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Ingrained in my memory of Leeds United, more than any other, are the long powerful drives from Peter Lorimer. Perhaps because my brother, at the time a misguided fan of Leeds, would incessantly blast a goal past me in the garden and prance around in celebration screaming 'and Lorimer with a screamer blasts another past the inept Jennings' because I had that iconic green jersey and long hair at aged eight. Or he might also scream 'Lorimer drives it past Maier in yet another LEGAL goal*. So the name Lorimer stuck. To be fair he did have a cracking shot on him. Over 526 appearances for the club he scored over 160 goals. Remarkably little footage of them on the internet which is a great shame but here is one..

If there is one thing worse than a smug Leeds fan its a self righteous pompous German. And that clip encompasses it rather nicely. You have to sympathise with Leeds, dirty or not, although what they did to the Parc de Princes in Paris at the end was not condonable regardless. As Allan Clarke remembers; It was 15 years after the 1975 European Cup final when the injustice of it all truly dawned on him. He flicked on the television and caught an interview with Franz Beckenbauer, reliving the night in Paris when Bayern Munich mugged Leeds United and Leeds smashed the Parc de Princes up.

The discussion with Beckenbauer turned eventually to his tackle on Clarke 34 minutes into the game; a penalty which should have been given but wasn’t. “He admitted straight up that it was a blatant foul,” Clarke says. “It was the first time I’d heard him talk about it and the jist of what he said was: ‘I brought him down, I took him out.’ I sat there thinking ‘what an absolute disgrace.’” Football’s a small world but Clarke has never seen or spoken to any of the Bayern players who featured that night, or to the referee, Michel Kitabdjian. “To be perfectly honest, I hope I never do,” he says.

Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-whites-still-smarting-from-euro-final-injustices-1-7281571

And that was before Lorimer's perfectly good strike. Ask any Leeds fan about that match, old enough to remember or know their history, and they will shake their head in disbelief of how they were robbed. It is in their DNA now; if it hurts a player that much there is no surprise it rankles the fans beyond normal. I don't like how fans seem to think they have a god given right to be in the top flight, certainly, but what i do get is that such injustices of that magnitude can affect people in subtle ways. I think Leeds fans somehow have that. 

The recently departed Jimmy Armfield, manager of Leeds at the time, said in an interview to the Yorkshire Evening Post in 2008 “I always felt we were robbed,” . Says it all really. 

Clarke continues; “To lift the European Cup back then you had to win your league first. There was none of this finish-fourth-and-qualify nonsense." How emphatically I agree with Clarke. 

“There was no room for error in the early stages either. From round one if you lost over two legs you were out. Good Night Vienna. “But that final against Bayern Munich must go down as the most one-sided in the history of the European Cup. How a team who played like we did could end up as the losing side I’ll never know. Well, I do know. We were cheated out of it.”

Beckenbauer would later admit that Bayern were “very, very lucky.” The Germans finally made the most of Kitabdjian’s help in the 71st minute when Franz Roth finished off a move involving Muller and Conny Torstensson. Muller killed the game by converting Jupp Kapellmann’s cross on 81 minutes, 60 seconds after Armfield sent on Eddie Gray in the hope of salvation.

Riots inside the stadium were in full swing by then with seats and other missiles thrown towards Maier’s net and short-lived pitch invasions. United were subsequently banned from European football for four years by UEFA, reduced to two years on appeal. Kitabdjian needed a police escort from the pitch at full-time, though Armfield’s players made no attempt to confront him. “I was over near our supporters when he went off,” Clarke says. “There was nothing we could do about it after the final whistle, just as there’s nothing we can do about it now. “But in my mind we were champions of Europe that night. I love that our fans sing about us being champions of Europe because it reminds everyone of what really went on and how shocking that final was. “It was brushed over afterwards, no apologies or anything. It could only happen to Leeds United. “If that had been Manchester United or Liverpool it would all have been different. “But Leeds – well, if it can happen it does happen.”  It hurts Clarke, you can see that!

That night in Paris, more than any I know, and there are other rather interesting injustices on Leeds we will not expand on here, keeps coming back to remind an older Leeds fan when they fail to score a goal at home to Millwall in the second tier or they spend a few wilderness years in the third tier. Fans hurt. We can relate to that although we have never experienced such highs and such, comparable, lows.

