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Would you welcome / respect an improved Rovers?

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I haven't put this in the dustbin thread, as the question might become lost amongst the junk and nuggets of comedy.  I've been thinking about the prospect of Rovers -as unlikely as it sounds - being promoted to the Championship some time in the near future and being run in a more professional manner.  I'm not interested in the details of how they could win promotion, but more about how we would feel (if indeed we were still in the Championship) and what the footballing landscape of the City would look like.  On one hand, we'd have the excitement and tension of the league Derby, but we'd have to rub shoulders again with the Gas heads.

Would the prospect of Rovers being an improved club, run more efficiently, improve the footballing status of Bristol and help us advance even further?  If this was to happen, would it be a good thing?  I do look at the shambles of Rovers and feel they tarnish the name of the City I love dearly.  It would be interesting if they became a soundly run football club, improved or moved to a new stadium, and whilst not being able to challenge our position as the alpha club in the region, at least become something other than a constant figure of fun.

Thoughts?

And don't worry, this is purely hypothetical!

If this thread does find itself dumped in with the rubbish, then so be it.

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I'd like that, only from a selfish City pov, I dont give a flying f*uck about the Sagheads, but I miss beating and humiliating them so for that reason i hope they get their shit together 

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No, a cup game would be good to absolutely smash them but they're out of the cups by the time we enter them. Mind the gap.

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7 minutes ago, CiderHider said:

I'd like that, only from a selfish City pov, I dont give a flying f*uck about the Sagheads, but I miss beating and humiliating them so for that reason i hope they get their shit together 

Oh you are cruel ... I like it!

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I have a uncle who is a Rovers fans. I used to think it would be great to have Bristol City top the Prem/Champ with Rovers just below us, it would make Bristol more of a destination for good players and give fans a much needed/earned bit of success. Over the years though he has become more and more... angry um I am not sure how to describe it, its a sort of jealousy, we have not earned our ground, team, success, league places or anything as we are just a rich persons franchise. Constantly talking about the millions wasted and how little success we have had with it. He didn't used to be like this,  but I just feel every year Rovers are a joke becoming more and more rag bag, the more he lashes out at us instead of trying to fix his house, he's trying to tear down ours.

 

So I am torn between wanting 2 good clubs at the top of the leagues, and not really caring about them other than light relief to bring a smile to my face over what ever tinpot thing they had done that day.

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Perhaps you are all too young to remember when both Bristol teams were in the old division 2.  It was great.  Two England strikers and a whole raft of characters, Pitt and Peacock to name only two.  The modern nastiness between fans is truly a horrifying spectacle for many of us oldies.  Why would Bristolians not want the sort of good humoured rivalry of the past and a high quality of football to watch, and those wonderful matches between the two.  Remember, as a schoolboy, joshing our Rovers coaches when City, more often than not, put one over on them.  It was all good fun.  They were nice guys too none nicer than Alcock who lived in Fishponds near me.

I know that golden era of real, and many of them local, old pros in both teams has gone forever; but the era of another, and better, golden age for Bristol football would be fantastic

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Its all about City now for me. Good luck to them if they ever manage to catch us. Im sure it would be a distraction if they were in the same league. Both clubs have held each other back for decades by just being happy to be top dog in Bristol. Thankfully as a club we now seem to be looking at the bigger picture. As for having to play them as a result of us slipping back to their level....well it dosent bear thinking about!

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I really don't care about The Gas one way or the other. I do believe though that a successful local rival would act as a spur for City to continue to improve.

Man United had City nipping away at their heels for years...if their local rivals were Bury or Stockport, the cutting edge wouldn't be as sharp

Liverpool permanently have Everton to keep 'em "honest". If their nearest rivals were Tranmere, once again, the cutting edge wouldn't be as sharp.

Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea have each other for company with only the odd slide into a lower league.

I think it's healthy to have a local rival to keep you on your toes.

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1 minute ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

I really don't care about The Gas one way or the other. I do believe though that a successful local rival would act as a spur for City to continue to improve.

Man United had City nipping away at their heels for years...if their local rivals were Bury or Stockport, the cutting edge wouldn't be as sharp

Liverpool permanently have Everton to keep 'em "honest". If their nearest rivals were Tranmere, once again, the cutting edge wouldn't be as sharp.

Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea have each other for company with only the odd slide into a lower league.

I think it's healthy to have a local rival to keep you on your toes.

There is the one upmanship aye

Take European history against Australian history from the last 500 yrs, we only got so good becuase we kept getting ****ed over by everyone and had to improve, Meanwhile in Australia, where are their rivals? They have none so there is no need to build war ships is there? 

 

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I am sure all City fans would welcome and respect Forest Green improving and working their way up the football league.

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24 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

For me no . And I genuinely hope they go bust . 

And probably come back stronger under improved leadership, why are you trying to help the Sags? 

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22 minutes ago, CiderHider said:

I'd like that, only from a selfish City pov, I dont give a flying f*uck about the Sagheads, but I miss beating and humiliating them so for that reason i hope they get their shit together 

You obviously weren't watching in the 80s when they would routinely beat us, this is how it would typically go - 

- city would be far better team, play better football dominate the game

- Gas would kick anything in a red shirt, usually 3 foot into the air

- in the 89th minute some free signing from Mnagotsfield would score from 40 yards and Gas would win

- next six months Reds would be constantly reminded off it.

 

so for me it is a let them rot. Really enjoyed the last 18 years, :laugh:

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12 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Perhaps you are all too young to remember when both Bristol teams were in the old division 2.  It was great.  Two England strikers and a whole raft of characters, Pitt and Peacock to name only two.  The modern nastiness between fans is truly a horrifying spectacle for many of us oldies.  Why would Bristolians not want the sort of good humoured rivalry of the past and a high quality of football to watch, and those wonderful matches between the two.  Remember, as a schoolboy, joshing our Rovers coaches when City, more often than not, put one over on them.  It was all good fun.  They were nice guys too none nicer than Alcock who lived in Fishponds near me.

I know that golden era of real, and many of them local, old pros in both teams has gone forever; but the era of another, and better, golden age for Bristol football would be fantastic

Remember sitting and listening to my dad and Josser Watling,a family friend,chatting football and the old days...was pure magic & Joss a true gent with a story or two to tell...it was such a different game then in every way.......believe he's still around but not seen him for a few years.such happy memories.

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27 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

For me no . And I genuinely hope they go bust . 

I hate them with a passion but wouldn't wish any club to go bust, even the gas.

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31 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

I haven't put this in the dustbin thread, as the question might become lost amongst the junk and nuggets of comedy.  I've been thinking about the prospect of Rovers -as unlikely as it sounds - being promoted to the Championship some time in the near future and being run in a more professional manner.  I'm not interested in the details of how they could win promotion, but more about how we would feel (if indeed we were still in the Championship) and what the footballing landscape of the City would look like.  On one hand, we'd have the excitement and tension of the league Derby, but we'd have to rub shoulders again with the Gas heads.

Would the prospect of Rovers being an improved club, run more efficiently, improve the footballing status of Bristol and help us advance even further?  If this was to happen, would it be a good thing?  I do look at the shambles of Rovers and feel they tarnish the name of the City I love dearly.  It would be interesting if they became a soundly run football club, improved or moved to a new stadium, and whilst not being able to challenge our position as the alpha club in the region, at least become something other than a constant figure of fun.

Thoughts?

And don't worry, this is purely hypothetical!

If this thread does find itself dumped in with the rubbish, then so be it.

I don't even get why we still sing songs about them. Cardiff are our main local rivals and have been for some time. I can't name you one current Rovers player. That's how little I care about them. 2001 is a long time. 

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No, I want them to fail miserably and permanently.  Having them distract us won't help, having the small number of future fans they might pick up wear red instead will help a little.  Plus I love listening to them cry.

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13 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

I hate them with a passion but wouldn't wish any club to go bust, even the gas.

I would usually agree but they routinely call us “82”. They found a club being in monetary trouble so hilarious that they’ve gone on about it for 26 years now.

**** ‘em, they found our troubles funny, I will laugh my ass off if they vanish.

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The longer they're leagues below us the better long-term prospects are for the club as more kids will simply want to watch the better team! Same as Stoke v Port Vale and Forest v Notts County.  

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I'd really miss the cheap laughs from the rolling comedy act that is Bristol Rovers, so for me it's a no. I don't want them to improve.

That said, it would be nice if they could spend a load of money on the team and still end up going backwards. Another false dawn would be most welcome.

