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Bar BS3

Bar BS3

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5 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

Just wondering whether fans are allowed to take cider cans on the away coach travel service.

I'd quite like to bring a few tins to Reading away but just want to check.

CTID

You'll be fine. I think they also encourage the use of flares, blunt missiles and some class A drugs. 

They are renowned for their lawless nature, especially the phsyopaths on coach one. 

"They do what they want....!"

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Lanterne Rouge

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3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

You'll be fine. I think they also encourage the use of flares, blunt missiles and some class A drugs. 

They are renowned for their lawless nature, especially the phsyopaths on coach one. 

"They do what they want....!"

They are. The advice to the police on duty is not to stop, just to contain and get them to the stadium with the minimum of disorder and kettle them when they get there.

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Mike Hunt-Hertz

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4 hours ago, DavidNoble said:

Just wondering whether fans are allowed to take cider cans on the away coach travel service.

I'd quite like to bring a few tins to Reading away but just want to check.

CTID

Can you imagine cider on coach 1?

Think Tizer,

Think  Salt And Vinegar,

Think Elasticated Waistband,

Think Pebble Glasses,

Think BO.

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Bar BS3

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

This could have had the makings of an interesting thread about restrictions on fans and sanitization of game in UK.

Gonna, if I get time, make a thread on this sometime Wednesday. Went to a game overseas recently, gonna compare etc.

It's got nothing to do with football (for once).

Alcohol is not allowed to be consumed in vehicles, wherever they are going. 

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BobBobSuperBob

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

It's got nothing to do with football (for once).

Alcohol is not allowed to be consumed in vehicles, wherever they are going. 

 

57 minutes ago, redsince82 said:

Aren't trains technically classed as a vehicle then? 

 

 

The Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985

 This Act prohibits the possession of alcohol on the way to matches on special football coaches and trains and makes it an offence to be drunk on them.  It also makes it an offence to try to enter a ground when drunk or in possession of alcohol; to possess or consume alcohol within view of the pitch during the period of the match; to be drunk during the period of the match, or to have flares or fireworks at the match.

The Act provides the police with the power to search someone reasonably suspected of committing an offence under the Act, and to arrest such a person.  This may include searching coaches or trains carrying passengers to or from matches or on arrival as well as searching fans waiting to enter a ground or inside a ground.

 Section 1 provides for four offences:

(1) a person who knowingly causes or permits intoxicating liquor to be carried on a vehicle;
(2) a person who has intoxicating liquor in his possession on a vehicle
(3) a person who is in possession of alcohol on a vehicle
(4) a person who is drunk on a vehicle

 when such a vehicle relates to public service vehicles and railway passenger vehicles which are being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event.  

 'Public service vehicle' is given the same meaning as in section I of the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981, that is, a motor vehicle (other than a tramcar) which is either adapted to carry more than eight passengers and is used for carrying them for hire or (being a vehicle not so adapted) is used for carrying passengers at separate fares for reward in the course of a business of carrying passengers.  

 Subsection (2) above makes it an offence knowingly to cause or permit intoxicating liquor to be carried on a vehicle to which this section applies.  The offence extends, in the case of public service vehicles, to the hirer or operator and their servants and agents, and in the case of railway passenger vehicles, to the hirer and his servants and agents; and has a maximum penalty on summary conviction of a fine.  The 'operator' of a public service vehicle is also given the same definition as in the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 and means the driver, if he owns the vehicle, and in any other case the person for whom the driver works (whether under a contract of employment or any other description of contract personally to do work).
 
Subsection 3 makes it an offence to be in possession of alcohol on a public service vehicle or railway passenger vehicle travelling to or from a designated sporting event.  The penalty on conviction for this offence will be imprisonment and / or a fine.  
 

Subsection (4) provides for the offence of drunkenness on public service vehicles and railway passenger vehicles travelling to and from a designated sporting event with a maximum penalty on conviction of a fine. There is power in Section 7(3) for a constable to stop and search a public service vehicle to which Section 1 applies, or to search a railway passenger vehicle to which Section 1 applies, if he has reasonable grounds to suspect that an offence under 1ection 1 is being or has been committed in respect of the vehicle.

