BCFC Rich Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Cowshed said: Its related to turn overs .. This was a great post, very informative + detailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Cowshed said: Its related to turn overs .. In field turn overs result in more shots on goal. Teams are more likely to concede a goal from a turn over than the opposition being in possession = Its better to kick the ball out of play than give it back in field = Don't lose it all. In the EPL Bravos short distribution game and his consistently high passing ratio of 75 - 85% was top of the EPL Keepers or always close to that standard. His long game turned over possession 92% of the time, he was the worst in the EPL by nearly 20% But his short game meant far less shots on Man City's goal via turned over possession. He also had a high intervention (sweeping) rate outside the box - Less shots on goal. Played outside the box significantly - Less shots on goal. Bravos shop stopping was the worst in the division. Rubbish. Worse than Championship Fielding ... But his footskills outweighed his ability with his hands. Keepers being good footballers - Distributers v stop shots are becoming increasingly common. In FA goalkeeping courses now it is emphasised that Keeping = Possession of the ball and the Keeper will use his feet far more than his hands. In all FA coaching it is emphasised that Keepers should be included in drills as outfield players. The above is where Keeping has gone, and will stay unless there are changes in the back pass and offside rules. Nice info. I recall Edwin Van der Sar say that the first attribute they look for in a keeper these days is how good is he on the ball. They reckon they can coach goalkeeping skills but not the general football stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 06:58, CHAZ MICHAELS said: I've never been too sure about Frankie but he has made an excellant start to the season. However, I agree completely with what you say about his distribution being too slow. Drives me mad when we get a goal kick, the two centre halves drop wide to receive but Frankie waits until the opposition are back in position before he kicks it out. Maybe he is just very polite and sporting. Perhaps we should be looking at our goalkeeping coaching staff, surely what is so obvious to the masses must be noticed by them. In saying that I think Frankie has much to offer, just needs the finishing touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Nice info. I recall Edwin Van der Sar say that the first attribute they look for in a keeper these days is how good is he on the ball. They reckon they can coach goalkeeping skills but not the general football stuff. Edwin Van der Sar - http://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/06/29/edwin-van-der-sar-the-master-of-cruyffian-methods-in-goal/ Man City's recent signing Moraes was described as comfortable on the ball and having the ability to break open a defence with a singular ball ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 25, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Cowshed said: Edwin Van der Sar - http://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/06/29/edwin-van-der-sar-the-master-of-cruyffian-methods-in-goal/ Man City's recent signing Moraes was described as comfortable on the ball and having the ability to break open a defence with a singular ball ... Thank you for posting that link, a good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Cowshed said: Edwin Van der Sar - http://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/06/29/edwin-van-der-sar-the-master-of-cruyffian-methods-in-goal/ Man City's recent signing Moraes was described as comfortable on the ball and having the ability to break open a defence with a singular ball ... Thanks. Nice read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYTRAM Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Talking about distribution did anyone see Pickford last night in Europa league He was one touch passing to wide players and landing it on a sixpence. His shot stopping not too shabby either. Looking a good prospect for England even with Butland Forster and I suppose Hart in the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, NYTRAM said: Talking about distribution did anyone see Pickford last night in Europa league He was one touch passing to wide players and landing it on a sixpence. His shot stopping not too shabby either. Looking a good prospect for England even with Butland Forster and I suppose Hart in the frame. Got to admit to @redcherryberry that I previously stated that I thought Pickford was poor with his feet....whilst at Bradford, who in fairness had a sh1t pitch. Happy to have been wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Got to admit to @redcherryberry that I previously stated that I thought Pickford was poor with his feet....whilst at Bradford, who in fairness had a sh1t pitch. Happy to have been wrong! Cant get them all right Dave . In fact I was only chatting to our mutual friend recently saying I'm surprised he hasn't tapped you up for scouting games..............do enjoy your analysis of players, Marley Watkins & Pickford's distribution aside . