Graffiti artwork in Ashton Gate

[RedM]

1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Why so pedantic and unnecessarily  combative in this thread - it was obvious what she was saying.

 

Thank you, at least you got it. I guess that's credit to you rather than the person who responded, although I thank him/her for their response all the same. I doesn't take much sometimes does it.

[cidered abroad]

I'm glad that the decoration of the concourse was not done all in one go before. Bit by bit and if not totally random, neither is it too clinical.

As this is now a shared stadium and as a Bris fan anyway, it's good to see the decorations for them. As a club, Bris have a very rich heritage and while not one of the elite at this time, I believe that it will soon be a club fighting for honours at the top of the pile.

Oh for City to be doing the same.

Every time I walk into Ashton Gate, I feel very proud of our home.

[RedM]

@cidered aboroadyes I feel we are very much encouraged to linger in the concourses, obviously it's where the food and drink outlets are, but that aside it's a place to socialise, watch tv screens and look around rather that just pass through. Last week I was at QPR (for the Grenfell game) and had seats right by the directors box, and it was awful inside the concourses, very narrow and cramped, just a corridor with a drinks kiosk and an area used for betting, and the seats in the stadium were terrible. Don't be fooled in that ground it's just the away fans which get a rough deal!

i noticed this at our ground when I was there for the rugby, near the shop, SS/Lansdown so we seem to be getting lots of stuff added.

 

[Huntstile Red]

16 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Another baffling and uneven post. 

What is baffling is why should I have to point out whatever it was you said, something about the history of City/art?

Because it is a relevant BCFC and fan history and you failed to acknowledge something that was factually incorrect within your post.

Only yourself has made that point regarding suits and doing nothing. Ciderheads post is not about doing nothing. It is an easy point to understand.

Do the majority on this thread really think as you do that an artist who has been described as a shithouse, disrespectful to fans and a memorial in remembrance of Bristol City supporters is an appropriate individual to paint on behalf of Bristol City and its fans?

I would disagree.

This really is getting tedious. you obvs know waaay more about it all than me, so fair enough. You have yr point of view, I have mine. If you can't accept that, maybe a forum isn't your best medium. As stated elsewhere, I'm not a fan of combative nature either, so I'll leave it at that. You obvs got a massive beef with the sh*thouse, fair enough, you have yr reasons. I'll move on and get on with my day.

[Bristol Rob]

24 minutes ago, RedM said:

@cidered aboroadyes I feel we are very much encouraged to linger in the concourses, obviously it's where the food and drink outlets are, but that aside it's a place to socialise, watch tv screens and look around rather that just pass through. Last week I was at QPR (for the Grenfell game) and had seats right by the directors box, and it was awful inside the concourses, very narrow and cramped, just a corridor with a drinks kiosk and an area used for betting, and the seats in the stadium were terrible. Don't be fooled in that ground it's just the away fans which get a rough deal!

i noticed this at our ground when I was there for the rugby, near the shop, SS/Lansdown so we seem to be getting lots of stuff added.

 

Do they sell chips at QPR?

[cider head]

Bristol Sport have used an artist who was asked for assistance to create a mural in West Street to commemorate fans like Divvy Saunders.

He may have misunderstood that people on that mural were City fans, friends and [peoples family but his attitiude to it could be looked upon as disrespectful.

 

Lets look at it another way,  no matter what high rank you think a street artist is or how many do that piece of work if it's done to earn a few quid and tick boxes then the whole point of this type of idea is pointless and no matter how polished the mural may be if it does not jump out at you  with inspiration then may as well paint it back white.

Now inspiration you may think? Yep when the cartoon style Ernie Robin was used it was first redone to 3 colours black, white and  red to suite printing for flags and stickers, the then design went in to inspire people to get tattoos of it and requests to pain/spray it on people's bedroom walls and houses, pubs etc now a simple piece of art has been more effective then any 100ft mural so ask yourself will this art going on to the concourse wall inspire it to become someone's flag, tatto, sticker, canvas art or anything to be massively proud that it exceeds further than the concourses and not as I said a quick artist earner and a box ticking exercise by the club to say you asked for art now you got it... 

Same can be said of art like the Murray cupping hand which ended up as tattoos, stickers and flags.

