Cardy Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I see on Sky Sports that they have just said that VAR won't be used in our match with Man City because Ashton Gate doesn't have the technology in place to be ready to use it. So I was wondering what exactly a club / stadium needs to implement VAR other than a few extra TV cameras (check), some big screens (check) and a few phone lines (check). Does anyone therefore know why Ashton Gate has been deemed as not ready at his stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cardy said: I see on Sky Sports that they have just said that VAR won't be used in our match with Man City because Ashton Gate doesn't have the technology in place to be ready to use it. So I was wondering what exactly a club / stadium needs to implement VAR other than a few extra TV cameras (check), some big screens (check) and a few phone lines (check). Does anyone therefore know why Ashton Gate has been deemed as not ready at his stage? Rather a lot of extra cameras, which all PL grounds have because of VAR. I don't believe any club outside of the PL have them in place yet according to R5L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottishRed said: Rather a lot of extra cameras, which all PL grounds have because of VAR. I don't believe any club outside of the PL have them in place yet according to R5L. I’d imagine you’d need at least two or three different camera angles providing closeups of every area of the pitch. That would probably total between twelve to eighteen cameras to cover the whole pitch. Then you have to have the infrastructure for each of those cameras to provide instant replays both to a booth where the VAR sits and to a screen for the ref to check should be wish. Total guesswork, but I’d imagine for a televised game we’d have between 6-10 cameras used? Most of those brought in especially by Sky for the fixture? VAR is likely to be a lot more complex than it would seem to set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 The main issue is the need for a direct link to PL HQ where the video ref is based. For fairly obvious reasons, only PL grounds have this currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Decent video here that gives a fair amount of detail. Ref explains how VAR works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tel Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: I’d imagine you’d need at least two or three different camera angles providing closeups of every area of the pitch. That would probably total between twelve to eighteen cameras to cover the whole pitch. Then you have to have the infrastructure for each of those cameras to provide instant replays both to a booth where the VAR sits and to a screen for the ref to check should be wish. Total guesswork, but I’d imagine for a televised game we’d have between 6-10 cameras used? Most of those brought in especially by Sky for the fixture? VAR is likely to be a lot more complex than it would seem to set up. Didn't AG have cameras in place for the VAR when Bristol were in the Rugby Premiership, last season, and probably be needed again next season? Or do you think that that system is not good enough for the football VAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Premier League grounds all get hardwired with cabling and other bits and bobs at the start of their second season. That might involve adding extra camera positions too so I guess it’s all part of the big picture. But secretly Pep knows they’re not going to beat us fairly so he’s had to bribe the EFL to make up an excuse to ban VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO is on the case and is letting us know the requirements for VAR installation in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Red Tel said: Didn't AG have cameras in place for the VAR when Bristol were in the Rugby Premiership, last season, and probably be needed again next season? Or do you think that that system is not good enough for the football VAR? Good point. Didn’t consider that. @Northern Red has probably hit the nail on the head above when he says there’s needs to be direct links to a VAR based in Premier League HQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Surely 24,000 Bristolians shouting "PENALTY!" is the only technology required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Red Tel said: Didn't AG have cameras in place for the VAR when Bristol were in the Rugby Premiership, last season, and probably be needed again next season? Or do you think that that system is not good enough for the football VAR? Different set up. In Rugby the VAR is on site. God knows why the VAR is hidden in EPL headquarters. It strikes me that a lot of people in power within football don't actually want this to work. For the life of me I don't see why they don't just stick the replays on the screens like in Rugby so everyone can see it. One thing I thought was good last night was when he looked at a potential penalty. The players were ready to get on with the game as soon as the review was done. Little things like this really help get over the issue of delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Bard said: Different set up. In Rugby the VAR is on site. God knows why the VAR is hidden in EPL headquarters. It strikes me that a lot of people in power within football don't actually want this to work. For the life of me I don't see why they don't just stick the replays on the screens like in Rugby so everyone can see it. One thing I thought was good last night was when he looked at a potential penalty. The players were ready to get on with the game as soon as the review was done. Little things like this really help get over the issue of delays. One thing about last night has made me curious. If the ref had given the penalty, do you think it would have stood? Not sure either angle showed enough to make it a clear and obvious error. Is it a similar situation to the NFL in which there has to be irrefutable evidence to overturn a decision on-field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Watched the game last night VAR was awful took far too long. Scrap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Glad to know. I hope Ashton Gate is never ready for this load of b**ll*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I think with some of the egos in the PL it will be like opening a can of worms if they don’t get their way. A la Conte last