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It's all about what we do. If we can kick on and become a plausible top flight team, and retain that status, in the way that Burnley have done in recent years, then we really won't have to concern ourselves with what Rovers do.

Personally, not living in Bristol, I don't give two hoots about them...other than as comedy gold on occasion. We need to leave them behind...a good start would be dropping the songs about them...after one last blast at Holloway on Saturday... 

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12 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

It's all about what we do. If we can kick on and become a plausible top flight team, and retain that status, in the way that Burnley have done in recent years, then we really won't have to concern ourselves with what Rovers do.

Personally, not living in Bristol, I don't give two hoots about them...other than as comedy gold on occasion. We need to leave them behind...a good start would be dropping the songs about them...after one last blast at Holloway on Saturday... 

Agreed, what would most piss them off would be if we never sung about them ever again!

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Not really. Better now with us comfortably superior. 

Then again the Bristol Derby is one of the best in the country for passion, needle and genuine dislike. The atmospheres are always fantastic. For that alone I wouldn’t mind playing them more regularly - perhaps in the cup!

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No they can **** off, I used to have a bit of respect for them years a go as they supported a local team etc and not plastic TV fans but now I think they have the worst bunch of fans in the league continually bigging themselves up best fans in the country, loyal and true, fantastic away following, everyone loves them. I have mates that support that shower of shite nice people until it comes to football, they are seriously deluded and any football fan that is happy losing 5-0 as long as the teds lose 6-0 has something wrong with them. Worst club and fans in the country and an embarrassment to the City of Bristol. 

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Definitely.

Someone's mentioned Liverpool / Everton and that's how I would like it to be in Bristol. City a top six premiership club and Rovers mid table perpetually snapping at our heels and making us up our game.

We've usually done better in the past when Rovers have been close to us for that precise reason.

If a Bristol City fan won £100m on the Euromillions and wanted to help City then IMO the best thing that they could do would be to buy Rovers off the current owners, who seem to be suffering a severe case of "buyer's regret", and genuinely start them coming for us.

Whilst their relegation to non-league was hilarious it was, for me, only so because it was always going to be temporary and as a result of catastrophic mismanagement which was going to be replaced.  If it had looked like the precursor for a slow lingering death as a club as is happening to Torquay then I would not have found it hilarious.

Despite the forum name I have always regarded Bristol as a two team city and hope that this will always be the case.

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NO. Reasons are too numerous. 

Biggest. They have held us back for years by taking more than their fair share of support from a relatively well off city which really only needs one club, aided and abetted by a biased local media, who have embellished their performances to a degree where people think they are comparable in success terms to BCFC.

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I don't think their success or (more usual) failure has any impact whatsoever on what we do.

Where were they when we reached the playoff final and were in the top flight?

Nowhere, as usual.

Aside from that, I'd like them to go bankrupt & cease to exist.

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Comparing ourselves to the other lot has been our problem IMHO and part of the reason we have been so mediocre for years. We've moved on.

Yes, it's fun to watch them trying to keep hold of some sort of rivalry and find something they are better at but there isn't anything. The banter can be fun as well but I don't want to play them any time soon and cup games apart, I don't think we will.

Do I care about them or want them up with us? Not remotely interested in anything they have or do, I just care about City and them being up with us would bring back comparisons we have hopefully left behind.

Answer to the OP, NO! 

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2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

For me no . And I genuinely hope they go bust . 

Cant believe someone has put your comment in the dustbin. Must be a sag. 

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I'd like to play them in the FA Cup if they can get past the early rounds, just so we could have another one of THOSE atmospheres.

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Sometimes things are just so hypothetical that they’re impossible to consider. 

Rovers are not going to get very far under the fake sheikh. I enjoy the comedy they give us, but I do miss the hatred of the Derby. 

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I don't want them defunct and owing millions. Just defunct. Dead, buried and forgotten. Never forget those bastards circling like vultures in 82 and their glee at our near demise. **** em.

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No thanks, I for one am enjoying them fester into obscurity. I truly am enjoying where their club is going. Not sure which I would like to happen first, their imminent relegation to the basement, or a well deserved administration. 

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In the words of Aden - No (don't ask me the question again), No (are you still here asking the same question?), No (right, i'll count to 3 then i'm going to lamp you..!).

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