 

[CyderInACan]

7 minutes ago, cider head said:

Bristol Sport have used an artist who was asked for assistance to create a mural in West Street to commemorate fans like Divvy Saunders.

He may have misunderstood that people on that mural were City fans, friends and [peoples family but his attitiude to it could be looked upon as disrespectful.

 

Lets look at it another way,  no matter what high rank you think a street artist is or how many do that piece of work if it's done to earn a few quid and tick boxes then the whole point of this type of idea is pointless and no matter how polished the mural may be if it does not jump out at you as with information then may as well paint it back white.

Now inspiration you may think? Yep when the cartoon style Ernie Robin was used it was first redone to 3 colours black, white and  red to suite printing for flags and stickers, the then design went in to inspire people to get tattoos of it and requests to pain/spray it on people's bedroom walls and houses, pubs etc now a simple piece of art has been more effective then any 100ft mural so ask yourself will this art going on to the concourse wall inspire it to become someone's flag, tatto, sticker, canvas art or anything to be massively proud that it exceeds further than the concourses and not as I said a quick artist earner and a box ticking exercise by the club to say you asked for art now you got it... 

Same can be said of art like the Murray cupping hand which ended up as tattoos, stickers and flags.

 

I'm pretty sure it's not Bristol Sport's intention to create something just for it to be tattooed on someone's calf. 

[cider head]

16 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I'm pretty sure it's not Bristol Sport's intention to create something just for it to be tattooed on someone's calf. 

Nor was it ours with ernie Robin but the point is how powerful art can be with inspiration as question is will this be as powerful?

Even for a replica for a flag, sticker or any other spread the word of Bristol city? 

It is also said that the past few years with this stadium rebuild fans have asked can we do this type of thing on the concourse to and even replace the EE mural to which we were told no due to it being used as a corporate function areas and also shared concourse with the rugby, this is fact I have been in meetings when this has been said, now we see this big mural going up with little input or no input with fans on design or ideas on artists and the whole thing feels like a big two fingers up to those asking and giving this whole idea to them in the first place. What changed this whole thinking to a yes for street art but don't let the peasants know or have a play with spray...

Ok this mural going up so can fans do some along side it as well being fair? Or is it no we ticked your street art box now run along and spend some money.

The above art questions was also asked about the Dolman car park walls and Atyeo concourses walls to which was no.

[richwwtk]

Just now, cider head said:

Nor was it ours with ernie Robin but the point is how powerful art can be with inspiration as question is will this be as powerful?

Even for a replica for a flag, sticker or any other spread the word of Bristol city? 

It is also said that the past few years with this stadium rebuild fans have asked can we do this type of thing on the concourse to and even replace the EE mural to which we were told no due to it being used as a corporate function areas and also shared concourse with the rugby, this is fact I have been in meetings when this has been said, now we see this big mural going up with little input or no input with fans on design or ideas on artists and the whole thing feels like a big two fingers up to those asking and giving this whole idea to them in the first place. What changed this whole thinking to a yes for street art but don't let the peasants know or have a play with spray...

Ok this mural going up so can fans do some along side it as well being fair? Or is it no we ticked your street art box now run along and spend some money.

This post sounds like a plea to allow fans to graffiti the concourse in any way they see fit? That can't be the case can it?

[CyderInACan]

4 minutes ago, cider head said:

Nor was it ours with ernie Robin but the point is how powerful art can be with inspiration as question is will this be as powerful?

Even for a replica for a flag, sticker or any other spread the word of Bristol city? 

It is also said that the past few years with this stadium rebuild fans have asked can we do this type of thing on the concourse to and even replace the EE mural to which we were told no due to it being used as a corporate function areas and also shared concourse with the rugby, this is fact I have been in meetings when this has been said, now we see this big mural going up with little input or no input with fans on design or ideas on artists and the whole thing feels like a big two fingers up to those asking and giving this whole idea to them in the first place. What changed this whole thinking to a yes for street art but don't let the peasants know or have a play with spray...

Ok this mural going up so can fans do some along side it as well being fair? Or is it no we ticked your street art box now run along and spend some money.

With AG being used as an Upfest venue it's hardly a huge leap to get to where we seem to be is it. And as with Upfest perhaps these can be updated in the years to come too. The problem with fan engagement is that it all just takes too long and the amount of conflicting views makes Bristol City Council seem like one harmonious family. 

