wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Am I correct in my understanding that Messrs Rooney and Tomlin are both due to make appearances today? It is going to be interesting to see iif either of these are treated any differently to anyone else who might find themsrlves in a similar position. Will be interesting to see how fair and unbiased the British legal system is, but I am predicting that both will get off fairly lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Er, watch out. Last time there was a discussion on the second case you mention lots of irate folks went a bit OTT and the thread got red carded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 How is it that LT is charged with GBH without intent? Does that mean he lamped someone but didn't intend to hurt him? How can that be? Will WR benefit from his previous good character or does he have form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Rooney would appear to be bang to rights, it's just a question of how long his ban is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: How is it that LT is charged with GBH without intent? Does that mean he lamped someone but didn't intend to hurt him? How can that be? Will WR benefit from his previous good character or does he have form? A defendant charged for GBH without intent does not necessarily mean that they inflicted less severe injuries to the victim. All the above injuries can be inflicted intentionally or recklessly, and this factor is what will ultimately determine the charge and punishment given. It is not possible to attempt to commit a Section 20 GBH offence. If a defendant attempts to cause serious harm, it must be assumed that they intended to do so. To be charged for GBH without intent it is considered that the act was reckless. Under Section 20 GBH the defendant lacks the necessary mens rea for the more serious offence, meaning the defendant did not have the intention. Seriously harming a victim without intent is a Section 20 Assault—a less serious form of GBH. Section 20 Assault, unlike Section 18 Assault (intentional), can be heard in both the Magistrates and Crown Courts albeit will normally be dealt with in the latter, and it carries a maximum sentence of five years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Wow, that's a pretty comprehensive respinse Monkeh, thanks. Slap on the wrist for LT then. He needs to get community service as he doesnt seem to have done much for the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightCiderLife Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 17 minutes ago, Monkeh said: A defendant charged for GBH without intent does not necessarily mean that they inflicted less severe injuries to the victim. All the above injuries can be inflicted intentionally or recklessly, and this factor is what will ultimately determine the charge and punishment given. It is not possible to attempt to commit a Section 20 GBH offence. If a defendant attempts to cause serious harm, it must be assumed that they intended to do so. To be charged for GBH without intent it is considered that the act was reckless. Under Section 20 GBH the defendant lacks the necessary mens rea for the more serious offence, meaning the defendant did not have the intention. Seriously harming a victim without intent is a Section 20 Assault—a less serious form of GBH. Section 20 Assault, unlike Section 18 Assault (intentional), can be heard in both the Magistrates and Crown Courts albeit will normally be dealt with in the latter, and it carries a maximum sentence of five years Just a helpful pointer for those who haven't had to study legal Latin: Actues Reus is the criminal deed (punching, glassing, stabbing etc.) Mens Rea is the criminal thought (wanting to cause bodily injury). Chris Rea is driving home for Christmas (unlike Rooney, possibly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, BrightCiderLife said: Just a helpful pointer for those who haven't had to study legal Latin: Actues Reus is the criminal deed (punching, glassing, stabbing etc.) Mens Rea is the criminal thought (wanting to cause bodily injury). Chris Rea is driving home for Christmas (unlike Rooney, possibly). Blast! I was going to do the Chris Rea pun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Is this the official court day thread? How many are we taking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Maybe his biggest punishment will be having to warm Baadiff's bench then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, cynic said: If found guilty, and it being a magistrates court rather than crown court, he may well get a higher community order - up to 16 hours curfew, and up to 300 hours community work unpaid plus a gurt big fine. Or a suspended custodial sentence. If the magistrate is in a bad mood, maybe up to 18 months inside. His previous conviction won't help and may be taken into consideration, although that was 6 years ago. Whatever, he's doesn't exactly help himself does he A magistrate may only hand out a 6 month custodial sentence. If a Magistrate finds him guilty and considers his sentencing powers to be insufficient then they may send it to the crown court for sentencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Er, watch out. Last time there was a discussion on the second case you mention lots of irate folks went a bit OTT and the thread got red carded. The OP requested its removal. The thread did get a bit OTT so probably best consigned to the bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Mr Rooney has arrived in court and will presumably be sentenced shortly, or will sentencing be deferred for reports (and backhand manouvering)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingleRed Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Mr Rooney has arrived in court and will presumably be sentenced shortly, or will sentencing be deferred for reports (and backhand manouvering)? Just pleaded guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, Super said: Is this the official court day thread? How many are we taking? Plenty in attendance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, DingleRed said: Just pleaded guilty Was hardly going to plead not guilty was he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Murraysrightplum said: Plenty in attendance Freak show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Was hardly going to plead not guilty was he Rooney or Tomlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, Super said: Is this the official court day thread? How many are we taking? what train are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Mr Rooney has arrived in court and will presumably be sentenced shortly, or will sentencing be deferred for reports (and backhand manouvering)? No "scouser in a suit" jokes please....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Can't see any listings on the court pages. However would surely be just prelims at this stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 http://xhibit.justice.gov.uk/leicester.htm Im assuming its in Leicester Magistrates? Not in at the moment but some one Ball Deep in court 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 £170 fine for Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said: http://xhibit.justice.gov.uk/leicester.htm Im assuming its in Leicester Magistrates? Not in at the moment but some one Ball Deep in court 6 I've been know to sing when I'm ball deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, myol'man said: £170 fine for Rooney No visits to the Brothel for a while then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 .@WayneRooney banned for 2 years driving and sentenced to 100 hours community service . I always thought his best position was a sweeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Super said: Is this the official court day thread? How many are we taking? What pub are we meeting Wayne Rooney in..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, myol'man said: £170 fine for Rooney Well, people did say they didn't want him treated any differently to anyone else..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 44 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Unlike Tomlin, who got 6 months pay for doing no work, here..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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