Leeds, I think, became dirtier after that match. Maybe those unsportsmanlike words from Beckenbauer baptised Norman Hunter to be the 'bite yer legs' champion. It certainly served City well in our old First Division days and maybe we need somebody reminiscent of that now but in midfield; you know that creative guy we have all been crying out for who also takes no prisoners. Or maybe Hunter is a breed no more. I like watching though..

One win in 11 against Leeds for City. We have to turn that around this afternoon. I hope all those fantastic City fans making the long and expensive trip north are rewarded. Let us get our promotion plans back on track before we get swallowed up by the chasing pack.

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1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

Ingrained in my memory of Leeds United, more than any other, are the long powerful drives from Peter Lorimer. Perhaps because my brother, at the time a misguided fan of Leeds, would incessantly blast a goal past me in the garden and prance around in celebration screaming 'and Lorimer with a screamer blasts another past the inept Jennings' because I had that iconic green jersey and long hair at aged eight. Or he might also scream 'Lorimer drives it past Maier in yet another LEGAL goal*. So the name Lorimer stuck. To be fair he did have a cracking shot on him. Over 526 appearances for the club he scored over 160 goals. Remarkably little footage of them on the internet which is a great shame but here is one..

If there is one thing worse than a smug Leeds fan its a self righteous pompous German. And that clip encompasses it rather nicely. You have to sympathise with Leeds, dirty or not, although what they did to the Parc de Princes in Paris at the end was not condonable regardless. As Allan Clarke remembers; It was 15 years after the 1975 European Cup final when the injustice of it all truly dawned on him. He flicked on the television and caught an interview with Franz Beckenbauer, reliving the night in Paris when Bayern Munich mugged Leeds United and Leeds smashed the Parc de Princes up.

The discussion with Beckenbauer turned eventually to his tackle on Clarke 34 minutes into the game; a penalty which should have been given but wasn’t. “He admitted straight up that it was a blatant foul,” Clarke says. “It was the first time I’d heard him talk about it and the jist of what he said was: ‘I brought him down, I took him out.’ I sat there thinking ‘what an absolute disgrace.’” Football’s a small world but Clarke has never seen or spoken to any of the Bayern players who featured that night, or to the referee, Michel Kitabdjian. “To be perfectly honest, I hope I never do,” he says.

Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-whites-still-smarting-from-euro-final-injustices-1-7281571

And that was before Lorimer's perfectly good strike. Ask any Leeds fan about that match, old enough to remember or know their history, and they will shake their head in disbelief of how they were robbed. It is in their DNA now; if it hurts a player that much there is no surprise it rankles the fans beyond normal. I don't like how fans seem to think they have a god given right to be in the top flight, certainly, but what i do get is that such injustices of that magnitude can affect people in subtle ways. I think Leeds fans somehow have that. 

The recently departed Jimmy Armfield, manager of Leeds at the time, said in an interview to the Yorkshire Evening Post in 2008 “I always felt we were robbed,” . Says it all really. 

Clarke continues; “To lift the European Cup back then you had to win your league first. There was none of this finish-fourth-and-qualify nonsense." How emphatically I agree with Clarke. 

“There was no room for error in the early stages either. From round one if you lost over two legs you were out. Good Night Vienna. “But that final against Bayern Munich must go down as the most one-sided in the history of the European Cup. How a team who played like we did could end up as the losing side I’ll never know. Well, I do know. We were cheated out of it.”

Beckenbauer would later admit that Bayern were “very, very lucky.” The Germans finally made the most of Kitabdjian’s help in the 71st minute when Franz Roth finished off a move involving Muller and Conny Torstensson. Muller killed the game by converting Jupp Kapellmann’s cross on 81 minutes, 60 seconds after Armfield sent on Eddie Gray in the hope of salvation.

Riots inside the stadium were in full swing by then with seats and other missiles thrown towards Maier’s net and short-lived pitch invasions. United were subsequently banned from European football for four years by UEFA, reduced to two years on appeal. Kitabdjian needed a police escort from the pitch at full-time, though Armfield’s players made no attempt to confront him. “I was over near our supporters when he went off,” Clarke says. “There was nothing we could do about it after the final whistle, just as there’s nothing we can do about it now. “But in my mind we were champions of Europe that night. I love that our fans sing about us being champions of Europe because it reminds everyone of what really went on and how shocking that final was. “It was brushed over afterwards, no apologies or anything. It could only happen to Leeds United. “If that had been Manchester United or Liverpool it would all have been different. “But Leeds – well, if it can happen it does happen.”  It hurts Clarke, you can see that!

