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1 hour ago, Badger08 said:

I stopped reading after the joy of kicking in a police dog. 

That put me off too - not having a go at your fans, as it's one bloke saying it, just sickened me as an animal lover. (Same goes for people injuring horses too, in case anybody's wondering)

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36 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Not really my thing, but I have read a couple and they are pretty dismal, the honourable exception being 'Bovver', maybe it's because I get a few of the references, but trying to be unbiased, it does seem the pick of the bunch.

Certainly one of the most imaginative fictional books I've come across

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It is suggested, by child development boffins, that language delay in infancy and pre-school years, leads to all sorts of problems when kiddies go to school and into later adult life. Problems such as impulse control and aggression to others, that sort of shit. Kiddies with a limited vocabulary are more likely to resolve conflict, for example, by lamping the other kiddie, no questions asked, rather than using words eg "you're going home in a Bristol ambulance" to express theirselves. Little buggers.

Thing is, when you ask them to explain theirselves afterwards, they barely say a word! Other than "he started it." Imagine they were tasked with writing a short story about this episode - it'd be shite. "It all kicked off in the sandpit." He started it, I ended it. The end. Must do better. 

If the boffins are bang on about this, then future football hoolie books might be greatly improved and, er, worth reading, for those of us that read books even when we ain't reading this genre, if young mums in Knowle West and Hartcliffe read more to their little lads, instead of scrolling instagram, Facebook, tik tok, etc. The danger then, though, is that if the mums of South Bristol read and talk and coochie coo more with their little lads then these young braves are going to grow up like the rest of us, all soft and empathic and ready to jaw, jaw, and run a bloody mile when the Gas Shit Squad next rock up/set up camp at the Cross Hands and call the plod for an escort. 

Is that what we want? 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

It is suggested, by child development boffins, that language delay in infancy and pre-school years, leads to all sorts of problems when kiddies go to school and into later adult life. Problems such as impulse control and aggression to others, that sort of shit. Kiddies with a limited vocabulary are more likely to resolve conflict, for example, by lamping the other kiddie, no questions asked, rather than using words eg "you're going home in a Bristol ambulance" to express theirselves. Little buggers.

Thing is, when you ask them to explain theirselves afterwards, they barely say a word! Other than "he started it." Imagine they were tasked with writing a short story about this episode - it'd be shite. "It all kicked off in the sandpit." He started it, I ended it. The end. Must do better. 

If the boffins are bang on about this, then future football hoolie books might be greatly improved and, er, worth reading, for those of us that read books even when we ain't reading this genre, if young mums in Knowle West and Hartcliffe read more to their little lads, instead of scrolling instagram, Facebook, tik tok, etc. The danger then, though, is that if the mums of South Bristol read and talk and coochie coo more with their little lads then these young braves are going to grow up like the rest of us, all soft and empathic and ready to jaw, jaw, and run a bloody mile when the Gas Shit Squad next rock up/set up camp at the Cross Hands and call the plod for an escort. 

Is that what we want? 

 

 

 

Apparently a lack of communication skills are also a major contributing factor to domestic violence as well, people (of either gender/same gender) are more likely to lash out if they are unable to debate and discuss their frustration at situations. Add to that alcohol and a lack of self worth and it's a mixing bowl of despair for some people.

Hopefully education in future will help reduce these things.

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Books like this are always going to split opinions 

I found it quite interesting manly because you were at some of the games or you know the people he was talking about and probably good mates 

but for anyone under 40 I would say it’s a totally different story where you might know some of the people but you would have probably not been at the games 

and it was a totally different era 

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7 hours ago, Hello Dave said:

I’ve read loads of “ hooligan” books  and wanted a City one to be completely different to the rest. Unfortunately it’s a copy and paste of every other book. They all lack the humour you get with a bunch of blokes going to football. There’s only one person in my mind that should be writing a City book.

Whom would that be then? 

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On 01/05/2020 at 18:18, sticks 1969 said:

Books like this are always going to split opinions 

I found it quite interesting manly because you were at some of the games or you know the people he was talking about and probably good mates 

but for anyone under 40 I would say it’s a totally different story where you might know some of the people but you would have probably not been at the games 

and it was a totally different era 

I talk to young lads under 30 at work about how scary football was mainly during the 70's & 80's before the police got the upper hand with CCTV etc.

