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JasonM88

Stewards playing a dangerous game

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Following on from the post about the fan on the pitch yesterday, I feel the stewards are playing a dangerous game in terms of their actions towards fans. 

Not only today, but I've also seen videos from Spurs, Liverpool and obviously that Man City game where stewards have been extremely heavily handed, potentially causing more problems.

Groups of fans won't take these actions on fellow fans for much longer, you'd have thought, and if it keeps on happening you'd have thought there will be some fight back. 

They need to be careful in my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, JasonM88 said:

Following on from the post about the fan on the pitch yesterday, I feel the stewards are playing a dangerous game in terms of their actions towards fans. 

Not only today, but I've also seen videos from Spurs, Liverpool and obviously that Man City game where stewards have been extremely heavily handed, potentially causing more problems.

Groups of fans won't take these actions on fellow fans for much longer, you'd have thought, and if it keeps on happening you'd have thought there will be some fight back. 

They need to be careful in my opinion.

Heavy handed actions against fans on the pitch..?

Maybe just stay off the pitch..?! 

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5 minutes ago, Super said:

Changing the theme a bit interesting to see armed police at the game yesterday.

Yeah. Was pretty unnerving seeing that walking in! 

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12 minutes ago, JasonM88 said:

Following on from the post about the fan on the pitch yesterday, I feel the stewards are playing a dangerous game in terms of their actions towards fans. 

Not only today, but I've also seen videos from Spurs, Liverpool and obviously that Man City game where stewards have been extremely heavily handed, potentially causing more problems.

Groups of fans won't take these actions on fellow fans for much longer, you'd have thought, and if it keeps on happening you'd have thought there will be some fight back. 

They need to be careful in my opinion.

You go on the pitch....it's automatic ejection from the ground. These fans never go quietly do they...?

So how do you suggest they get removed?

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3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Yeah. Was pretty unnerving seeing that walking in! 

I think it's supposed to be unnerving for anyone scum enough to try and terrorise the occasion. 

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Had a little bounce around the ground going with the steward in the EE corner yesterday and had a great time.

Bit like the police a few of them are dicks most are great fun. Dont cross the line and you wont find out which are which.

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8 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I think it's supposed to be unnerving for anyone scum enough to try and terrorise the occasion. 

Well yes, obviously. Still, was an unusual sight to see. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Super said:

Changing the theme a bit interesting to see armed police at the game yesterday.

They were at all the one day Cricket  Internationals I went to in Summer

Personally more than pleased to see them there and I'd arm more

Certainly doesn't phase me .....

Comfortably reassuring - we have some of the most professional armed officers in World

 

 

19 yr old frightened Carabeneri conscripts waving their rifles at us in Italia 90 was less reassuring ! :laughcont:

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I think ours are one of the better ones tbh.

If you look at the top of stands, not including the obvious allowances in South Stand/Dolman corner (I refuse to call it a 'singing section' :thumbsup:) people stand.

In theory and by letter of law stewards should be off up there. Trying to make people sit etc. They don't- so long as they aren't a nuisance or blocking views etc.

Is just sense to let them get on with it- which is a sign of good stewarding IMO.

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4 hours ago, lenred said:

Yeah. Was pretty unnerving seeing that walking in! 

I don't see why it should be, they're there for YOUR protection.

4 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I think it's supposed to be unnerving for anyone scum enough to try and terrorise the occasion. 

Not at all, if some looney with a van/bomb/knife whatever they have to be able to end the threat quickly, a batten , taser or strong words just don't work on these guys.
I remember going to Pisa for the Anglo Italian cup and armed Police stoped us in the airport and took everyones passports , you just smile and give them up no drama, didn't intend to argue mind. Glad one of the locals spoke English though.

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I don't see why it should be, they're there for YOUR protection.

Not at all, if some looney with a van/bomb/knife whatever they have to be able to end the threat quickly, a batten , taser or strong words just don't work on these guys.
I remember going to Pisa for the Anglo Italian cup and armed Police stoped us in the airport and took everyones passports , you just smile and give them up no drama, didn't intend to argue mind. Glad one of the locals spoke English though.

I KNOW! Blimey, cool your boots. My sincerest apologies if me finding the sight of police brandishing automatic weapons unnerving ANNOYS YOU. Not a usual thing is it. But THANK YOU anyway! 

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Got to say the steward near me & my son has been nothing but understanding & helpful to us. Will also mention that on quite a few occasions I've seen him get dogs abuse/glares for asking people to move who know they shouldn't be sitting where they are trying to sit, just bloody sit where you paid to sit! As for armed police, can't say I saw any, where were they? COYR 

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4 hours ago, JasonM88 said:

Following on from the post about the fan on the pitch yesterday, I feel the stewards are playing a dangerous game in terms of their actions towards fans. 

Not only today, but I've also seen videos from Spurs, Liverpool and obviously that Man City game where stewards have been extremely heavily handed, potentially causing more problems.

Groups of fans won't take these actions on fellow fans for much longer, you'd have thought, and if it keeps on happening you'd have thought there will be some fight back. 

They need to be careful in my opinion.

Of course the stewards can allow fans on to the pitch (as pointed out in another thread, an absolute offence) and the club face the wrath of the EFL, your choice.

The club or the stewards do not make the laws of the land, but like it or not they are bound to adhere to to those laws, they have no choice.

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23 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

I can't imagine anyone who is not being a dick having any issues with stewards. 

But what about the Toms and Harrys:blink:

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23 minutes ago, lenred said:

I KNOW! Blimey, cool your boots. My sincerest apologies if me finding the sight of police brandishing automatic weapons unnerving ANNOYS YOU. Not a usual thing is it. But THANK YOU anyway! 