night they should be told that that var is the referee's perogative and not theirs! A few bookings for diving might sort that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 It’s the data link to PL HQ. Pure and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Glad to know. I hope Ashton Gate is never ready for this load of b**ll*cks. Unless it works in our favour of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I can see this getting out of control, they review once play has stopped. If there’s a penalty decision which gets waved away and the ball remains in play for 5-10 mins (not impossible for that to happen) then when they review it it was a pen and play is taken back to that point what happens to the 5-10 mins that was played? Does it get added on? We could easily see games finishing at 17:30 some weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: I can see this getting out of control, they review once play has stopped. If there’s a penalty decision which gets waved away and the ball remains in play for 5-10 mins (not impossible for that to happen) then when they review it it was a pen and play is taken back to that point what happens to the 5-10 mins that was played? Does it get added on? We could easily see games finishing at 17:30 some weeks I think play needs to be stopped immediately. If it proves to not be a foul then the other team gets a free kick in the position the play was stopped. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: I can see this getting out of control, they review once play has stopped. If there’s a penalty decision which gets waved away and the ball remains in play for 5-10 mins (not impossible for that to happen) then when they review it it was a pen and play is taken back to that point what happens to the 5-10 mins that was played? Does it get added on? We could easily see games finishing at 17:30 some weeks It's a bit of a farce doing it like that, what if either team goes on to score in that time which will happen eventually and it then gets called back for a penalty? What happens if a player who should have been sent off scores? Or commits another foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: I think play needs to be stopped immediately. If it proves to not be a foul then the other team gets a free kick in the position the play was stopped. Simple. Last night they reviewed the decision when play went out for a corner. I understand if it’s not then play just restarts where it stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 A bit concerned that the new AG hasn't been set up with top flight in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Last night they reviewed the decision when play went out for a corner. I understand if it’s not then play just restarts where it stopped. Also what happens if they scored before that corner? They would then get an immediate chance to double the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I can't understand how you can have VAR and its associated stoppages without simultaneously implementing the "Stop the clock" method that Rugby uses. Football is already awful at timing each match. Generally the ball is only in play for 60-65 minutes of the 90 and injury time is the biggest load of guesswork there is. Just stop the clock each time the ball goes dead or the ref blows his whistle, then start it again. So simple and surely necessary if they are going to introduce further unknown dead periods into a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Up The City! said: Also what happens if they scored before that corner? They would then get an immediate chance to double the score? I believe if play stops because of a goal and it should have been a penalty at the other end they take the play back to the penalty meaning anything that happened in that time isn’t counted for including the goal. That’s my understanding of how it works. It seems very harsh if you have a penalty shout that gets reviewed but your team still has the ball in the box and the game restarts with the opposition kicking it back to your goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, tinman85 said: A bit concerned that the new AG hasn't been set up with top flight in mind. What? Because we don't have something installed that is, at present, only available to PL clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 This will take some time to get right. Anyone expecting it to be perfect is being ridiculous. The experience in Rugby is that it took a lot of time to get to a sensible solution. They had it for a Bristol game earlier this season refereed by a novice to VAR and he faffed about continuously as he was lacking the confidence to deal with it correctly. Compare this to someone like Wayne Barnes who knows what he wants from VAR and so the whole process is quicker. They have also sussed out that being able to hear the referee and the VAR talking during the game adds to the spectacle. Referees are sometimes prompted to check things and sometimes they prompt the VAR to get something ready to check. With this blocked off from TV coverage no one knows what is going on which will make it harder to succeed in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKatieScarlett Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On the BBC site there is mention of VAR being used in matches with Norwich ( not us) and Fleetwood ( v Leicester I think). How are those grounds set up for it when we’re not?? or have I misread the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42648522 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, RedKatieScarlett said: On the BBC site there is mention of VAR being used in matches with Norwich ( not us) and Fleetwood ( v Leicester I think). How are those grounds set up for it when we’re not?? or have I misread the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42648522 The Norwich and Fleetwood matches are replays away at PL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, RedKatieScarlett said: On the BBC site there is mention of VAR being used in matches with Norwich ( not us) and Fleetwood ( v Leicester I think). How are those grounds set up for it when we’re not?? or have I misread the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42648522 PL HQ link... Leicester play in the BPL, Norwich played in the BPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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