another 3 or 4 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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