I stated going regualty in the mid 70's when it was normal for an away mob to group up in the home end and try and take it with Pompey probably being the worst at the time as we always seemed to play them regularly in cup matches as well as the league. If that wasn't scary enough you knew both sets of mobs would meet up outside and then it would be mayhem trying to keep well away as if you got caught in it there was a good chance you would get hurt badly is there wasn't any remorse within football gangs. I also explained that going to away games was at times evil especially if you wasn't in an official coach as there's would be groups of lads hiding down alley ways looking to pick you off as you tried to get back to your car or to the train station.

I for one don't miss those scary times but I guess others will have good memories from them 

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On 16/02/2018 at 08:55, Littlesh*t said:

I am one of those that wasn't around in this era who didn't enjoy the book. I get it was different times but I just dont get attacking families and shirters who didn't want to fight or slicing someone up with a Stanley knife especially when all the way through the book he kept banging on about meeting up against like minded people. 

I have always had an interest in the old stories of the trouble but because my oldman always told me there was an unwritten rule that you only go after like minded people which this book can't make up it's mind which way it wants to go

As i remember it anyone was game you had the hard cases at the front starting the trouble then then rabble like me waiting for a chance to put the boot in it was a buzz never needed drugs. 

Something to look forward to every weekend 

 

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17 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

As i remember it anyone was game you had the hard cases at the front starting the trouble then then rabble like me waiting for a chance to put the boot in it was a buzz never needed drugs. 

Something to look forward to every weekend 

 

That was the problem anyone was game even if they were innocent fans making their way to the ground wearing the opposing team colours and like all cowards the hard cases would disappear if they were out numbered by their equivalent nutters leaving the innocent supporters fearing for their life's 

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On 01/05/2020 at 20:59, sab said:

I found 1% of this book interesting and the rest fairly sickening or pathetic. The author isn’t a football fan he is a sad brainless  individual. 

 

The bit at the end that reads The End.

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59 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

As i remember it anyone was game you had the hard cases at the front starting the trouble then then rabble like me waiting for a chance to put the boot in it was a buzz never needed drugs. 

Something to look forward to every weekend 

 

Blimey. It's because of people like you that football fans are treated as second class citizens (at best) and denied basic freedoms afforded to fans of other sports. 

 

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7 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Blimey. It's because of people like you that football fans are treated as second class citizens (at best) and denied basic freedoms afforded to fans of other sports. 

 

Dont be so thick we all done it never said it was right but we were kids in gangs i think i come from a different world than you 

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54 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said:

That was the problem anyone was game even if they were innocent fans making their way to the ground wearing the opposing team colours and like all cowards the hard cases would disappear if they were out numbered by their equivalent nutters leaving the innocent supporters fearing for their life's 

Oh yes your right that's how it was rarely any pitched battles one lot would run 

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1 hour ago, Shaun Taylor said:

That was the problem anyone was game even if they were innocent fans making their way to the ground wearing the opposing team colours and like all cowards the hard cases would disappear if they were out numbered by their equivalent nutters leaving the innocent supporters fearing for their life's 

Not condoning violence at all, but I have to confess that there were a couple of occasions when I was relieved to see our "nutters" appear over the horizon.

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3 hours ago, Ciderhead433 said:

Dont be so thick we all done it never said it was right but we were kids in gangs i think i come from a different world than you 

I can assure you that we haven’t all done it. Don’t try and justify your participation by pretending that everyone was involved. If your world involved kicking shit out of people for fun, I actually feel quite sorry for you. 

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1 hour ago, CyderInACan said:

I can assure you that we haven’t all done it. Don’t try and justify your participation by pretending that everyone was involved. If your world involved kicking shit out of people for fun, I actually feel quite sorry for you. 

As i said your from a different world to me hope you enjoy your prawn sandwich. 

Im not condoning what i done 50 years ago when a teen im just trying to explain how i felt and reacted like others have.

 

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12 hours ago, Ciderhead433 said:

As i said your from a different world to me hope you enjoy your prawn sandwich. 

Im not condoning what i done 50 years ago when a teen im just trying to explain how i felt and reacted like others have.

 

I'm far from a member of the Prawn Sandwich Brigade I promise you, I've just never seen the attraction of violence for the sake of it - whether that is at football, in town on a friday night etc etc 

At least you're not, as you say, condoning it and it was a long time ago. Enjoy your day COYR :city:

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