Monkeh Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's inconsistencies like this that indicate to me it wasn't just about being 'antagonistic' - it's a certain member or members of staff who are on a power trip to make S82's lives difficult because they don't like them being there. They don't like things being done without their input or complete approval and want total control over every aspect. If the club were that concerned about 'antagonising' the Cardiff fans, we'd never use Murray cupping imagery through official channels or allow that surfer flag (which I'm sure we've used at games vs Cardiff before) to be displayed. indeed, it's the ultra flag all over again, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's inconsistencies like this that indicate to me it wasn't just about being 'antagonistic' - it's a certain member or members of staff who are on a power trip to make S82's lives difficult because they don't like them being there. They don't like things being done without their input or complete approval and want total control over every aspect. If the club were that concerned about 'antagonising' the Cardiff fans, we'd never use Murray cupping imagery through official channels or allow that surfer flag (which I'm sure we've used at games vs Cardiff before) to be displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, glynriley said: Maybe i'm being thick but I don't understand the reference there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: Maybe i'm being thick but I don't understand the reference there That's a penny dropping!! You're spot on about certain people wanting to make S82 lives difficult, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 12 hours ago, Sixtyseconds said: Nobody has asked the BIG question. The elephant in the room. The Head of Security. Ain't Welsh is he? Brummie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, glynriley said: That's a penny dropping!! You're spot on about certain people wanting to make S82 lives difficult, IMO. Haha - I thought it was a reference about me perhaps reaching for a conspiracy theory that isn't there - wouldn't have blamed you if so! But yes, sadly I believe there are a few at the club who really would rather we didn't have S82 there. They'd rather our supporters sat down nicely at games, twirled those tasteful scarves around their heads, bought official merchandise, used the concessions not the local pubs, no flags, no songs that aren't 'Come on you reds'.. I've believed it for years and sadly I feel certain people at the club have tried to erode and make life extremely difficult for those that wish to create an atmosphere. Look at the locations they've been pushed into.. Williams corner, Atyeo corner.. took lots of effort to get them where they currently are and the club won't even help them with storage. I don't think this is the attitude of everyone at the club.. but definitely a few and ones with considerable influence/power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Haha - I thought it was a reference about me perhaps reaching for a conspiracy theory that isn't there - wouldn't have blamed you if so! But yes, sadly I believe there are a few at the club who really would rather we didn't have S82 there. They'd rather our supporters sat down nicely at games, twirled those tasteful scarves around their heads, bought official merchandise, used the concessions not the local pubs, no flags, no songs that aren't 'Come on you reds'.. I've believed it for years and sadly I feel certain people at the club have tried to erode and make life extremely difficult for those that wish to create an atmosphere. Look at the locations they've been pushed into.. Williams corner, Atyeo corner.. took lots of effort to get them where they currently are and the club won't even help them with storage. I don't think this is the attitude of everyone at the club.. but definitely a few and ones with considerable influence/power. Has anyone noticed how often the club keep going on about the fantastic atmosphere? Well, I'd say it's anything but fantastic, generally. I think this suits the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Haha - I thought it was a reference about me perhaps reaching for a conspiracy theory that isn't there - wouldn't have blamed you if so! But yes, sadly I believe there are a few at the club who really would rather we didn't have S82 there. They'd rather our supporters sat down nicely at games, twirled those tasteful scarves around their heads, bought official merchandise, used the concessions not the local pubs, no flags, no songs that aren't 'Come on you reds'.. I've believed it for years and sadly I feel certain people at the club have tried to erode and make life extremely difficult for those that wish to create an atmosphere. Look at the locations they've been pushed into.. Williams corner, Atyeo corner.. took lots of effort to get them where they currently are and the club won't even help them with storage. I don't think this is the attitude of everyone at the club.. but definitely a few and ones with considerable influence/power. you are spot on with that, it seems to be the ones who have little experience, The stewarding issues I can fully understand (while I don't agree with it) with the issues regarding more people in the block then there should be and the pyro's but this is stupid and while it was designed not to antagonize the welsh, all it achieved was to antagonize the home fans and piss alot of people off, needless really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Well, a long and interesting read. Of all the issues, the one that amazes me most is that a) The club didn’t ask what the display actually was before agreeing to the idea b) S82 didn’t think to volunteer the information (which they would surely have done if they had no doubts about it). This is the main lesson for next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 I think whoever is in charge of 'safety' issues at the Club, needs to rethink their ability to hold such a post. They think creating a St Georges cross from bits of coloured cardboard is going to create hostility and antagonise. Yet they don't think surrounding your own supporters with a myriad of stewards and Police actively looking for trouble, is going to do the same? If you are surrounded by that scenario, straight away it's going to put you on edge and not relaxed, even angry. I sit in the Dolman and looked across at this unnecessary provocation...which it is in my eyes...and it riled me. It made me feel angry that our club do this to our fans. I really do think they need to sit down and study human behaviour, and what provokes anger and frustration in people. Displaying a flag doesn't...surrounding people by stewards and police does. It doesn't make you feel safe...it in fact has the opposite effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Has anyone noticed how often the club keep going on about the fantastic atmosphere? Well, I'd say it's anything but fantastic, generally. I think this suits the club. Their idea of a 'fantastic atmosphere' is a bit different from ours I would wager. This would be deemed acceptable - whilst a well intentioned gesture, isn't exactly going to bring about the occasional cauldron of noise that AG can be. That wouldn't be family friendly enough. In hindsight - how on earth did City get the swinging of scarves around heads through SAG! Could've had someone's eye out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 The club are lucky they are on the up and up. Heaven forbid we have a tough period - it will be easy for many more, than otherwise, to give it a miss. Anyone for a copy of the fans charter for our club please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 25th November, I'm off with a fellow City fan, to see Wales v New Zealand at Cardiff. I would be very offended