EmersonsRed Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 One of our own. City fan, ex City youth. Lovely kid. Playing for Liverpool in Champions League youth competition, by all accounts Gerrard rates him quite highly. Scored and is playing well after 30 minutes. Liverpool 2-0 Sevilla, BT Sport 1 if anyone is interested in watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Someone that I hope we might be in a position go 'borrow' either next year or this; think the boy will end up a real talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted September 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, samo II said: Someone that I hope we might be in a position go 'borrow' either next year or this; think the boy will end up a real talent. I am under the impression and from conversations I have had (so this is speculation as opposed to solid truth) that Liverpool are very hard to deal with as a club for loan players, demand players play and plan on going down the 'grow within' policy. They have a few very good youngsters but rarely loan to English clubs. Just the one this season. Few abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said: I am under the impression and from conversations I have had (so this is speculation as opposed to solid truth) that Liverpool are very hard to deal with as a club for loan players, demand players play and plan on going down the 'grow within' policy. They have a few very good youngsters but rarely loan to English clubs. Just the one this season. Few abroad. That's true but the caveat to him in particular is that he's a genuine City fan and would actively want to play here. I think there's a very high chance he'll be here on loan in the next year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Like the idea of bringing him in, you can guarantee he'd die for the shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsapper Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Liverpool took him from us as they were a tier 1 Academy. We rate within the City set-up when he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just browsing Freeview, BT Sport showing Man City match free in HD on 115. Sorry, this has nothing to do with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 40 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Like the idea of bringing him in, you can guarantee he'd die for the shirt. That may not go down well for future loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said: Like the idea of bringing him in, you can guarantee he'd die for the shirt. Yep, it's a cast iron guarantee that'd spell success. (Would be happy with signing but just saying...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Yep, it's a cast iron guarantee that'd spell success. (Would be happy with signing but just saying...) Isn't Stewart Gas though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Yep, it's a cast iron guarantee that'd spell success. (Would be happy with signing but just saying...) Of course it's not, but it definitely helps. Such an OTIB thing to do to reference a singular example that 'disproves' something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Isn't Stewart Gas though? Well documented City supporter, who I think, we turned down as a youngster. They picked him up, went on to become one of their better players and moved on, eventually playing in the Prem. We probably had him a year or two too late, unfortunately didn't really work out for him/us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, Taz said: Well documented City supporter, who I think, we turned down as a youngster. They picked him up, went on to become one of their better players and moved on, eventually playing in the Prem. We probably had him a year or two too late, unfortunately didn't really work out for him/us. True, and my original comment was more sarcasm/jest than anything else. I remember Stewart's signing well - think he was 32ish so still appeared to have good years, and we then added Michael Bridges so had at face value, a premier league strike force. There was so much optimism over the signing that the way it turned out makes it more disappointing (see also Tomlin, Lee) But don't get me started on the rest of the "Magnificent Seven" that summer..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: True, and my original comment was more sarcasm/jest than anything else. I remember Stewart's signing well - think he was 32ish so still appeared to have good years, and we then added Michael Bridges so had at face value, a premier league strike force. There was so much optimism over the signing that the way it turned out makes it more disappointing (see also Tomlin, Lee) But don't get me started on the rest of the "Magnificent Seven" that summer..! I remember that summer. The expectation was that we'd blow the opposition away and coast to the title I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 14 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's true but the caveat to him in particular is that he's a genuine City fan and would actively want to play here. I think there's a very high chance he'll be here on loan in the next year or two. I'm not sure that's always the case mate...being a 'fan' is one thing, being a Professional footballer as your job doesn't mean you'll want to play for the team you support. Sometimes it's better not putting the two together as it clouds thoughts...passion taking over. It's a bit like meeting your favourite band and realising they are a bunch of dicks :laugh:....if you get my drift.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Of course it's not, but it definitely helps. Such an OTIB thing to do to reference a singular example that 'disproves' something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 If this Kane lad was to move on from Liverpool in the future would we be due any percentage like QPR did with Sterling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 19 hours ago, samo II said: Someone that I hope we might be in a position go 'borrow' either next year or this; think the boy will end up a real talent. Hopefully Liverpool have now forgotten that their last player loaned to us didn't get a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 hours ago, spudski said: I'm not sure that's always the case mate...being a 'fan' is one thing, being a Professional footballer as your job doesn't mean you'll want to play for the team you support. Sometimes it's better not putting the two together as it clouds thoughts...passion taking over. It's a bit like meeting your favourite band and realising they are a bunch of dicks :laugh:....if you get my drift.... I don't know about your favorite band,but Herbie Kane sounds like a 1970's funk singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangle Foot Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Keep an eye out for Liverpool youngsters Kamil Grabara (goalkeeper), Rhian Brewster (forward) and Curtis Jones (midfielder) all look like real good prospects too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 15 hours ago, JonDolman said: How do we keep the likes of kane and Maddox from the prem teams? Surely staying with us is better than staying in a prem sides youth setup, and then being loaned out every season. Get category 1 academy status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 15, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Get category 1 academy status At £2.5m/year minimum to run, I suspect we won't even attempt to attain it unless we get in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ian M said: At £2.5m/year minimum to run, I suspect we won't even attempt to attain it unless we get in the Premier League. I wouldn't be that surprised if we did actually. It's a pretty big statement for a club like us to be Cat 1 and I think Lansdown would really see that as an achievement. We're so big on the 'pathway' stuff now that I can see him really wanting that - especially if the likes of Kelly and hopefully others keep getting picked internationally. Whilst we're prepared to spend that sort of fee on the likes of Engvall, I can see him making the investment. Perhaps around the same sort of time we get a new training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Academy spending is also excluded from the Financial Fair Play calculations so it's room for extra investment should SL so desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Would be amazing if we did. With the prices of players increasing every year in the championship, it would be a good investment I reckon. It's the sort of thing I can see us trying to do, would show real commitment to developing youth and would be a big statement. Not too clued up on all the benefits, can anyone expand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 17:38, EmersonsRed said: I am under the impression and from conversations I have had (so this is speculation as opposed to solid truth) that Liverpool are very hard to deal with as a club for loan players, demand players play and plan on going down the 'grow within' policy. They have a few very good youngsters but rarely loan to English clubs. Just the one this season. Few abroad. I've heard similar things, mainly around how Liverpool are an insular club that want all aspects of their club to be run by their own. Obviously, with an owner that isn't going to happen, but it does mean they'll want people with a knowledge and an appreciation for Liverpool. It seems pretty standard for clubs that want to remember their glory days, but Liverpool take the piss with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: I wouldn't be that surprised if we did actually. It's a pretty big statement for a club like us to be Cat 1 and I think Lansdown would really see that as an achievement. We're so big on the 'pathway' stuff now that I can see him really wanting that - especially if the likes of Kelly and hopefully others keep getting picked internationally. Whilst we're prepared to spend that sort of fee on the likes of Engvall, I can see him making the investment. Perhaps around the same sort of time we get a new training ground. Good post mate. We are throwing money at individual players but if we used it to coach dozens of youngsters then so be it. With the way the transfer market is nowadays it might be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Good post mate. We are throwing money at individual players but if we used it to coach dozens of youngsters then so be it. With the way the transfer market is nowadays it might be worth it. LJ has made comments about the 'goal' (perhaps not a particularly realistic one) being a team of 11 Bristolians. In reality, he means that we'd give academy players chances wherever we can (like Vyner the other day) and try to develop those players. I don't think it's terribly unrealistic that within the next 18 months we'll play a game with all of Kelly, Vyner, Morrell, Reid and Bryan starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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