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39 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

The excellent film Blinded By The Light, reveals what perfectly legal activity the young ladies were actually doing. 

I liked the Manfred Mann song, but have never heard of the film - a quick Google search shows something about Bruce Springsteen.

Is this the correct film?

If so, I fail to make the connection between 'The Boss', the Pakistani family and the young, scantily dressed ladies I saw hanging around on the street corners in Bradford.

Have I got the wrong film or did I misunderstand totally the outline plot.

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15 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I liked the Manfred Mann song, but have never heard of the film - a quick Google search shows something about Bruce Springsteen.

Is this the correct film?

If so, I fail to make the connection between 'The Boss', the Pakistani family and the young, scantily dressed ladies I saw hanging around on the street corners in Bradford.

Have I got the wrong film or did I misunderstand totally the outline plot.

Hi Phil,

The song was written by Bruce but the Manfreds had a hit with it.

A British film of the same name, released a year ago, and it's about 2 asians who get captivated by Bruce's lyrics. It is a great film and is a true story.

It is set in Luton, mid 80s. The film doesn't pull punches as to how bad racism was for the Asian community. However, teenage British asians, wanted to rebel. About this time, (not in the film) a young Bradford Asian iirc, wanted to play underground music that represented his culture. He came up with the idea  of hiring a nightclub but during the daytime, so that he could play his remixed music. The asian dance scene took off especially as other teenage girls knew they could dress up and wear make-up where their own parents wouldn' t dare go in. There is a such a scene as this in the film.

I therefore put it to the jury, that this is what you saw that day. Young British asians going to or from a Nightclub but during the day.

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10 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Hi Phil,

The song was written by Bruce but the Manfreds had a hit with it.

A British film of the same name, released a year ago, and it's about 2 asians who get captivated by Bruce's lyrics. It is a great film and is a true story.

It is set in Luton, mid 80s. The film doesn't pull punches as to how bad racism was for the Asian community. However, teenage British asians, wanted to rebel. About this time, (not in the film) a young Bradford Asian iirc, wanted to play underground music that represented his culture. He came up with the idea  of hiring a nightclub but during the daytime, so that he could play his remixed music. The asian dance scene took off especially as other teenage girls knew they could dress up and wear make-up where their own parents wouldn' t dare go in. There is a such a scene as this in the film.

I therefore put it to the jury, that this is what you saw that day. Young British asians going to or from a Nightclub but during the day.

But we will never know

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Hi NI, and Thanks for your response.

I knew that Bruce Springsteen wrote the song, but, as I said, I had never heard of the film.

Your explanation as to why these young ladies were dressed as they were now makes sense - it would have been early 1990 when I was in Bradford, and I must confess, I was astonished that they were acting so brazenly, especially as I have had very close contact with both the Indian and Pakistani communities over the years and know how out of character it would have been. 

Just think, I have lived for 30 years with a false impression....

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2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Hi NI, and Thanks for your response.

I knew that Bruce Springsteen wrote the song, but, as I said, I had never heard of the film.

Your explanation as to why these young ladies were dressed as they were now makes sense - it would have been early 1990 when I was in Bradford, and I must confess, I was astonished that they were acting so brazenly, especially as I have had very close contact with both the Indian and Pakistani communities over the years and know how out of character it would have been. 

Just think, I have lived for 30 years with a false impression....

Asian girls from Totterdown who went to Merrywood girls school would change into western clothes on the bus and this is very early 70s

 

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On 26/05/2020 at 08:28, Miah Dennehy said:

I wonder if younger City fans realise just how big a result that Leeds game was.

Leeds were the club of the moment and these were the days the FA Cup was taken seriously , there was no resting of players  and Leeds were a team full of internationals who were running away with the league while City were struggling. I know of a couple of Rovers fans who went to both games, because back then you didn't get many chances to see the best team in the land.

I remember being totally shocked ( and jealous) when the news filtered through of the result. It was a far bigger shock than when you beat Manchester United and I would argue one of the biggest games in your history.

Good post. I’ve often thought that this achievement has been overlooked. From recollection Leeds had not lost all season and that was in the days when the “playing field” was more level and long unbeaten runs were rare. The FA cup really mattered.I went to the first game - Gow’s through ball and Fear’s finish one of the best goals ever - but was not aloud to go to the replay (I was 10). My Dad confirms that the locals were not magnanimous losers! Enjoyed beating Man U in the League Cup but this was different level. 

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2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Phil i much prefered 90s feminists,

Kick off about a extra egg but turn a blind eye to ladys of the night.

Mind boggles doesnt it!

A very interesting observation.

It happened some 30 years ago, but my recollection is that, when we happened upon the young ladies, we looked at each other in amazement, chuckled/laughed and then carried on for our lunch appointment without further ado.

In respect of the extra egg, however, I suspect that our breakfasts were almost cold before my girlfriend was able to overcome her astonishment/disgust and, as I mentioned in my original post, the subject is still discussed today, some 30 years after the event.  

 

23 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

Asian girls from Totterdown who went to Merrywood girls school would change into western clothes on the bus and this is very early 70s

That may well be the case, but this wasn't just 'Western' clothing; this was extremely short skirts, revealing tops and heavy make-up.

In addition, they were all standing/posing provocatively, hence the reason I was convinced they were 'on the game'.

I am aware I have already sidetracked this thread slightly and have no wish to do so any further, but, whilst I remember City Road back in the day, with its numerous Afro-Caribbean 'ladies of the night', I don't recall seeing any Asian girls, hence the reason for my surprise. 

