View from the Dolman Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Akira said: Absolutely ludicrous. The world's gone f*cking barmy. Honestly, why can this not be seen like the rest of us can see it. A silly mistake by a over excited fan, who just wanted to celebrate his team scoring a goal? If he genuinely told the police that it was for a bet as per @JulieH's post, it was a bit more than over-exuberant joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Akira said: Unbelievable. It's been mentioned previously that it was very much pre-planned and done as a bet. As far as I can see, anyone who does that does so in the full knowledge of the consequences that may befall them. The only thing I find unbelievable is that there is such a rush to defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Akira said: Absolutely ludicrous. The world's gone f*cking barmy. Honestly, why can this not be seen like the rest of us can see it. A silly mistake by a over excited fan, who just wanted to celebrate his team scoring a goal? Genuinely disappointed by this outcome, not because I know the guy, because I don't, but because it shows we can't have any decency and show some common sense from time to time FFS. Unbelievable. he broke the law and did it for a bet, he's only himself to blame I'm afraid, the club will ban him until the outcome of the charge by the CPS is sorted, thats standard practice these days, only once thats been settled will the club decide what to do, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 At the point it was revealed he'd done it for a bet any chance of sympathy dissapeared for me whatever he gets so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 19, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 I wonder how much the bet was for. Hoping it was for more than a fiver as that won't go anywhere near paying the court imposed fine & costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: At the point it was revealed he'd done it for a bet any chance of sympathy dissapeared for me whatever he gets so be it Does that mean that he agreed to break the law in exchange for money? Or was it a forfeit? You know, for example, whoever loses the next game of cards has to do something silly like run on the pitch and celebrate the next goal at Ashton Gate (by the South Stand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 There's also a slim chance that he was the victim of an unscrupulous hypnotist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, RedZepperin said: There's also a slim chance that he was the victim of an unscrupulous hypnotist. The case for the defence rests, your honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: The case for the defence rests, your honour ahh using the Tomlin defense I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Monkeh said: ahh using the Tomlin defense I see There is actually a form of Consent Order in civil law called a Tomlin Order, funnily enough. Something to do with a buffet outside the courtroom supplied by Clarks Pies no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Quite agree with EMB and Monkeh, club can do nothing else on this. Maybe- like at West Ham-Tottenham in 2014, he will get a fine and something minor with no ban. Would seem harsh to punish him harshly for it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Just to repeat, this has nothing to do with the club and everything to do with the law of the land and the police + now probably the CPS, the clubs hands are tied. Yeah, I totally understand that. But the outcome, is still crazy. Surely the video evidence suggests that a warning would suffice?nothing malicious whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, CyderInACan said: It's been mentioned previously that it was very much pre-planned and done as a bet. As far as I can see, anyone who does that does so in the full knowledge of the consequences that may befall them. The only thing I find unbelievable is that there is such a rush to defend him. Ah. Seems I may have missed this part. If that's the case, then yeah, you're an idiot and deserve everything you get. But the point remains, if this was say, a fan excited, or whatever, then the punishment still doesn't seem to fit the 'crime'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 So as I've said earlier - why Do people not get banned for pitch invasions at end of season why is that ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, Akira said: Yeah, I totally understand that. But the outcome, is still crazy. Surely the video evidence suggests that a warning would suffice?nothing malicious whatsoever. I agree but it is difficult these days to decide what the police especially A & S decide what in fact constitutes a crime, the criteria seems to be does it need any investigation? if it's yes then usually it's no crime, so this doesn't bode well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 petition to get this kid back I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 good grief there's some joyless people on OTIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 5 hours ago, leadman said: petition to get this kid back I say. Disagree. The attitude of “the system” against football fans is terrible so as it stands they will want to make an example but a bit of humanity accepting it as stupidity may prevail. A petition signed by a couple of hundred fans could be seen by these types of people as a load of trouble makers protecting their guy so he and they are free to do it again. I know what I’m trying to say but can’t put the sentence together so hopefully another will see my point and put it across better !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 On 19/09/2017 at 14:10, RedZepperin said: There's also a slim chance that he was the victim of an unscrupulous hypnotist. That's a bit worrying… do they use the PA system and adverts for funerals on the big screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFChris Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: That's a bit worrying… do they use the PA system and adverts for funerals on the big screen? That's not going to work with our PA is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 All I'll say is, let he without sin cast the first stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 But not in a Monty Python way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 5 hours ago, leadman said: petition to get this kid back I say. And make him a 'hero' no doubt? I disagree. This 'kid' is over 18, an adult old enough to vote and go to war etc. What he did was stupid which could land him with a criminal record, which I do think is harsh but rules are rules and he knew them and chose to break them for a bet. i wonder if people would still be sympathetic if the club were to be docked points or face other restrictions because of his actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's like the old saying my mum used to say to me when I'd done something silly. I'd say "well so and so did it/told me to do it" and my mum would reply "so if so and so told you to jump off the suspension bridge, would you do it?" As in its not an argument that can stand up. If there are extenuating circumstances, as in the guy who threw the flare on the pitch, to get it away from his son, then things get looked at by the club I'm sure, but if he's gonna do what he did, and then admit he had done it for a bet, he's only got himself to blame sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 On 19/09/2017 at 18:12, Rob k said: So as I've said earlier - why Do people not get banned for pitch invasions at end of season why is that ok? Its not ok, every season we get told not to do it. However I guess its easier to nab one bloke and ban him than to nab all the invaders at the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The basic truth is it's out of the clubs hands. As others have said, stated, it's the system. The club are doing as they have to- no more, no less. Hopefully the judge or police or whoever will show a bit of leniency, however I don't know how the club can influence that. Now, he did end in Court- however the judge only handed down a fine. Even had a bit of a laugh about it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2740633/West-Ham-fan-ran-Upton-Park-pitch-free-kick-vs-Tottenham-escapes-football-ban.html Can't see this case being dealt with so leniently though, if the SAG down here are anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 22, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The basic truth is it's out of the clubs hands. As others have said, stated, it's the system. The club are doing as they have to- no more, no less. Hopefully the judge or police or whoever will show a bit of leniency, however I don't know how the club can influence that. Now, he did end in Court- however the judge only handed down a fine. Even had a bit of a laugh about it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2740633/West-Ham-fan-ran-Upton-Park-pitch-free-kick-vs-Tottenham-escapes-football-ban.html Can't see this case being dealt with so leniently though, if the SAG down here are anything to go by. Sadly the rate of charges to arrests in the A&S area is MASSIVELY excessive comparred to the rest of the country, have a bad feeling for the lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 On 18/09/2017 at 09:30, Red Army 75 said: Also going back to the armed police. I had a chat with one of them. Really friendly bloke. I asked if I could hold his weapon. He unfortunately declined. Half of this post is true The reason that your request was declined, as I told you at the time, is I'm really not an armed police officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Dollymarie said: It's like the old saying my mum used to say to me when I'd done something silly. I'd say "well so and so did it/told me to do it" and my mum would reply "so if so and so told you to jump off the suspension bridge, would you do it?" As in its not an argument that can stand up. Brilliant - I bet we've ALL been told that in the past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, phantom said: Sadly the rate of charges to arrests in the A&S area is MASSIVELY excessive comparred to the rest of the country, have a bad feeling for the lad he'll get a slap on the wrist for it Phantom, it's what the club does after that will be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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