if the All Blacks were not allowed to do their Haka before the game as this is usually the best "team talk" for any opposing side. And great pre match entertainment. Is it racist? Not on your life, it is just evidence of how varied the cultures are of different nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: @Mkelly questions need to be asked as to who sanctioned the Murray footage... Don’t expect any answers from him on here. Or from anyone else for that matter. Lack of comment from the club on this is shamefully poor and a complete insult to those who spent time and money sorting this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: @Harry, here's my suggestion for a SS display, next time we meet Cardiff: I don't think anyone at the club will notice that Edward Longshanks was not as it turnt out a key member of Harry Thickett's glorious team from way back when....... Hammer of the Scots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDZ Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 What a farce from the club!! . The whole bubble machine saga when we played west ham a few years back shows their knowledge (or lack of) when it comes to our support. I'm finding it hard to step foot in Ashton Gate these days (even though were on the up) as the match day experience is so sanitised. Fair play to S.82, without them it would be like a morgue at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, spudski said: Yet they don't think surrounding your own supporters with a myriad of stewards and Police actively looking for trouble, is going to do the same? To be honest mate I'm on the club's side re the stewarding and policing. In that area, standing at the edge of the row in S.25 you should see for yourself how many people try and sneak in to this area without a ticket (and I'm not castigating them, I freely admit I encouraged a potd mate from S23 over). But the language and way that stewards are spoken to by those who they advise are not entitled to be in that block, or even by regulars who seem genuinely offended that the little steward doesn't know them by face and name and is not escorting them to their seat. I've seen plenty of incidents where had I been spoken to as they were I would have been on the radio and asking for help removing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Good post. Regarding full and frank discussion point, IMO you can add the FA to that too. FA officer according to Harry's post yesterday was there Saturday, sure they have a say in these things. Wasn't the decision to change the display made on Friday evening though? I thought that the EFL/FA guy was there on matchday to observe fans' behaviour, particularly in the light of their drive to banish flares from the game, not to get involved in specific matchday arrangements. I think they were at our place the other week for the same purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, In the Net said: Wasn't the decision to change the display made on Friday evening though? I thought that the EFL/FA guy was there on matchday to observe fans' behaviour, particularly in the light of their drive to banish flares from the game, not to get involved in specific matchday arrangements. I think they were at our place the other week for the same purpose. I do stand corrected then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, UREDZ said: What a farce from the club!! . The whole bubble machine saga when we played west ham a few years back shows their knowledge (or lack of) when it comes to our support. I'm finding it hard to step foot in Ashton Gate these days (even though were on the up) as the match day experience is so sanitised. Fair play to S.82, without them it would be like a morgue at AG. There was no bubble machine saga. WHU asked to bring one and we said no. The Sun ran an ill informed story (shock horror) without checking with the club for any facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, In the Net said: Wasn't the decision to change the display made on Friday evening though? I thought that the EFL/FA guy was there on matchday to observe fans' behaviour, particularly in the light of their drive to banish flares from the game, not to get involved in specific matchday arrangements. I think they were at our place the other week for the same purpose. Personally don't think the EFL had any say in whats happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: There was no bubble machine saga. WHU asked to bring one and we said no. The Sun ran an ill informed story (shock horror) without checking with the club for any facts. I was under the impression we actually said yes or at the very least gave it serious consideration. That decision was swiftly reversed when the inevitable backlash occurred. https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/bristol-sport-statement-regarding-bubble-machine/ http://bristolcitysupporters.org/atmosphere-bristol-city/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 @Mkelly why dont you just respond and get this put to bed rather than cause anymore Bad feeling towards the club. You really need to explain your Bristol Post comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 We don't know if he has the go ahead though yet, do we? Or when indeed, he will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: There was no bubble machine saga. WHU asked to bring one and we said no. The Sun ran an ill informed story (shock horror) without checking with the club for any facts. We apparently asked for the full technical specification. That sounds more like "perhaps" than "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rob k said: @Mkelly why dont you just respond and get this put to bed rather than cause anymore Bad feeling towards the club. You really need to explain your Bristol Post comments. he won't, it should be down to beanhead to respond on his behalf, as he is the FLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Said it before and thinking it moreso now. Elements of the hierarchy at Bristol Sport, don't seem to 'get' football fans. Football culture. Don't understand it, and possibly in some cases don't much like it. That's the impression I get anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Mighty Squirrel Kingdom said: Again, no idea what I was supposed to do with the piece of card on my seat either before or after the display had been cancelled, so you clearly didn't get the message through either way. And if you'd read and understood my comment, you'd have realised that I wouldn't have participated in it even if I'd been 'personally told what to do'. Out of interest what did you think you were being invited to do with it Oragami Draw a cartoon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STeveOELlis Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Imo a fans liaison officer should be a separate entity to the club, they should be paid by the club as a useful asset, but otherwise have no real connection. This is why Dave L was a much better FLO. Adam Baker is a club employee he is/ was media manager, which means he’s used to being under the clubs thumb by definition. Baker is too involved with the club, all the staff and players know him. This shouldn’t be the case. The FLO should bridge the gap between the fans and the club and be there for the benefit of the fans, and not the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Said it before and thinking it moreso now. Elements of the hierarchy at Bristol Sport, don't seem to 'get' football fans. Football culture. Don't understand it, and possibly in some cases don't much like it. That's the impression I get anyway. This for me. But they aren't going anywhere so its either put up with there bull shit or stay away simple as that really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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