Fair play to the club for just getting on with it. 

[Bristol Rob]

So what was Mr Inks reason for now wanting to take a commission to do a memorial?

Apologies if it has already been mentioned, I don't recall reading it.

[cider head]

3 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

With AG being used as an Upfest venue it's hardly a huge leap to get to where we seem to be is it. And as with Upfest perhaps these can be updated in the years to come too. The problem with fan engagement is that it all just takes too long and the amount of conflicting views makes Bristol City Council seem like one harmonious family. 

Fair play to the club for just getting on with it. 

And who has been pressing the club to get upfest involved for the past 7 years yes 7 years!! From the EE of old to the current rebuild.

The same group of fans pressing for Bristol city art on the concourses and those putting the idea to them in the first place so sorry I would not call this quick and the club getting on with it.

The fans involved in asking for this type of thing are very knowledgable in this field and this would have been done and dusted a long time ago with a green light so no it's not getting on with it.

[RedM]

34 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Do they sell chips at QPR?

Ha ha didn't notice, didn't see anyone eating them near me

[View from the Dolman]

If you want people to work with you, it's probably more effective if you don't have an aggressive undertone in everything you communicate...

[Cowshed]

42 minutes ago, Huntstile Red said:

This really is getting tedious. you obvs know waaay more about it all than me, so

I am sorry you find it tedious as my posts where quoting others descriptions and you own knowledge. Your own knowledge piqued my interest. You have prior info and agreed that an artist had been disrespectful to Bristol City fans, but you do not feel that somebody with an antipathy to Bristol City fans is not an appropriate individual to represent Bristol City via their work. You may have a totally different view that it is wrong, out of order but fail to say so.

[Sir Colby-Tit]

So, who was the artist that was disrespectful to City fans?

[Huntstile Red]

4 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

I am sorry you find it tedious as my posts where quoting others descriptions and you own knowledge. Your own knowledge piqued my interest. You have prior info and agreed that an artist had been disrespectful to Bristol City fans, but you do not feel that somebody with an antipathy to Bristol City fans is not an appropriate individual to represent Bristol City via their work. You may have a totally different view that it is wrong, out of order but fail to say so.

Well that rather ruins that, then, eh? My view is "wrong" and "out of order" and I "fail to say" it is. I think we're missing the point of a forum and, well, life in general. So in a bid to move on, let's replace the antipathetic guy if we can - obvs not possible, but there we go - and I'll bow to yr superior knowledge. I'll let you have the last word, too.

[Bristol Rob]

8 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

So, who was the artist that was disrespectful to City fans?

And why? What actually happened?

This has been asked a few times but no one with knowledge of events has confirmed.

[Three Lions]

9 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

So, who was the artist that was disrespectful to City fans?

it would not be sensible to put it out in the open. most people take a dim view of taking the piss out of ideas like memorials.

[Bristol Rob]

5 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

it would not be sensible to put it out in the open. most people take a dim view of taking the piss out of ideas like memorials.

I think this might be where there is a lot of confusion.

If what was said isn't fit for forum discussion then you can't expect the club to have a view on what might or might not have happened elsewhere, if this Memorial wasn't due to be displayed at Ashton Gate.

So if there is ill-feeling towards one of the artists and most on here have no idea about it, how can it be expected for the club to know.

[Three Lions]

3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I think this might be where there is a lot of confusion.

If what was said isn't fit for forum discussion then you can't expect the club to have a view on what might or might not have happened elsewhere, if this Memorial wasn't due to be displayed at Ashton Gate.

So if there is ill-feeling towards one of the artists and most on here have no idea about it, how can it be expected for the club to know.

the cub would have found out if they had asked one of these supporters groups but that wasn't happening,. a few posters clearly know about it. its a touchy subject. there is enough in the thread if you read it to make your mind up, Bristol City is meant go be a family .as said we as fans have each others backs or many of us do. those people were our mates. those people were peoples family.  last word on it.

[Trueredsupporter]

3 hours ago, cider head said:

Nor was it ours with ernie Robin but the point is how powerful art can be with inspiration as question is will this be as powerful?

Even for a replica for a flag, sticker or any other spread the word of Bristol city? 

