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26 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

I don't think you do! For someone that has worked in this field and the mental health field for so long you should be an expert. But saying we shouldn't employ someone because of their problems is damn right wrong (and likely illegal) as an expert you should no better than that. 

Addiction is in most cases, just a symptom of a deep underlying problem, but being an expert you are you would know that wouldn't you?

The part in bold is the only part that I agree with, in which case the best thing would be time away from the game to get himself sorted with professionals who can help him deal with his problems.

Addictions don't just effect oneself, they effect everyone around them, families can be destroyed, friendships ruined, do we want that in the City dressing room, no thanks.

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Why would we want another centre half?  We have 3 good ones and Maggers coming up too.

To be fair, Caulker did look classy when he was with us and I too thought he had the makings of a future England captain.

Wherever he goes, I wish him all the best, but he does need to go somewhere he can get a game every week at his age. Sat around waiting to get a start at AG would do him no good at all.

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Here it is right. Caulker should step away from the game and sort himself out. Get in to counselling, get something to cling to if it's as bad as it sounds, and regroup. If he wants to come back in to football after that, then more power to him, but he'll have to start lower down the pyramid and work his way up. Fortunately he's got age on his side and can play for a long while yet.

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1 hour ago, RedM said:

Didn’t Caulker have a relationship with someone in Cardiff and they had a child together? Maybe Bristol being closer than London might be a factor if he still has contact with either or both? *

* Not saying we are even considering him mind.

Was at Yeovil, I went out with a girl who works with his mum and dad, surprised how he turned out due to their profession as prison guards. But the amount he earnt/earns the temptation was too strong

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2 hours ago, RedM said:

Didn’t Caulker have a relationship with someone in Cardiff and they had a child together? Maybe Bristol being closer than London might be a factor if he still has contact with either or both? *

* Not saying we are even considering him mind.

OMG not Tomlin ?

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1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said:

Here it is right. Caulker should step away from the game and sort himself out. Get in to counselling, get something to cling to if it's as bad as it sounds, and regroup. If he wants to come back in to football after that, then more power to him, but he'll have to start lower down the pyramid and work his way up. Fortunately he's got age on his side and can play for a long while yet.

Not sure stepping away from the game would help, but no one on here knows the detail, as I said I would play him on a non contract basis allowing him some time with whoever can help this terrible situation he is in. Remember a lot of footballers have these sort of problems we just cannot turn our backs.  

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1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said:

Not sure stepping away from the game would help, but no one on here knows the detail, as I said I would play him on a non contract basis allowing him some time with whoever can help this terrible situation he is in. Remember a lot of footballers have these sort of problems we just cannot turn our backs.  

IMO its about him being responsible for his own health, thats what I was trying to get at in that post. I wouldn't want him to keep playing if it's gonna be detrimental to him.

Not saying turn our backs on him, apologies if thats how it sounded.

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7 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

Perhaps we can get him back on a pay for play basis, that would possibly give him some sort of incentive. He did well here, and we are seemingly the sort of club that could help the guy. 

Are we?  Why? 

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Very very sad to have such talent squandered, that the rest of us can only dream of having.

 

Hopefully the club is better geared now to take responsibility for its young players - yet this didn't happen in some distant past.

 

Every good thought to the young man and hope he can regain both his life and his career

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Don't think he will want to return. He is an England international and that shows and we know he has the quality as well. May be worth LJ having a catch up chat or a phone call and to see just where he is as such. Things have changed massively with the club since he was last here in terms of what the club was and is now and I think there would be a lot better of a support network now. LJ, McAllister and Scotty Murray all know what he is capable of it is just what would have to be done to get him to those levels. Personally not sure if he in a position where he would even be interested but there is a hell of a player beneath the issues he has had.

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4 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

IMO its about him being responsible for his own health, thats what I was trying to get at in that post. I wouldn't want him to keep playing if it's gonna be detrimental to him.

Not saying turn our backs on him, apologies if thats how it sounded.

I think when someone is in a terrible frame of mind it's a little bit harsh to expect them to take responsibility for their own health. They need all the care and love and support from those around them and for them to be the responsible ones really.

It's a double edge sword, yes taking him out of the game could help him but also it could damage him further as he may feel as if his whole world is collapsing. 

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6 hours ago, Up The City! said:

I think when someone is in a terrible frame of mind it's a little bit harsh to expect them to take responsibility for their own health. They need all the care and love and support from those around them and for them to be the responsible ones really.

It's a double edge sword, yes taking him out of the game could help him but also it could damage him further as he may feel as if his whole world is collapsing. 

You are probably correct here, but please what exactly are you suggesting?, that a club takes him on as an act of charity?.

As with all addictions you can only help the ones who genuinely want the help.

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1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

You are probably correct here, but please what exactly are you suggesting?, that a club takes him on as an act of charity?.

As with all addictions you can only help the ones who genuinely want the help.

That seems to be the suggestion; I wonder what Billy Kenny is up to these days.  He is the classic lost star.

http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/2015/05/21/billy-kenny-from-hero-to-zero/

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On the question of whether we should give him a try; it depends on how bad his 'issues' were/are and what steps are being taken to address them.

The lad had LOADS of talent once (not that long ago) and at 26 he would easily be able to regain his fitness, so physically he could do a (very good) job for us. It all comes down to how 'damaged' he is and what his dressing-room personality is like. Lets face it; I doubt if any of us on this forum know him personally (happy to be proved wrong) so we don't know how bad his issues are. We are making judgements based on hearsay in the press and moaning from the QPR forums (not a criticism by the way - its all we have to go on).

No doubt LJ and the management team are aware of his availability - plus LJ knows him personally (which we don't), so I trust LJ to do what's right by the club - he will not do anything to ruin the team spirit, but if Caulker is a genuine guy with a problem who seriously wants to straighten his life out and restart his career (and it HAS to come from him) then I see no reason why we shouldn't give him a go - we don't need to sign him on £25k per week - there are other ways - trials for example - and if his intentions are genuine I'm sure the other lads would support and help him - and if he really does prove to be beyond help then LJ would offload quickly I'm sure.

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Lots of mentions on here about Caulker being on his own when he moved here where he found himself alone with lots of money and near casino's, bars etc.

What was Danny Rose doing? He was on loan from Spurs at the same time, could they not have bunked up together? You would have thought Spurs would have supported something like that having 2 of their young kids on loan at the same team.

Anyone know? For all I know, Rose could have had a girlfriend and child at the time living with him so may not have been best.

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