 Section 2 provides for two offences.  First, it is an offence for a person to possess alcohol or an article to which the section applies when entering or attempting to enter a designated sports ground during the period of a designated sporting event.
 
It is also an offence to possess these things in any area of the ground from which the pitch may be directly viewed.  The maximum penalty on conviction for this offence is imprisonment and / or a fine.  
 
Articles to which this section applies are bottles, cans or other portable containers (or any part of them) which are for holding drink and which when empty are normally thrown away, returned to the supplier or recovered by him and which are capable of causing injury to a person struck by them.  This definition does not include articles that are not usually discarded, for example, thermos flasks but does catch articles such as beer glasses that are normally returned to the supplier.  The definition specifically excludes anything used to hold a medicinal product within the meaning of the Medicines Act 1968.  These offences are committed in any area of the ground from which the event may be directly viewed.  Such areas include the stands, terraces and any restaurants, sponsors' boxes and other rooms which overlook the pitch, It is not an offence to possess alcohol or any other article described in Section 2 in parts of the ground which have no direct view of the event.
 

Section 2 also makes it an offence for any person who is drunk to enter or try to enter or be in any part of a designated sports ground during the period of a designated sporting event.  The maximum penalty for this offence will be a fine.

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Eddie Hitler

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That legislation seems very sweeping but the devil with these things is in the definitions.  I know for example that you can have a beer (or a cider) and watch the game at Conference South level; as The Wealdstone Raider demonstrated and I have also done.  So you'd also be able to drink in the coach on the way.

So it must be a question of what counts as a designated event. I'd have thought it was perfectly legal to tank back the ciders on a CATS coach going to a pre-season friendly for example.

You can of course drink alcohol in a moving vehicle; there's nothing illegal about that per se.

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7 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

That legislation seems very sweeping but the devil with these things is in the definitions.  I know for example that you can have a beer (or a cider) and watch the game at Conference South level; as The Wealdstone Raider demonstrated and I have also done.  So you'd also be able to drink in the coach on the way.

So it must be a question of what counts as a designated event. I'd have thought it was perfectly legal to tank back the ciders on a CATS coach going to a pre-season friendly for example.

You can of course drink alcohol in a moving vehicle; there's nothing illegal about that per se.

 

SCHEDULE 2CLASSES OF SPORTING EVENTS

Article 2(1), 2(2)

PART I

1.  Association football matches in which one or both of the participating teams represents a club which is for the time being a member (whether a full or associate member) of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference National Division, the Scottish Football League or Welsh Premier League, or represents a country or territory.

2.  Association football matches in competition for the Football Association Cup (other than in a preliminary or qualifying round).

Article 2(3)

PART 2

Association football matches at a sports ground outside England and Wales in which one or both of the participating teams represents a club which is for the time being a member (whether a full or associate member) of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference National division, the Scottish Football League or Welsh Premier League, or represents the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales. 

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Eddie Hitler

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:
 

SCHEDULE 2CLASSES OF SPORTING EVENTS

Article 2(1), 2(2)

PART I

1.  Association football matches in which one or both of the participating teams represents a club which is for the time being a member (whether a full or associate member) of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference National Division, the Scottish Football League or Welsh Premier League, or represents a country or territory.

2.  Association football matches in competition for the Football Association Cup (other than in a preliminary or qualifying round).

Article 2(3)

PART 2

Association football matches at a sports ground outside England and Wales in which one or both of the participating teams represents a club which is for the time being a member (whether a full or associate member) of the Football League, the Football Association Premier League, the Football Conference National division, the Scottish Football League or Welsh Premier League, or represents the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales. 

Cheers Bobx3; that explains it.  So no getting bevvied on the coach to a friendly.

 Unless we get several relegations.

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BobBobSuperBob

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2 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Cheers Bobx3; that explains it.  So no getting bevvied on the coach to a friendly.

 Unless we get several relegations.

Welcome

Sorry -  a bit of boring read /  legislation  :noexp:

 

just thought that it may be worth posting so people arn't caught unawares at least

;)

 

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