It is also said that the past few years with this stadium rebuild fans have asked can we do this type of thing on the concourse to and even replace the EE mural to which we were told no due to it being used as a corporate function areas and also shared concourse with the rugby, this is fact I have been in meetings when this has been said, now we see this big mural going up with little input or no input with fans on design or ideas on artists and the whole thing feels like a big two fingers up to those asking and giving this whole idea to them in the first place. What changed this whole thinking to a yes for street art but don't let the peasants know or have a play with spray...

Ok this mural going up so can fans do some along side it as well being fair? Or is it no we ticked your street art box now run along and spend some money.

The above art questions was also asked about the Dolman car park walls and Atyeo concourses walls to which was no.

So there has been a change in attitude to fans with Bristol Sport taking over and rugby club moving in. For those of us not members of fan groups how did things used to get done? How were fans involved previously?

 

[CyderInACan]

2 hours ago, cider head said:

And who has been pressing the club to get upfest involved for the past 7 years yes 7 years!! From the EE of old to the current rebuild.

The same group of fans pressing for Bristol city art on the concourses and those putting the idea to them in the first place so sorry I would not call this quick and the club getting on with it.

The fans involved in asking for this type of thing are very knowledgable in this field and this would have been done and dusted a long time ago with a green light so no it's not getting on with it.

I guess they've had more important things to do in the last 7yrs than worry about this. The time seems right now as the most recent set of incremental improvements are being made.  

There seems to be beef with Inkie for some reason so I guess it's no surprise the club have just cracked on rather than get bogged down in the repercussions. 

I'm sure once it's finished the vast majority who visit the stadium will applaud a job well done. 

[Bristol Rob]

7 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I guess they've had more important things to do in the last 7yrs than worry about this. The time seems right now as the most recent set of incremental improvements are being made.  

There seems to be beef with Inkie for some reason so I guess it's no surprise the club have just cracked on rather than get bogged down in the repercussions. 

I'm sure once it's finished the vast majority who visit the stadium will applaud a job well done. 

Would also guess that they are being reasonably selective about where they paint things.

I would have thought the concourses will be used for other events than just a route for spectators to go from turnstile to seat, so to keep a lot of it as neutral as possible makes sense.

[Trueredsupporter]

17 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

 

There seems to be beef with Inkie for some reason so I guess it's no surprise the club have just cracked on rather than get bogged down in the repercussions. 

 

Nobody has been named. Wise that. what would peoples attitude to be to anybody being negative about the Atyeo statue?? 

 

 

 

 

[CyderInACan]

4 minutes ago, Trueredsupporte said:

Nobody has been named. Wise that. what would peoples attitude to be to anybody being negative about the Atyeo statue?? 

Why would there be negativity about having the statue of Atyeo!? Am I missing the blindingly obvious?

[richwwtk]

So people are getting upset about artwork being painted inside the stadium because

1. It's not "street" enough and

2. one of the artists previously pulled out of painting a fans Memorial Mural for reasons that cannot be made public?

It seems that some fans have been crying out for this sort of thing for years, and when it finally happens then all they do is deride the clubs efforts.

No pleasing some people.

[RedLionLad]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Would also guess that they are being reasonably selective about where they paint things.

I would have thought the concourses will be used for other events than just a route for spectators to go from turnstile to seat, so to keep a lot of it as neutral as possible makes sense.

It's on the bend at the Dolman/South Stand corner and between two roller shutters, meaning it can been closed off completely if needed.

[richwwtk]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Would also guess that they are being reasonably selective about where they paint things.

I would have thought the concourses will be used for other events than just a route for spectators to go from turnstile to seat, so to keep a lot of it as neutral as possible makes sense.

Anybody attending an event in the concourses is going to see Bristol City & Rugby memorabilia around the place regardless, no need to cover it up IMO.

As the museum seems to have stalled, would it be an idea to have (secure) display cases dotted around the concourse with museum type stuff on show?

[Trueredsupporter]

2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

Why would there be negativity about having the statue of Atyeo!? Am I missing the blindingly obvious?

Yes you are missing the obvious with all respect. Why would anybody be negative or disrespectful about a City fans memorial or the Atyeo statue!! Evidently according to posters on this forum the former happened. When it comes down to that sort of thing it should be case of be respectful or shut up.