That night in Paris, more than any I know, and there are other rather interesting injustices on Leeds we will not expand on here, keeps coming back to remind an older Leeds fan when they fail to score a goal at home to Millwall in the second tier or they spend a few wilderness years in the third tier. Fans hurt. We can relate to that although we have never experienced such highs and such, comparable, lows.

Leeds, I think, became dirtier after that match. Maybe those unsportsmanlike words from Beckenbauer baptised Norman Hunter to be the 'bite yer legs' champion. It certainly served City well in our old First Division days and maybe we need somebody reminiscent of that now but in midfield; you know that creative guy we have all been crying out for who also takes no prisoners. Or maybe Hunter is a breed no more. I like watching though..

One win in 11 against Leeds for City. We have to turn that around this afternoon. I hope all those fantastic City fans making the long and expensive trip north are rewarded. Let us get our promotion plans back on track before we get swallowed up by the chasing pack.

Of the things I learned from that Leeds team's hardships was perseverance.

It took many near misses before they achieved honours .

Sadly Revie was  not a honourable man and there were accusations of bungs to throw matches .

 

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1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

My mother’s family are from Leeds. 

Ive never been there. 

They are a bogey team for us - we haven’t won there since the 1920s according to the BBC (can’t be arsed to google it) so we need to break the hoodoo. 

Usual guff from the media - we won away at Leeds in 1978 and 1979 in the league and also there was that infamous 1974 FA Cup triumph up there....why can’t media outlets ever seem to get their facts right?! It ain’t difficult in this day and age...

EDIT: you misled me @bcfcredandwhite - just checked, the BBC said we haven’t won away at Leeds in the second tier since the 1920s...which is correct. Bit of a selective stat though!

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3 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Ingrained in my memory of Leeds United, more than any other, are the long powerful drives from Peter Lorimer. Perhaps because my brother, at the time a misguided fan of Leeds, would incessantly blast a goal past me in the garden and prance around in celebration screaming 'and Lorimer with a screamer blasts another past the inept Jennings' because I had that iconic green jersey and long hair at aged eight. Or he might also scream 'Lorimer drives it past Maier in yet another LEGAL goal*. So the name Lorimer stuck. To be fair he did have a cracking shot on him. Over 526 appearances for the club he scored over 160 goals. Remarkably little footage of them on the internet which is a great shame but here is one..

If there is one thing worse than a smug Leeds fan its a self righteous pompous German. And that clip encompasses it rather nicely. You have to sympathise with Leeds, dirty or not, although what they did to the Parc de Princes in Paris at the end was not condonable regardless. As Allan Clarke remembers; It was 15 years after the 1975 European Cup final when the injustice of it all truly dawned on him. He flicked on the television and caught an interview with Franz Beckenbauer, reliving the night in Paris when Bayern Munich mugged Leeds United and Leeds smashed the Parc de Princes up.

The discussion with Beckenbauer turned eventually to his tackle on Clarke 34 minutes into the game; a penalty which should have been given but wasn’t. “He admitted straight up that it was a blatant foul,” Clarke says. “It was the first time I’d heard him talk about it and the jist of what he said was: ‘I brought him down, I took him out.’ I sat there thinking ‘what an absolute disgrace.’” Football’s a small world but Clarke has never seen or spoken to any of the Bayern players who featured that night, or to the referee, Michel Kitabdjian. “To be perfectly honest, I hope I never do,” he says.

Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-whites-still-smarting-from-euro-final-injustices-1-7281571

And that was before Lorimer's perfectly good strike. Ask any Leeds fan about that match, old enough to remember or know their history, and they will shake their head in disbelief of how they were robbed. It is in their DNA now; if it hurts a player that much there is no surprise it rankles the fans beyond normal. I don't like how fans seem to think they have a god given right to be in the top flight, certainly, but what i do get is that such injustices of that magnitude can affect people in subtle ways. I think Leeds fans somehow have that. 

The recently departed Jimmy Armfield, manager of Leeds at the time, said in an interview to the Yorkshire Evening Post in 2008 “I always felt we were robbed,” . Says it all really. 

Clarke continues; “To lift the European Cup back then you had to win your league first. There was none of this finish-fourth-and-qualify nonsense." How emphatically I agree with Clarke. 

“There was no room for error in the early stages either. From round one if you lost over two legs you were out. Good Night Vienna. “But that final against Bayern Munich must go down as the most one-sided in the history of the European Cup. How a team who played like we did could end up as the losing side I’ll never know. Well, I do know. We were cheated out of it.”

