redcityman Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, Up The City! said: I don't think you do! For someone that has worked in this field and the mental health field for so long you should be an expert. But saying we shouldn't employ someone because of their problems is damn right wrong (and likely illegal) as an expert you should no better than that. Addiction is in most cases, just a symptom of a deep underlying problem, but being an expert you are you would know that wouldn't you? The part in bold is the only part that I agree with, in which case the best thing would be time away from the game to get himself sorted with professionals who can help him deal with his problems. Addictions don't just effect oneself, they effect everyone around them, families can be destroyed, friendships ruined, do we want that in the City dressing room, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I really hope Caulker turns his career around but, aside from anything else, I recall him saying his problems started when he moved to Bristol on loan and found himself isolated in a new city without support. Given that, I can’t see him feeling a move back to Bristol is the right option for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Someone will take a punt but I’d be very surprised if it was in the Championship. Obviously got talent but also has the demons . If he gets or is on a 12 step programme he can be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Robbored said: For 38 years until I retired in 2010. Spent the last 26 years counselling in addiction. Good for you Robbored! Too many posters on here are always looking to put you down, "attack the post, not the poster" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Why would we want another centre half? We have 3 good ones and Maggers coming up too. To be fair, Caulker did look classy when he was with us and I too thought he had the makings of a future England captain. Wherever he goes, I wish him all the best, but he does need to go somewhere he can get a game every week at his age. Sat around waiting to get a start at AG would do him no good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Here it is right. Caulker should step away from the game and sort himself out. Get in to counselling, get something to cling to if it's as bad as it sounds, and regroup. If he wants to come back in to football after that, then more power to him, but he'll have to start lower down the pyramid and work his way up. Fortunately he's got age on his side and can play for a long while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Unless Johnson is a qualified addiction counsellor, you're 100% wrong I bet you he's not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, RedM said: Didn’t Caulker have a relationship with someone in Cardiff and they had a child together? Maybe Bristol being closer than London might be a factor if he still has contact with either or both? * * Not saying we are even considering him mind. Was at Yeovil, I went out with a girl who works with his mum and dad, surprised how he turned out due to their profession as prison guards. But the amount he earnt/earns the temptation was too strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 It’s a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: For 38 years until I retired in 2010. Spent the last 26 years counselling in addiction. So fairly new to the issue then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, RedM said: Didn’t Caulker have a relationship with someone in Cardiff and they had a child together? Maybe Bristol being closer than London might be a factor if he still has contact with either or both? * * Not saying we are even considering him mind. OMG not Tomlin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, pillred said: I bet you he's not!! How much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Why not? His personal troubles, gambling, drinking and so on can be sorted out, or have sorted out. Top player when he was here. Played for England vs Sweden in Stockholm couple of years ago. Think Zlatan scored 4 in that game. If Baker is out, try him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Perhaps we can get him back on a pay for play basis, that would possibly give him some sort of incentive. He did well here, and we are seemingly the sort of club that could help the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said: Here it is right. Caulker should step away from the game and sort himself out. Get in to counselling, get something to cling to if it's as bad as it sounds, and regroup. If he wants to come back in to football after that, then more power to him, but he'll have to start lower down the pyramid and work his way up. Fortunately he's got age on his side and can play for a long while yet. Not sure stepping away from the game would help, but no one on here knows the detail, as I said I would play him on a non contract basis allowing him some time with whoever can help this terrible situation he is in. Remember a lot of footballers have these sort of problems we just cannot turn our backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: Not sure stepping away from the game would help, but no one on here knows the detail, as I said I would play him on a non contract basis allowing him some time with whoever can help this terrible situation he is in. Remember a lot of footballers have these sort of problems we just cannot turn our backs. IMO its about him being responsible for his own health, thats what I was trying to get at in that post. I wouldn't want him to keep playing if it's gonna be detrimental to him. Not saying turn our backs on him, apologies if thats how it sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Perhaps we can get him back on a pay for play basis, that would possibly give him some sort of incentive. He did well here, and we are seemingly the sort of club that could help the guy. Are we? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Are we? Why? Fans give out Curly Wurlys. I’d pen a 4 year deal for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, BigTone said: OMG not Tomlin ? Similarities did cross my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Fans give out Curly Wurlys. I’d pen a 4 year deal for that. I'd get addicted to them. No need for Casinos and Bars just Curly Wurly shops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Very very sad to have such talent squandered, that the rest of us can only dream of having. Hopefully the club is better geared now to take responsibility for its young players - yet this didn't happen in some distant past. Every good thought to the young man and hope he can regain both his life and his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDBS36 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Wow what a turn down in his career, from a promising Spurs star making his way up the leagues to being released from QPR such a shame to see his career disappearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, SDBS36 said: Wow what a turn down in his career, from a promising Spurs star making his way up the leagues to being released from QPR such a shame to see his career disappearing All cast to dust by his very own hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 I was once ambushed Psycho at a gig in London when he was England U21 manager and said he should give him a go.He did pick him shortly afterwards. I then heard from someone who said they knew him, that he thought our club was a joke. Still wish him well. Great player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolford's Hairband Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Don't think he will want to return. He is an England international and that shows and we know he has the quality as well. May be worth LJ having a catch up chat or a phone call and to see just where he is as such. Things have changed massively with the club since he was last here in terms of what the club was and is now and I think there would be a lot better of a support network now. LJ, McAllister and Scotty Murray all know what he is capable of it is just what would have to be done to get him to those levels. Personally not sure if he in a position where he would even be interested but there is a hell of a player beneath the issues he has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: IMO its about him being responsible for his own health, thats what I was trying to get at in that post. I wouldn't want him to keep playing if it's gonna be detrimental to him. Not saying turn our backs on him, apologies if thats how it sounded. I think when someone is in a terrible frame of mind it's a little bit harsh to expect them to take responsibility for their own health. They need all the care and love and support from those around them and for them to be the responsible ones really. It's a double edge sword, yes taking him out of the game could help him but also it could damage him further as he may feel as if his whole world is collapsing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Up The City! said: I think when someone is in a terrible frame of mind it's a little bit harsh to expect them to take responsibility for their own health. They need all the care and love and support from those around them and for them to be the responsible ones really. It's a double edge sword, yes taking him out of the game could help him but also it could damage him further as he may feel as if his whole world is collapsing. You are probably correct here, but please what exactly are you suggesting?, that a club takes him on as an act of charity?. As with all addictions you can only help the ones who genuinely want the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: You are probably correct here, but please what exactly are you suggesting?, that a club takes him on as an act of charity?. As with all addictions you can only help the ones who genuinely want the help. That seems to be the suggestion; I wonder what Billy Kenny is up to these days. He is the classic lost star. http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/2015/05/21/billy-kenny-from-hero-to-zero/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 On the question of whether we should give him a try; it depends on how bad his 'issues' were/are and what steps are being taken to address them. The lad had LOADS of talent once (not that long ago) and at 26 he would easily be able to regain his fitness, so physically he could do a (very good) job for us. It all comes down to how 'damaged' he is and what his dressing-room personality is like. Lets face it; I doubt if any of us on this forum know him personally (happy to be proved wrong) so we don't know how bad his issues are. We are making judgements based on hearsay in the press and moaning from the QPR forums (not a criticism by the way - its all we have to go on). No doubt LJ and the management team are aware of his availability - plus LJ knows him personally (which we don't), so I trust LJ to do what's right by the club - he will not do anything to ruin the team spirit, but if Caulker is a genuine guy with a problem who seriously wants to straighten his life out and restart his career (and it HAS to come from him) then I see no reason why we shouldn't give him a go - we don't need to sign him on £25k per week - there are other ways - trials for example - and if his intentions are genuine I'm sure the other lads would support and help him - and if he really does prove to be beyond help then LJ would offload quickly I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Lots of mentions on here about Caulker being on his own when he moved here where he found himself alone with lots of money and near casino's, bars etc. What was Danny Rose doing? He was on loan from Spurs at the same time, could they not have bunked up together? You would have thought Spurs would have supported something like that having 2 of their young kids on loan at the same team. Anyone know? For all I know, Rose could have had a girlfriend and child at the time living with him so may not have been best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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