OOppps sorry. , but easy there tiger didn't mean to offend. Probably overdid the Caps.
It is a sad thing they are there , but I feel it is a necessary evil. I think I've almost become blasé about it, many places I've been there have been armed units . Most airports, large railway stations etc , USA,  In Belgium a while back , even London a few weeks back stations were teeming with them. I've even seen armed soldiers abroad. I don't intend to play up so it doesn't effect me , I just tend to think there is less chance of anything happening. 

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11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

OOppps sorry. , but easy there tiger didn't mean to offend. Probably overdid the Caps.
It is a sad thing they are there , but I feel it is a necessary evil. I think I've almost become blasé about it, many places I've been there have been armed units . Most airports, large railway stations etc , USA,  In Belgium a while back , even London a few weeks back stations were teeming with them. I've even seen armed soldiers abroad. I don't intend to play up so it doesn't effect me , I just tend to think there is less chance of anything happening. 

Fair play mate. Indeed they are becoming a more usual sight and when I see them at Temple Meads or at the Airport  for example I generally think little of it. I guess the point I was trying to make originally (not very well evidently!) is that I've not seen them before at AG so it made me wonder if there was a specific reason they were there other than the heightened risk after the further attacks in London last week. 

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3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Fair play mate. Indeed they are becoming a more usual sight and when I see them at Temple Meads or at the Airport  for example I generally think little of it. I guess the point I was trying to make originally (not very well evidently!) is that I've not seen them before at AG so it made me wonder if there was a specific reason they were there other than the heightened risk after the further attacks in London last week. 

I think it will be more often seen at large events nowadays , every large gathering is a potential target sadly. 

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The steward on the entrance to block S27 sent me around to S25 as that was on my season ticket. He wouldn't have it that the 3 blocks were unreserved and said I still had to be in that block. Not had that before. Saw him send quite a few people away as well afterwards. That can't be right surely?

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42 minutes ago, aberdeen_craig said:

The steward on the entrance to block S27 sent me around to S25 as that was on my season ticket. He wouldn't have it that the 3 blocks were unreserved and said I still had to be in that block. Not had that before. Saw him send quite a few people away as well afterwards. That can't be right surely?

Probably new and not wanting to make a mistake on his first day. I expect the others will put him right in the future, if not just let Mike Kelly know - I doubt it will be a problem.

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9 hours ago, Super said:

Changing the theme a bit interesting to see armed police at the game yesterday.

Guns are probably more fun than investigating burglaries. 

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with the country on critical threat list, its good to see the armed police at the stadium. 

shows that security is being taken seriously. 

I also like it that they searched most peoples (women's mainly) bags on Saturday as well, even though i heard a few people complaining about it. 

I cant think of any away game i've been to yet that i havnt had my bag searched, so its good we are doing the same. 

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It's increasingly the case. Sign of the times unfortunately.

They seemed to have a fair few at CL final in Cardiff. Additionally, I recall seeing troops and with guns at public monuments and indeed at railway station in Rome recently. It's a visual deterrence.

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21 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I think it will be more often seen at large events nowadays , every large gathering is a potential target sadly. 

I agree it will be.... Sags will read this thread and think "what armed police....?" !!!

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17 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

Guns are probably more fun than investigating burglaries. 

Why so?

They are effectively doing guard duty and anyone who's been in the forces will tell you that it's the most boring activity you can do.

To add to it, they take on a hell of a lot of responsibility: 'terms of engagement' (e.g. even if a terrorist has killed someone and they then drop their weapons, you can't just take them out no matter what provocation there is); accountability for their weapons; and IF they are unlucky enough to be involved in an incident, having to make that life and death decision that will not only affect the person on the receiving end but also themselves (because they will be investigated to ensure that they did everything lawfully). People in the armed forces are trained to kill people, I can't say the police are.

The only time they are ever likely to fire their weapons is on a range and even then, it's highly regulated.

But then again, your comment might have been some dig at the police on some perceived jolly. Only you know if that is the case.

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suggest that before getting heavily critical of the stewards you have ago at doing the job yourself.probably the most thankless job there is.

anyway as mentioned earlier there would be no need for stewards if people  behaved in a sensible manner and kept within the rules 

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6 minutes ago, generation1 said:

suggest that before getting heavily critical of the stewards you have ago at doing the job yourself.probably the most thankless job there is.

anyway as mentioned earlier there would be no need for stewards if people  behaved in a sensible manner and kept within the rules 

I thought they were meant to direct people to their seats, answer queries etc?

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18 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

Guns are probably more fun than investigating burglaries. 

you try investigating anything with 2 hands tied behind your back and a blindfold on while using a quarter of the resources you had 10 years ago, then come back and see if you can do any better,

Thats what modern police have to put up with

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Watched it again.

That supervisor was quite quick off the mark- 5 seconds was it?

Also noticed the invader came from the South Stand, but the supervisor who intercepted him from the Dolman...a hole in security in the South Stand or?

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On 9/17/2017 at 12:11, lenred said:

Yeah. Was pretty unnerving seeing that walking in! 

Why?  Surely you have been seeing armed police at Airports for sometime now,  as you probably know, it is due to the critical security at present and it's good to see action being taken at a Championship ground and not just Premiership grounds.  It's a shame that this has to happen,  but prevention is better than cure, who knows where these cowards may strike next!

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5 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

I agree it will be.... Sags will read this thread and think "what armed police....?" !!!

Was thinking much the same about those living in Bristol making a faff over this, been like that for years in London.

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4 hours ago, Monkeh said:

you try investigating anything with 2 hands tied behind your back and a blindfold on while using a quarter of the resources you had 10 years ago, then come back and see if you can do any better,

Thats what modern police have to put up with

Yes, agreed. They provide a shit service, mainly the fault of the government. 

The police service - great until you actually need them. 

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