Beckenbauer would later admit that Bayern were “very, very lucky.” The Germans finally made the most of Kitabdjian’s help in the 71st minute when Franz Roth finished off a move involving Muller and Conny Torstensson. Muller killed the game by converting Jupp Kapellmann’s cross on 81 minutes, 60 seconds after Armfield sent on Eddie Gray in the hope of salvation.

Riots inside the stadium were in full swing by then with seats and other missiles thrown towards Maier’s net and short-lived pitch invasions. United were subsequently banned from European football for four years by UEFA, reduced to two years on appeal. Kitabdjian needed a police escort from the pitch at full-time, though Armfield’s players made no attempt to confront him. “I was over near our supporters when he went off,” Clarke says. “There was nothing we could do about it after the final whistle, just as there’s nothing we can do about it now. “But in my mind we were champions of Europe that night. I love that our fans sing about us being champions of Europe because it reminds everyone of what really went on and how shocking that final was. “It was brushed over afterwards, no apologies or anything. It could only happen to Leeds United. “If that had been Manchester United or Liverpool it would all have been different. “But Leeds – well, if it can happen it does happen.”  It hurts Clarke, you can see that!

That night in Paris, more than any I know, and there are other rather interesting injustices on Leeds we will not expand on here, keeps coming back to remind an older Leeds fan when they fail to score a goal at home to Millwall in the second tier or they spend a few wilderness years in the third tier. Fans hurt. We can relate to that although we have never experienced such highs and such, comparable, lows.

Leeds, I think, became dirtier after that match. Maybe those unsportsmanlike words from Beckenbauer baptised Norman Hunter to be the 'bite yer legs' champion. It certainly served City well in our old First Division days and maybe we need somebody reminiscent of that now but in midfield; you know that creative guy we have all been crying out for who also takes no prisoners. Or maybe Hunter is a breed no more. I like watching though..

One win in 11 against Leeds for City. We have to turn that around this afternoon. I hope all those fantastic City fans making the long and expensive trip north are rewarded. Let us get our promotion plans back on track before we get swallowed up by the chasing pack.

Condensed Version

Leeds:

Norman Hunter rocks

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Of the things I learned from that Leeds team's hardships was perseverance.

It took many near misses before they achieved honours .

Sadly Revie was  not a honourable man and there were accusations of bungs to throw matches .

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/mar/14/sunday-telegraph-daily-mirror

https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwiBxo7O3K_ZAhUnKcAKHbPGBp0QFjACegQIDhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgameofthepeople.com%2F2015%2F03%2F04%2Fwe-are-the-champions-1973-74-leeds-united%2Famp%2F&usg=AOvVaw1ngPqnrFmpaCSYRAyBeNSg

Rubbish Patrick Lamper ? 

Know your subject.

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1 minute ago, reddogkev said:

What a game today - the chance to bury any lingering Leeds play offs hopes and put ourselves level on points with Fulham - thus restoring a bit of gap between us and Preston.

I really fancy a 2-0 City win today and back the boys to deliver.

COME ON YOU REDSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

Did you go to the Sunderland game Kev?

I need my confidence restored after that capitulation before I 'back the boys to deliver.'

A tactically sound team, performance and substitutions, a decent ref., and luck not being against us, then we're more than capable.

I look at this match and think it could easily be 3-0 either way.

Much depends on LJ getting his selection and tactics right, who scores the first goal, and whether a really fit and determined City team take the pitch.

I really worry for us today if LJ gets things wrong, but if he doesn't, and If we're anywhere near our best, we can beat anybody.

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25 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Wanted to get there early so I did not get lost and - whilst I admittedly have not quite reached the stadium yet - it appears from where I am right now that I have 90 minutes to kill in a barren wasteland. What is there to do near Elland Road?

There's a gert  big McDonald's  opposite and---------------------that's it!☺

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Usual guff from the media - we won away at Leeds in 1978 and 1979 in the league and also there was that infamous 1974 FA Cup triumph up there....why can’t media outlets ever seem to get their facts right?! It ain’t difficult in this day and age...

EDIT: you misled me @bcfcredandwhite - just checked, the BBC said we haven’t won away at Leeds in the second tier since the 1920s...which is correct. Bit of a selective stat though!

Unintentional mate - I hadn’t read the BBC article properly. 

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