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3 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Hi NI, and Thanks for your response.

I knew that Bruce Springsteen wrote the song, but, as I said, I had never heard of the film.

Your explanation as to why these young ladies were dressed as they were now makes sense - it would have been early 1990 when I was in Bradford, and I must confess, I was astonished that they were acting so brazenly, especially as I have had very close contact with both the Indian and Pakistani communities over the years and know how out of character it would have been. 

Just think, I have lived for 30 years with a false impression....

To be fair to you Phil, I only knew about the Underground scene last year! There was an excellent story about it, or Long Read as the Beeb calls it, on the news website. 

If you were in that area and didn't know anything about it, then I would suggest that they had succeeded!

Here's more about the film which is also very funny at times. A must watch!

 

 

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2 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

To be fair to you Phil, I only knew about the Underground scene last year! There was an excellent story about it, or Long Read as the Beeb calls it, on the news website. 

If you were in that area and didn't know anything about it, then I would suggest that they had succeeded!

Here's more about the film which is also very funny at times. A must watch!

 

 

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Very good movie, really enjoyed it

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On 13/05/2020 at 09:13, RedRock said:

If I was a social scientist, one might conclude that tougher sentencing combined with greater surveillance has resulted in less crime.

Bit if I was an academic then I’d be left-wing, so that wouldn’t fit my PC narrative 😀

All to do with leaded fuel apparently

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615

Also, are there no, or significantly fewer, right-wing academics? If so, presumably that's because the more intelligent people are politically socialist

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On 27/05/2020 at 16:13, PHILINFRANCE said:

I liked the Manfred Mann song, but have never heard of the film - a quick Google search shows something about Bruce Springsteen.

Is this the correct film?

If so, I fail to make the connection between 'The Boss', the Pakistani family and the young, scantily dressed ladies I saw hanging around on the street corners in Bradford.

Have I got the wrong film or did I misunderstand totally the outline plot.

Funny enough I was only playing the single last weekend, my son loved it, released in '76, 

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I got bought this book for my birthday not because I have a real interest in hooliganism more that someone saw it on google and it had Bristol city linked to it.

just finished it and to be fair it was not a bad read, some decent stories, some that sounded a bit OTT but on the whole I am glad I read to the end.

 At points it was very one sided and made out that we have the best hooligan firm in the country, which I am not sure is correct, but who would ever admit in school or growing up that their Gang wasn’t as good as others.

Whatever people feel about the book, it is clearly written by someone who has seen it all, and why shouldn’t he write about it, plenty of others on the same topic kicking about. I will never understand the attraction but it was what it was for some people I do appreciate that.

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RIP Simon 

I don't want to take this off topic but I'm intrigued why the police will reinvesigate the case now he's sadly passed away. 

Has the offence got worse now he's died (assumedly) from injuries sustained in the attack? 

A real shame he didn't get justice whilst he was alive 

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6 hours ago, phantom said:

RIP Simon 

I don't want to take this off topic but I'm intrigued why the police will reinvesigate the case now he's sadly passed away. 

Has the offence got worse now he's died (assumedly) from injuries sustained in the attack? 

A real shame he didn't get justice whilst he was alive 

I gather that now Simon has passed away the police are looking at the possibility of manslaughter charges so technically the offence has got worse. Very sad news. RIP Simon.

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Interesting because 10 of that gang (out of 13 convicted) have completed their sentences or are out on license. I’m guessing that means the three who got five years, presumably the ones who did the real harm, are still inside now and could be for a good while longer if new charges are brought against them.

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Have to be charged again surely. Disgusting, this is why football hooliganism has to be left in the past.

I don't care if it's your release, your 'family', or your life. It's not more important than someone else's actual life.

If you enjoy fighting, go fight in the ring or a cage. You won't though, as you're weak men that won't fight someone that is better than you.

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6 minutes ago, Banned User said:

Have to be charged again surely. Disgusting, this is why football hooliganism has to be left in the past.

I don't care if it's your release, your 'family', or your life. It's not more important than someone else's actual life.

If you enjoy fighting, go fight in the ring or a cage. You won't though, as you're weak men that won't fight someone that is better than you.

100%  

This should serve as a rebuke to the apologists who say "We only fight like minded people"... usually followed by the word "snowflake", which is quite possibly my most hated word right now...possibly because it teems to be the word of choice for most right wing arseholes....

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7 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

100%  

This should serve as a rebuke to the apologists who say "We only fight like minded people"... usually followed by the word "snowflake", which is quite possibly my most hated word right now...possibly because it teems to be the word of choice for most right wing arseholes....

Ah! Yes,snowflake,a bit like do- gooders,as if doing good is a bad thing 😐

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On 27/05/2020 at 20:00, Norn Iron said:

To be fair to you Phil, I only knew about the Underground scene last year! There was an excellent story about it, or Long Read as the Beeb calls it, on the news website. 

If you were in that area and didn't know anything about it, then I would suggest that they had succeeded!

Here's more about the film which is also very funny at times. A must watch!

 

 

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What made that film for me was knowing that the biggest arsehole character in it was based on a friend of mine. He was at school with the author.

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27 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

What made that film for me was knowing that the biggest arsehole character in it was based on a friend of mine. He was at school with the author.

Robbo, you didn't by any chance live near Luton, like I did for my schooldays?

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2 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Robbo, you didn't by any chance live near Luton, like I did for my schooldays?

Nope, but this friend of mine did.  Although he isn't quite as irritating as his character in the film is, it's recognisably him!  :laughcont:

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