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, redcherryberry said: Cant get them all right Dave . In fact I was only chatting to our mutual friend recently saying I'm surprised he hasn't tapped you up for scouting games..............do enjoy your analysis of players, Marley Watkins & Pickford's distribution aside . Yep, sure do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 08:53, streety_bcfc said: This, I dont get the constant bashing of his distribution, he's not Neuer. Also keepers are told to kick to the wings now to stop the ball coming straight back if one in the centre (more likely to go out for throws or keep possession) its fine margins. none of the eleven are being compared to world class! how are City going to improve and progress without a Keeper who is good at distribution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 09:01, RUSSEL85 said: Id rather his distribution be pants but his shot stopping be excellent, than the reverse! how does that work City are trying to start from the back and in to feet? poor distribution means more shots to save and more pressure on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 hours ago, NYTRAM said: Talking about distribution did anyone see Pickford last night in Europa league He was one touch passing to wide players and landing it on a sixpence. His shot stopping not too shabby either. Looking a good prospect for England even with Butland Forster and I suppose Hart in the frame. Much of the development of goalkeepers is now integrated with the squad. Keepers now need to be multi disciplined to deal with technical demands created by the back pass rule, and differing tactics. Pickfords passing skills are no coincidence. The back pass rule changed twenty years or so ago. Pickford is 23. England started to move away from 4-4-2 twenty years ago. English coaching now focuses more on the relevant skills for possession based football and Keepers becoming part of offensive strategy v lamping it. Its illogical to have a specialist position focusing on only 30% (the hands) of their game. English football is playing catch up, but this type of more flexible and rounded keeper will become the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Another point for Frankie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Another point for Frankie. We fully deserved a draw there, how was that a point for Frankie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: We fully deserved a draw there, how was that a point for Frankie? Cos he kept us in it early doors. (And people are so quick to say we need to change keeper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Cos he kept us in it early doors. (And people are so quick to say we need to change keeper) So is it a point for Patterson as well for scoring the goal in a 1-1 draw and minus a point for Pack for deflecting the shot that went in? Win as a team, lose as a team (draw as a team) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: So is it a point for Patterson as well for scoring the goal in a 1-1 draw and minus a point for Pack for deflecting the shot that went in? Win as a team, lose as a team (draw as a team) Ideally it would be, wouldn't it? But I love Frankie more than most of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Thought frank had a decent match too. Made some smart saves and did the right thing. Helpless for the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Routine saves . Poor distribution. Concrete boots . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Ideally it would be, wouldn't it? But I love Frankie more than most of the others. Fair enough. I dont have a particular downer on Frankie. As I said at the start of the thread I do think we could upgrade, but this season he has been in his best form since SOD signed him. I'd also add that upgrading him isnt the highest priority right now. Another good performance from Frankie tonight, long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Their keeper's distribution was as bad as Frankie's, if not worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Think Frankie is a very good gk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Fair enough. I dont have a particular downer on Frankie. As I said at the start of the thread I do think we could upgrade, but this season he has been in his best form since SOD signed him. I'd also add that upgrading him isnt the highest priority right now. Another good performance from Frankie tonight, long may it continue. Almost entirely agree but if he is crocked do we have a first team ready replacement (let alone an upgrade)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Love Frankie, he just gets on with it. He looks as mad as a box of frogs also - which is the sign of a great keeper. Just wish he was a bit taller, and got the ball going a bit quicker - but then again I also wish for my mrs to be Mila Kunis... Happy for Frankie to be our number 1, but like others have said - if an upgrade is available we do need to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lordofthebling said: Love Frankie, he just gets on with it. He looks as mad as a box of frogs also - which is the sign of a great keeper. Just wish he was a bit taller, and got the ball going a bit quicker - but then again I also wish for my mrs to be Mila Kunis... Happy for Frankie to be our number 1, but like others have said - if an upgrade is available we do need to progress. Madder than Mad Jack McMad As mad as a balloon must get out those old Blackadder DVDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Anyone has a problem with FF? 2 words, well a name really David James Well done again tonight, Frankie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Man of the match. End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatn Over Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Yep, great character is FF, always motivated, pointing here there and everywhere but focuses on every second of a game. Has his faults sure but we could do a hell of a lot worse I say. Agree, mad though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Yorkshire CideRed Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 I was very impressed with Frankie last night. Thought his decision making was excellent. Nowt he could do about the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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